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Old 12-11-07, 09:09 PM
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The Mitchell Report -- Coming Soon [Update - Congressional testimony]

I figured this deserved its own thread away from the MLB offseason discussion:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3150733

According to ESPN, the soon to be infamous Mitchell Report on steroid use in the MLB is currently being reviewed by Bud Selig and should be made public by Thursday. There are about 60-80 names in the report.

I wanted to start discussion on this as I'm sure we all have our views on it. I know for sure we are all curious as to the names in the report. But is this good for baseball that we are finally picking out the cheaters and punishing them? Bad for baseball since we're exposing players and showing the world how dirty the game really is?

Should the report w/ names included even be released? Should the MLB just forget the past and focus on keeping the future clean?

Or should the MLB release all names and make examples out of the guilty? If so, what should the punishment be?

I'm curious to hear opinions before the names are released. In case anyone decides to change their minds once they see their favorite player on the list.
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60-80?
sounds like he missed about 600-700
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No problems here with the report being released. I don't care about names being named.
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We should have a Mitchell Report pool, kinda like a dead pool.

You get to choose from any all-star in the last 15 years and you get to pick 10 of them. Each correct name that shows in the Mitchell Report is worth (current year - year of last all-star appearance) points.
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I'll start. Barry Bonds.
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i think you missed the point of his game, or at least the scoring system
chosing people that are still making the all star team, isnt going to net you any/many points
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Old 12-12-07, 06:17 AM
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The big question will be if any Red Sox players are named, considering Mitchell works for the Red Sox. Selig should NEVER have allowed this to happen.
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I am absolutely against this. This will ruin innocent players careers. In addition to the known offenders like Canseco, Giambi, Segui, there will be names of guys put in the report based on interviews, conjecture and spite, without any real hard evidence. Unless there is a blood test backing up these claims, or some other kind of reliable evidence, this report isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

This whole thing was just a Barry Bonds witch hunt in the first place.
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you really think there are innocent players?

btw.. baseball was more fun to watch when they were looking the other way
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Originally Posted by twikoff
you really think there are innocent players?
I'd like to think that not every player on baseball was juiced. But then again, if they were, it was a level playing field.
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Originally Posted by twikoff
60-80?
sounds like he missed about 600-700
No kidding, maybe it's 60-80 during the offseason
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Originally Posted by Flashback
No kidding, maybe it's 60-80 during the offseason
Yeah, I heard on ESPN this morning that there was something like 5-7% (100 guys) who tested positive the first year they tested (when there was no penalty). Apparently those results weren't available to Mitchell.

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Originally Posted by twikoff
you really think there are innocent players?

btw.. baseball was more fun to watch when they were looking the other way



I have no idea what the true number is, but I do honestly believe that only the most ardent and staunch Bonds supporters think it is 700 players.

If I had to guess, I would likely put the number of abusers at between 10 and 20%, though closer to the lower end of the scale.
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Here's the question: when will they release the report online on HTML, Microsoft Word .doc, WordPerfect .wp, or Adobe Acrobat .pdf format? I wouldn't be surprised if they release the report at around 1800 hours EST (1500 hours PST) to conincide with the 1800 hours ESPN SportsCenter broadcast.
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Originally Posted by starman9000
Yeah, I heard on ESPN this morning that there was something like 5-7% (100 guys) who tested positive the first year they tested (when there was no penalty). Apparently those results weren't available to Mitchell.

Mitchell!!

well, by the time he removed the redsox players from the list, it may get it down to 60-80
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Originally Posted by Pharoh
I have no idea what the true number is, but I do honestly believe that only the most ardent and staunch Bonds supporters think it is 700 players.

If I had to guess, I would likely put the number of abusers at between 10 and 20%, though closer to the lower end of the scale.
i think instead of 60-80 players
60-80% is more realistic.. has nothing to do with bonds, but with the game as a whole.
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I think with the 60-80 named we'll only care about 5-10 names, at most. Mitchell not only worked for the Red Sox but also got information from a former Mets clubhouse guy and Jason Giambi. I'm sure there were others but those are the most important names.

Personally, I feel the report shouldn't be released. You can't suspend any of the current players because they didn't fail any tests. You can't do anything about the former players since they don't play anymore. So whats the point?

Then again I can't wait to hear the names.
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Originally Posted by Goat3001
Then again I can't wait to hear the names.


THATS the point
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I'll make a short list.

Brian Roberts
Kaz Matsui
Miguel Tejeda
Steve Finley
Brady Anderson
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Originally Posted by acubfaninmd
I'll make a short list.

Brian Roberts
Kaz Matsui
Miguel Tejeda
What does their height have to do with the Mitchell report...

Seriously, I'm anxious to see the names released.
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Originally Posted by Goat3001
I think with the 60-80 named we'll only care about 5-10 names, at most.
Hell, we'll probably only recognize 5 names.

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Originally Posted by twikoff
i think instead of 60-80 players
60-80% is more realistic.. has nothing to do with bonds, but with the game as a whole.
This is the WWF / WWE.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was 30-40% though.

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Originally Posted by Pharoh
I have no idea what the true number is, but I do honestly believe that only the most ardent and staunch Bonds supporters think it is 700 players.

If I had to guess, I would likely put the number of abusers at between 10 and 20%, though closer to the lower end of the scale.
We're all guessing. I wouldn't be surprised by 700 (and I am not an "ardent and staunch Bonds supporter" though something tells me you are the exact opposite), but I wouldn't be surprised by 10% either. What do you base your notions on?
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We're all guessing. I wouldn't be surprised by 700 (and I am not an "ardent and staunch Bonds supporter" though something tells me you are the exact opposite), but I wouldn't be surprised by 10% either. What do you base your notions on?


Nope, I couldn't care less about Bonds and his 'alleged' drug usage. (I don't have a problem with steroids being used by anybody).

I base my beliefs on two things. One, the willingness of people in general to use illegal substances, to inject or ingest 'substances' into their bodies. Not that many people are that willing to do so.

Secondly, that type of number would make baseball dwarf all other competitive sports, something I simply don't see by using my eyes and looking at the players and that does not pass the smell test. Hell, I don't even think that US Track and Field is anywhere near that percentage.
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Originally Posted by Pharoh
Nope, I couldn't care less about Bonds and his 'alleged' drug usage. (I don't have a problem with steroids being used by anybody).

I base my beliefs on two things. One, the willingness of people in general to use illegal substances, to inject or ingest 'substances' into their bodies. Not that many people are that willing to do so.

Secondly, that type of number would make baseball dwarf all other competitive sports, something I simply don't see by using my eyes and looking at the players and that does not pass the smell test. Hell, I don't even think that US Track and Field is anywhere near that percentage.
except with baseball there has been no testing, no fear of getting caught, until quite recently. And there is a ton of money involved. I do agree with some of what you say, I wouldn't be shocked by 700 but I suspect a lower #. But I suspect a higher number than 10%, given the dollars and given the lack of enforcement/testing.
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