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Old 07-31-08, 05:56 AM
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MLB Thursday July 31, 2008 [Update - trade deadline talk]

2008 American League - Standings
EASTWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRKL10DIVWCPOFF
Tampa Bay6344.589-40-1623-28474433+41Won 26-443.420.664.1
Boston6148.560337-1624-32538456+82Lost 34-633.822.756.5
NY Yankees5948.551434-2425-24510459+51Won 17-320.316.837.0
Toronto5454.5009.530-2324-31457425+32Lost 26-42.23.45.6
Baltimore5156.4771229-2322-33517538-21Lost 14-60.20.50.7
CENTRALWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRKL10DIVWCPOFF
Chicago Sox6046.566-35-1625-30530450+80Won 15-558.98.867.7
Minnesota5948.5511.536-2023-28526500+26Lost 14-632.212.044.3
Detroit5552.5145.529-2226-30546513+33Won 27-38.65.013.6
Kansas City5059.45911.524-2926-30454528-74Won 45-50.10.10.1
Cleveland4660.4341428-2618-344944940Lost 24-60.10.10.2
WESTWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRKL10DIVWCPOFF
LA Angels6740.626-31-2136-19489439+50Won 38-295.11.296.3
Texas5652.51911.527-2229-30605636-31Won 26-42.84.16.9
Oakland5354.4951432-2921-25449408+41Lost 32-82.24.87.0
Seattle4067.3742720-3220-35427502-75Lost 22-80.00.00.0
2008 National League - Standings
EASTWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRKL10DIVWCPOFF
Philadelphia5849.542-29-2429-25538465+73Won 45-543.511.254.7
NY Mets5850.537.532-2026-30532486+46Lost 16-444.89.954.7
Florida5751.5281.531-2426-27514545-31Won 15-510.34.014.3
Atlanta4958.458931-2318-35484471+13Lost 53-71.30.62.0
Washington3869.3552020-3218-37394516-122Lost 82-80.00.00.0
CENTRALWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRKL10DIVWCPOFF
Chicago Cubs6444.593-39-1425-30569446+123Won 46-475.614.890.4
Milwaukee6048.556432-2228-26501484+17Lost 45-514.631.946.4
St. Louis6149.555430-2531-24527494+33Won 34-69.724.734.4
Cincinnati5158.46813.530-2521-33476542-66Won 13-70.10.20.3
Houston5057.46713.526-2624-31466522-56Lost 14-60.10.10.1
Pittsburgh5058.4631432-2618-32533602-69Lost 16-40.10.20.2
WESTWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRKL10DIVWCPOFF
Arizona5552.514-30-2225-30489462+27Won 27-346.01.047.0
LA Dodgers5453.505130-2524-28449429+20Won 27-348.31.249.5
Colorado4960.450731-2218-38510557-47Won 17-35.40.15.5
San Francisco4463.4111120-3424-29419505-86Lost 24-60.30.10.3
San Diego4267.3851424-3218-35414524-110Lost 25-50.10.00.1
Glossary
W: Wins, L: Losses, PCT: Winning percentage, GB: Games back, HOME: Home record, ROAD: Road record, RS: Runs scored, RA: Runs allowed, DIFF: Run differential, STRK: Current streak, L10: Last 10 games , DIV: % chance of winning the Division, WC: % chance of winning the Wild Card, POFF: % chance of making the Playoffs
Old 07-31-08, 05:57 AM
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2008 American League - Wild Card Standings
AMERICANWLPctGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRKL10DIVWCPOFF
Boston6148.560-37-1624-32538456+82Lost 34-633.822.756.5
NY Yankees5948.551134-2425-24510459+51Won 17-320.316.837.0
Minnesota5948.551136-2023-28526500+26Lost 14-632.212.044.3
Texas5652.5194.527-2229-30605636-31Won 26-42.84.16.9
Detroit5552.514529-2226-30546513+33Won 27-38.65.013.6
Toronto5454.5006.530-2324-31457425+32Lost 26-42.23.45.6
Oakland5354.495732-2921-25449408+41Lost 32-82.24.87.0
Baltimore5156.477929-2322-33517538-21Lost 14-60.20.50.7
Kansas City5059.4591124-2926-30454528-74Won 45-50.10.10.1
Cleveland4660.43413.528-2618-344944940Lost 24-60.10.10.2
Seattle4067.3742020-3220-35427502-75Lost 22-80.00.00.0
2008 National League - Wild Card Standings
NATIONALWLPctGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRKL10DIVWCPOFF
Milwaukee6048.556-32-2228-26501484+17Lost 45-514.631.946.4
St. Louis6149.555-30-2531-24527494+33Won 34-69.724.734.4
NY Mets5850.537232-2026-30532486+46Lost 16-444.89.954.7
Florida5751.528331-2426-27514545-31Won 15-510.34.014.3
LA Dodgers5453.5055.530-2524-28449429+20Won 27-348.31.249.5
Cincinnati5158.4689.530-2521-33476542-66Won 13-70.10.20.3
Houston5057.4679.526-2624-31466522-56Lost 14-60.10.10.1
Pittsburgh5058.4631032-2618-32533602-69Lost 16-40.10.20.2
Atlanta4958.45810.531-2318-35484471+13Lost 53-71.30.62.0
Colorado4960.45011.531-2218-38510557-47Won 17-35.40.15.5
San Francisco4463.41115.520-3424-29419505-86Lost 24-60.30.10.3
San Diego4267.38518.524-3218-35414524-110Lost 25-50.10.00.1
Washington3869.35521.520-3218-37394516-122Lost 82-80.00.00.0
Glossary
*: Division Leader (tied)W: Wins, L: Losses, PCT: Winning percentage, GB: Games back, HOME: Home record, ROAD: Road record, RS: Runs scored, RA: Runs allowed, DIFF: Run differential, STRK: Current streak, L10: Last 10 games , DIV: % chance of winning the Division, WC: % chance of winning the Wild Card, POFF: % chance of making the Playoffs
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Wednesday, July 30, 2008
RESULTWINLOSSSAVEATT.
Tampa Bay 3, at Toronto 2Jackson (7-7) Richmond (0-1) Percival (23) 40,322
at NY Yankees 13, Baltimore 3Chamberlain (4-3) Sarfate (4-2) 54,296
Kansas City 4, at Oakland 3Ramirez (2-1) Street (2-4) Soria (30) 26,272
St. Louis 7, at Atlanta 2Thompson (4-2) Jurrjens (10-6) Villone (1) 35,257
LA Angels 9, at Boston 2Saunders (14-5) Beckett (9-8) 38,042
Detroit 14, at Cleveland 12Fossum (2-0) Rincon (2-3) 26,596
Colorado 7, at Pittsburgh 4Cook (14-6) Duke (4-9) Fuentes (18) 16,587
Philadelphia 8, at Washington 5Moyer (10-6) Redding (7-6) Lidge (26) 31,798
at Florida 7, NY Mets 5Johnson (1-0) Pelfrey (9-7) Gregg (23) 25,902
Chicago Cubs 7, at Milwaukee 2Dempster (12-4) Parra (9-4) 44,871
at Texas 4, Seattle 3Guardado (2-2) Rhodes (2-1) Wilson (24) 23,894
Cincinnati 9, at Houston 5Volquez (13-4) Rodriguez (6-4) 30,272
Chicago Sox 8, at Minnesota 3Floyd (11-6) Hernandez (10-8) 42,705
Arizona 7, at San Diego 3Haren (11-5) Baek (3-5) 31,755
at LA Dodgers 4, San Francisco 0Billingsley (11-9) Sanchez (8-7) 41,282

Thursday, July 31, 2008
TEAMSTIME (ET)NAT TVXM RADIORESOURCESPITCHERS
Detroit at Cleveland12:05 PM XM 181Tickets | TravelVerlander vs Carmona
Chicago Cubs at Milwaukee2:05 PM XM 188Tickets | TravelHarden vs Bush
St. Louis at Atlanta7:00 PM XM 186Tickets | TravelPineiro vs Hampton
LA Angels at NY Yankees7:05 PM XM 176Tickets | TravelGarland vs Pettitte
Philadelphia at Washington7:10 PM XM 184Tickets | TravelKendrick vs Lannan
Colorado at Florida7:10 PM XM 183Tickets | TravelDe La Rosa vs Sanchez
Seattle at Texas8:05 PM XM 178Tickets | TravelDickey vs Harrison
Chicago Sox at Minnesota8:10 PM XM 180Tickets | TravelDanks vs Baker
Arizona at LA Dodgers10:10 PM  Tickets | TravelWebb vs Lowe
Old 07-31-08, 05:59 AM
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At least the Red Sox can't lose today
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Originally Posted by huh?
At least the Red Sox can't lose today
The way it seems to be going, I'm thinking today is going to bring a big loss.


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Bottom line, whatever player the Sox plug in, in LF he will not be as good a hitter as Manny.

I don't know how much the Manny drama weighs into the whole equation (the lack of it making the Sox THAT much better?), but looking at it objectively, the bloom is off the rose with Boston this season. I just have a feeling.

Yanks fans and Red Sox fans might not want to hear this, but I think the Rays have the best chance to win the division. They have the least on the field/clubhouse problems. It's a razor thin edge in my mind, but it's there.
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Got this from the Cheapassgamer forum:

The Palm Beach Post says a tentative agreement has been reached, despite Gammons' comments. Here's the deal:

Marlins get: Manny Ramirez, cash, prospect from Red Sox
Red Sox get: Jason Bay, John Grabow
Pirates get: Ryan Tucker, Jeremy Hermida, one prospect from Red Sox, perhaps another prospect from Marlins
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Griffey is tentatively going to the White Sox

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8...await-approval
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Damn it. I wanted Bay to the Braves in the offseason.
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high hopes for the Mets this year
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damn griffey a sock
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Originally Posted by VinVega
Bottom line, whatever player the Sox plug in, in LF he will not be as good a hitter as Manny.

Agreed. Sox fans can sugarcoat it all they want and Jason Bay is indeed a good player but its going to be hard to replace Manny. Bay's numbers might be similar but Bay has never had a clutch at bat in his career. The Sox wouldn't have come close to sniffing a World Series without Manny, and while he's up there in age he's still on pace to have a .300+, 30+, 120+ season. The Red Sox will probably still make the playoffs, but it won't be until October when they start missing Manny.
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Originally Posted by Goat3001
Agreed. Sox fans can sugarcoat it all they want and Jason Bay is indeed a good player but its going to be hard to replace Manny. Bay's numbers might be similar but Bay has never had a clutch at bat in his career. The Sox wouldn't have come close to sniffing a World Series without Manny, and while he's up there in age he's still on pace to have a .300+, 30+, 120+ season. The Red Sox will probably still make the playoffs, but it won't be until October when they start missing Manny.
It's true, though the general pulse is that Sox fans aren't sugarcoating it. As I said yesterday, you can say Manny loafs or whatever, and yes he's a prick, and who knows if any of the Gammons (hit) piece from a couple of days ago is true about him begging out against good pitchers as of late. But you know what you're getting, and it's a raker. He just hits.

The proposed deal (especially since Grabow seems to be heading to FL, not Boston, in the actual possible trade) doesn't make Boston better. At best, it makes them equal to their struggling selves, and probably makes them worse this year. And when other teams are getting better at the deadline, it's even tougher to watch.
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Gammons/Manny is like the opposite of Peter King/Brett Favre.
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Originally Posted by chrisih8u
Gammons/Manny is like the opposite of Peter King/Brett Favre.
Good point.

Did anyone else see the Baseball Tonight prior to the Cubs/Brewers game last night? It looked like Gammons wanted to kill Steve Phillips for his position that the Sox would be nuts to trade Manny. Gammons is obviously too close to the situation, he wasn't even understanding Phillips' argument and there was a really weird conversation where Gammons said that Phillips was blaming Francona for the whole ordeal. That was as legit pissed off as I've ever seen Gammons. I'm not a Phillips fan, but he was making a reasonable argument and Gammons wasn't having any of it.
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Marlins send D. Uggla to the Braves for Kelly Johnson and Jeff Francoeur
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Thats an imperative sentence not a declaratory sentence.
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Originally Posted by BravesMG
Good point.

Did anyone else see the Baseball Tonight prior to the Cubs/Brewers game last night? It looked like Gammons wanted to kill Steve Phillips for his position that the Sox would be nuts to trade Manny. Gammons is obviously too close to the situation, he wasn't even understanding Phillips' argument and there was a really weird conversation where Gammons said that Phillips was blaming Francona for the whole ordeal. That was as legit pissed off as I've ever seen Gammons. I'm not a Phillips fan, but he was making a reasonable argument and Gammons wasn't having any of it.
Your illustration remined me of a conversation I had with a friend while watching the Brewers/Cubs game last night. Dempster came up to the plate with 1 out and a guy on 2nd and the play-by-play guy said "Let's see if he's up there to bunt." I thought there's no way he's bunting with 1 out to move the guy over to 3rd. Then I wondered if many times analysts hear their partner make some off-base statement and have to bite their tongue so they don't scream, "You idiot!"
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Originally Posted by BravesMG
Good point.

Did anyone else see the Baseball Tonight prior to the Cubs/Brewers game last night? It looked like Gammons wanted to kill Steve Phillips for his position that the Sox would be nuts to trade Manny. Gammons is obviously too close to the situation, he wasn't even understanding Phillips' argument and there was a really weird conversation where Gammons said that Phillips was blaming Francona for the whole ordeal. That was as legit pissed off as I've ever seen Gammons. I'm not a Phillips fan, but he was making a reasonable argument and Gammons wasn't having any of it.
It would so pain me to agree with Phillips or even to see his point of view, so I'm glad I missed it. But Gammons is obviously too personally invested, and I don't know if it's just because he's a fan or because he's close to the FO.

And chris -
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If the Manny trade doesn't occur, I imagine the Red Sox will simply decline their $20m option on him for 2009. The question then is whether Matt Holliday would like to play in front of the Green Monster next year?
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If the Manny trade doesn't occur, I imagine the Red Sox will simply decline their $20m option on him for 2009. The question then is whether Matt Holliday would like to play in front of the Green Monster next year?
I wonder how much Manny can actually get on the market. I know he thinks it's more than $20 million.
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Originally Posted by BravesMG
Good point.

Did anyone else see the Baseball Tonight prior to the Cubs/Brewers game last night? It looked like Gammons wanted to kill Steve Phillips for his position that the Sox would be nuts to trade Manny. Gammons is obviously too close to the situation, he wasn't even understanding Phillips' argument and there was a really weird conversation where Gammons said that Phillips was blaming Francona for the whole ordeal. That was as legit pissed off as I've ever seen Gammons. I'm not a Phillips fan, but he was making a reasonable argument and Gammons wasn't having any of it.
I was in shock when Gammons went at him, as Phillips was making a legit point. Most great players are divas, Terrell Owens, Dennis Rodman, Michael Irvin, Manny Ramirez, A-Rod, and you have to put up with their bullshit, cause they are so talented, and if you want a group of choir-boys, you can sit home in October.
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^I think the market looks good for Manny despite everything that is going on. The two teams that would go for him hard and have the money are the Mets and Phillies. When you have division rivals going after the same player you're just asking for one of them to spend too much. I wouldn't be surprised if they give him his $100 million or close to it. Of course this is assuming that wherever Manny plays for the rest of the season he produces.
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Originally Posted by Goat3001
^I think the market looks good for Manny despite everything that is going on. The two teams that would go for him hard and have the money are the Mets and Phillies. When you have division rivals going after the same player you're just asking for one of them to spend too much. I wouldn't be surprised if they give him his $100 million or close to it. Of course this is assuming that wherever Manny plays for the rest of the season he produces.
Don't forget that the Braves are in the market for a power hitting OF and have $50 million to spend.

edit: but I don't think they're that big on Manny.
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This is just begging for a "Photoshop This" sports edition thread.


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