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Old 08-27-07, 04:29 PM
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WWECW, TNA & ROH 8/27-9/2 or "How to completely bury talent"

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Due to the US Open airing on the USA network, Raw will air on the Sci-Fi network tonight at its usual time of 9pm eastern.



Roll Call of Champions:

WWE: Raw
WWE Champion - John Cena: 3rd title reign, defeated Edge at Unforgiven on Sept 17, 2006 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Last PPV defense - defeated Randy Orton at the SummerSlam (8/26/07)


Intercontinental Champion - Umaga: 2nd title reign, defeated Santino Marella at Raw on July 2, 2007 in Dalas, TX. Last PPV defense - defeated Mr. Kennedy & Carlito in a 3-way match at the SummerSlam (8/26/07)


Women's Champion - Candice Michelle: 1st title reign, defeated Melina at Vengeance on June 24, 2007 in Houston, TX. Last PPV defense - defeated Melina at the Great American Bash (7/22/07)


World Tag Team Champions: Lace Cade & Trevor Murdoch: 2nd title reign, defeated Matt & Jeff Hardy on June 4, 2007 in Tampa, FL. Last PPV defense - defeated Matt & Jeff Hardy at Vengeance (6/24/07)


WWE: ECW
World Champion - John Morrison: 1st title reign, substituted for Chris Benoit and defeated CM Punk in tournament final at Vengeance on June 24, 2007 in Houston, TX. Last PPV defense - defeated CM Punk at the SummerSlam (8/26/07)



WWE: Smackdown
World Heavyweight Champion - Great Khali: 1st title reign, won a battle royal to claim vacated championship on July 17, 2007 (aired on July 20, 2007) in Laredo, TX. Last PPV defense - lost to Batista by DQ at the SummerSlam (8/26/07)


United States Champion - MVP: 1st title reign, defeated Chris Benoit on May 20, 2007 in St. Louis, MO. Last PPV defense - defeated Matt Hardy at the Great American Bash (7/22/07)


Cruiserweight Champion: Hornswaggle: 1st title reign, won a Cruiserweight Challenge match featuring Chavo Guerrero (former champ), Jimmy Wang Yang, Jamie Noble, Funaki and Shannon Moore on July 22, 2007 in San Jose, CA. Last PPV defense - no PPV defenses yet. Belt last defended at the Great American Bash (7/22/07)


WWE Tag Team Champions: Deuce & Domino: 1st title reign, defeated Paul London & Brian Kendrick at Raw on April 17, 2007 in Milan Italy. Last PPV defense - defeated Sgt. Slaughter and Jimmy Snuka at Vengeance (6/24/07)


TNA
World Heavyweight Champion - Kurt Angle: 1st title reign*, defeated Chris Harris, AJ Styles, Christian Cage and Samoa Joe in a "King of the Mountain" match on June 17, 2007 at Slammiversary in Nashville, TN. Last PPV defense - defeated Samoa Joe at Hard Justice (8/12/07)

X-Division Champion - Kurt Angle: 1st title reign, defeated Samoa Joe at Hard Justice on August 12, 2007. Last PPV defense - Angle has not defended the belt yet. Last title defense was by Samoa Joe at Hard Justice (8/12/07)

Tag Team Champions - Kurt Angle & ???: 1st title reign, defeated Samoa Joe at Hard Justice on August 12, 2007. Last PPV defense - Angle has notchosen a partner or defended the belts yet. Last title defense was by Samoa Joe at Hard Justice (8/12/07)

*Angle's previous championship was as NWA champion. Right after Angle won the NWA title, he was stripped of it as TNA had decided to no longer pay for the rights to the NWA titles.


Ring of Honor
World Heavyweight Champion - Takeshi Morishima: 1st title reign, defeated Homicide on February 17, 2007 in Philadelphia, PA

World Tag Team Champions - Jay & Mark Briscoe: 4th title reign, defeated Naruke Doi & Shingo on March 30 in Detroit, MI


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Heavyweight Champion - Roderick Strong: 1st title reign, defeated Bryan Danielson on November 10, 2006 in Inverness, FL


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Tonight on Raw:


This is not how Raw should be. SummerSlam is one of the "big 4" PPV's, the ones where important things happen. Instead, WWE put on yet another glorified episode of Raw, screwing fans out of $40 or more. They buried three of their main young stars in MVP, Kennedy and CM Punk. Punk is reportedly because the head writer of ECW loves the character of John Morrison (I think he's the only one), but what could be the reason for Kennedy? It's even looking like he now will not be the bastard child of Vince McMahon, which would be the loss of another Push. And what about MVP? Was it really necessary to feed him to Steve Austin for humiliation? Was Vince afraid that Austin is no longer capable of generating crowd reaction on his own?

Even worse, tonight is teased as just an extension of yesterday's PPV. Orton and Cena. Umaga, Kennedy and Carlito. More of Vince looking for his bastard son (wasn't that supposed to be revealed on the PPV last night?)

As always, nothing is announced for ECW or Smackdown yet.
Old 08-27-07, 04:39 PM
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Other news from PWInsider.com:

WWE has dropped the New Year's Revolution PPV from their list of shows for next year.

ROH's Bryan Danielson suffered a broken orbital bone during his match against Morishima. He'll be seeing a specialist this week to determine the severity of the injury.
Old 08-27-07, 06:00 PM
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I cannot fathom the booking behnd the Umaga/Kennedy/Carlito match last night. MVP wasn't really buried, especally if he comes through with a strong win on Thursday. Punk, same as Kennedy, I just don't get it.
Old 08-27-07, 06:23 PM
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I'm beyond trying to reason with the WWE's booking. Hell, if I was booking, Booker would have went over last night. Have HHH come out the next night on Raw and say Booker was the better man that night, and he still has some ring rust to wear off. Rematch, and here HHH can win. Fast forward to WM, and if HHH wins the title back, bam, you can have Booker come out and say "I was the last man to beat you. I want a title shot.'

But of course, common sense in the WWE? Ha ha ha.
Old 08-27-07, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperBatMan
I'm beyond trying to reason with the WWE's booking. Hell, if I was booking, Booker would have went over last night. Have HHH come out the next night on Raw and say Booker was the better man that night, and he still has some ring rust to wear off. Rematch, and here HHH can win. Fast forward to WM, and if HHH wins the title back, bam, you can have Booker come out and say "I was the last man to beat you. I want a title shot.'

But of course, common sense in the WWE? Ha ha ha.
That's not necessarily common sense, though. Even without considering the significant pull HHH has backstage, when a major talent comes back (like HHH or Rey) they usually get the win, or at the very least lose because of a DQ or interference or something (setting up their next feud), not because of ring rust.

Of course, they shouldn't have fed Booker T to HHH, but that's something else.

Kennedy losing was a surprise, though, especially in a 3-way when he could have "lost" but not gotten pinned. Punk winning was a shocker, since where does he go from here after losing so many times? MVP getting stunned... I don't see Austin coming back to elevate MVP on the PPV. You could argue that it gives him the rub from even being in the ring with Austin, but who knows, this happens with every Austin appearance, right?

Wouldn't have minded Cena losing and have to chase for a while. I know people hate him for whatever reason, but he's one of the few draws they have.
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Originally Posted by MovieExchange
Other news from PWInsider.com:

WWE has dropped the New Year's Revolution PPV from their list of shows for next year.

ROH's Bryan Danielson suffered a broken orbital bone during his match against Morishima. He'll be seeing a specialist this week to determine the severity of the injury.
I'm bittersweet on the PPV drop. It's great because they'll stop cramming so many yearly PPVs but New Years Revolution was the first one done in Puerto Rico and even though the matches were so-so, the crowd definitely made up for it and the atmosphere was crazy for the whole week.
Old 08-27-07, 08:57 PM
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How long before HHH wears out his welcome again? I can't believe I say this but it's good to have him back.

As I type this they're killing his heat with this awful segment.
Old 08-28-07, 12:09 AM
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Goddamn you TNA! I've been sticking up for the company, but after reading these spoilers, I fucking give up.

Spoiler:
VKM beat the Motor City Machine Guns in 90 seconds. They could have the best tag team division that doesn't have the Briscos but they throw it away. Bound For Glory should have LAX vs. Triple X vs. MCMG for the tag team titles. The roster they have it is so easy to put together a decent ppv card to give WWE a run for their money, but fuck no.

AMW should be killing each other every month, but they have only fought once, and will probably get released next week.

Storyline wise Christian should be fed up with AJ, firing him from his stable, thus turning AJ face and feuding with Cage, but fuck that.

Push Robert Roode or don't, make up your fucking minds.


I ranted some in the spoilers. I've defended the company on these boards, and I do believe they could turn everything around easily. They need to get away from Mandell and Russo. Replace them with a Cornette and Raven booking team. The product would improve overnight.

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Old 08-28-07, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MovieExchange
Other news from PWInsider.com:

ROH's Bryan Danielson suffered a broken orbital bone during his match against Morishima. He'll be seeing a specialist this week to determine the severity of the injury.
An update from Gabe himself on the roh board
Before I get into my whole experience on Saturday I'll give you all a quick rundown since I just got off the phone with Bryan.

Bryan saw an eye specialist today and it was found that he had a detached retina. He had laser surgery today where they re-attached the retina and tightened the muscles surrounding the eye. The reason his eye couldn't come down after the match was because the muscle was loosened. It's an outpatient surgery, so he was released today after having surgery this morning. The surgery went well, and there's a 90% he will regain vision, although it may be blurred.

It is recommended he take 4-6 weeks off. He will have a check up next week and the week after to check on his progress. I promise you all that we will not rush Bryan back. Bryan is maybe the toughest individual I've ever known and that covers a lot of ground. No one saw the locker room scene after almost all of his matches after the shoulder injury and how much pain he was in and how he was able to gut it out at his own insistence. This isn't a guy that takes pain killers or anything even close. He is also a guy that knows his limits. He is just incredibly tough.

As soon as I get updates from him I will post them here.

Going back to Saturday, I started watching the Bryan vs. Morishima match in the locker room with the rest of the crew. The entire locker room was cringing at Bryan's kicks and Morishima's strikes. I found myself just rising and working my way to the curtain so I could watch it in person in the middle of the crowd. I got so lost in the match I couldn't tell you how long it was or at what point I made my way through the curtain to watch the match unobstructed on the ramp. Simply put, it was one of the greatest matches I've ever seen. The great fans of New York really brought it to the next level as the crowd reactions were among the most intense in ROH history. I was elated after the match because after all this is what I enjoy. That elation soon turned to panic and dismay when Paul Turner passed me on the ramp and said "he can't see out of his eye."

Everyone was in a great mood backstage and that quickly changed when Bryan sat down and word began to spread. The entire crew came over to see how Bryan was doing, who of course was taking it like a champ and saying it was no big deal. His eye was telling a different story. As the doctor was looking at it, his eye was rolled back into his head and it stayed that way. Bryan couldn't control it. It was really hard to look at. I can't even imagine how Bryan got through this.

That's all I really have for now. As soon as I get new info you will too.
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Wow. Guess Sci-Fi had them on lockdown as far as overage was concerned? I turned over from the Yanks post-game to catch the end of Raw (at 11:02) and it was over!

That's gotta be a first in a long while..
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Originally Posted by fujishig
That's not necessarily common sense, though. Even without considering the significant pull HHH has backstage, when a major talent comes back (like HHH or Rey) they usually get the win, or at the very least lose because of a DQ or interference or something (setting up their next feud), not because of ring rust.

Wouldn't have minded Cena losing and have to chase for a while. I know people hate him for whatever reason, but he's one of the few draws they have.
It would have never ever happened, but I don't think that HHH losing to Booker would have been a bad idea. It would lead some credence that you can't just come back to the show and be at the top of your game, but instead have to work off the ring rust. And it would have sewn the seed for a long term post wrestlemania program. It definitely would have been unconventional, but I really like the thought of that idea.

I agree that Cena should have lost. I don't watch anymore, but I like the guy. But even when I was watching, Cena as champion was getting stale as all hell. Taking him out of the title picture for a few months might not have been the worst thing creatively, but probably would have been a disaster when it came to business. I think it would do Cena a lot of good to be in a secondary fued for a little while. Maybe a two month program with a Hardy or something.
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Originally Posted by boredsilly
It would have never ever happened, but I don't think that HHH losing to Booker would have been a bad idea. It would lead some credence that you can't just come back to the show and be at the top of your game, but instead have to work off the ring rust.
Yup. I agree with this 100%. That's why I was surprised both HHH & Rey won..
Old 08-28-07, 06:29 AM
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They need to get away from Mandell and Russo. Replace them with a Cornette and Raven booking team. The product would improve overnight.
That wouldn't fix anything. Jeff Jarrett and Dixie Carter have to go also. Unfortunately, TNA would probably have to go under for that to happen.
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TNA and WWE absolutely know how to bury talent...
Old 08-28-07, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by boredsilly
I agree that Cena should have lost. I don't watch anymore, but I like the guy. But even when I was watching, Cena as champion was getting stale as all hell. Taking him out of the title picture for a few months might not have been the worst thing creatively, but probably would have been a disaster when it came to business. I think it would do Cena a lot of good to be in a secondary fued for a little while. Maybe a two month program with a Hardy or something.
What Cena needs is a Heel run. It did wonders for The Rock. Austin had one and HHH is the perpetual heel. His character is so stall it's beyond belief.
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Just read the TNA spoilers. I was expecting a bad show after reading cerial442's post....

I would have been happier with a bad show. This was flat-out ugly. To add to the complaints about the taping, the exclusive match on TNA's You Tube program was Homicide vs. Senshi. That should be a main event.

I'm trying really hard not to go to total conspiracy theory mode and start saying that TNA is intentionally burying all former ROH guys, and the only thing that keeps me from doing it is (1) Joe hasn't been completely buried yet (he's about 90% of the way there, though) and (2) everyone that isn't a former WWE guy or named Sting is being buried.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see them put the tag belts on Killings and Jones, just because that would be the type of dumb-ass swerve that Russo thinks makes him so cool.
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Originally Posted by Timber
What Cena needs is a Heel run. It did wonders for The Rock. Austin had one and HHH is the perpetual heel. His character is so stall it's beyond belief.
Austin was terrible as a heel
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Austin had already perfected his character with his first heel run before the one that I think you're referring to.
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I'm trying really hard not to go to total conspiracy theory mode and start saying that TNA is intentionally burying all former ROH guys, and the only thing that keeps me from doing it is (1) Joe hasn't been completely buried yet (he's about 90% of the way there, though) and (2) everyone that isn't a former WWE guy or named Sting is being buried.
Spoiler:
TNA was building up to a Joe vs. Angle match at Bound For Glory, but after Sting won one half of the tag team titles, I'm willing to bet the main event for Bound For Glory will be Sting vs. Angle.

If Joe leaves TNA, I would hope he would go to ROH and/or Japan instead of WWE. He actually has a better push now in TNA than he would get in WWE. Plus I have heard most guys make more money on the independent scene than in the big name feds.
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Originally Posted by Timber
What Cena needs is a Heel run. It did wonders for The Rock. Austin had one and HHH is the perpetual heel. His character is so stall it's beyond belief.
Funny thing is, when Cena was starting to get over in 2004 it was because he was a heel.
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Why does Danielson have to get hurt again? I am going to the ROH show in a couple weeks here in Detroit, and of course I will not see my favorite wrestler for the third show in a row.
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Originally Posted by cerial442
Spoiler:
TNA was building up to a Joe vs. Angle match at Bound For Glory, but after Sting won one half of the tag team titles, I'm willing to bet the main event for Bound For Glory will be Sting vs. Angle.

If Joe leaves TNA, I would hope he would go to ROH and/or Japan instead of WWE. He actually has a better push now in TNA than he would get in WWE. Plus I have heard most guys make more money on the independent scene than in the big name feds.

i have been saying this from day one... the x division is slowly becoming a joke.. the heavyweights are a joke.... the concept matches are being overdone there and too much Angle.... i am sorry but TNA is just as bad as wcw.....

WWE on the other hand doesnt know what to do... HHH comes into a funny segment... for heaven sakes...

wrestling is at its darkest days
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I actually was going to post just about the exact same rant that cerial beat me to earlier in the threat about the TNA tapings. I've said it before, but that company is so frustrating that they have to be doing this on purpose. I've said it before, but the only thing keeping me watching TNA is their roster. It's probably the best combination of young, experience, and ability that I have ever seen and it's all being flushed directly down the shitter.
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Originally Posted by Timber
Austin had already perfected his character with his first heel run before the one that I think you're referring to.
The one when he joined Triple H or the one against Jake the Snake Roberts?
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following Summerslam note that I missed exiting the venue. During the post-match celebration, Cena grabbed a "If Cena Wins We Riot" sign from the crowd. He brought it back to the ring, held it up for everyone to see, then threw it down and gestured for the fans to bring it on, like he was ready to take on the whole building. I questioned the wisdom of this move, only because fans might not be as likely to consider the consequences of rushing the ring after the event is over and things could have gotten ugly. Luckily, only a few beer bottles were thrown Cena's way. All in all, a ballsy move by the champ.

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