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Old 06-26-20, 09:44 PM
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Re: Play a game with me. Hall of Famer or not?

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If I remember correctly, the Raptors and many other teams didn't think that he was worth the max cause he hadn't fully developed as a scorer like Kobe or KG had. T-Mac at that point was known for his defense although it was clear that he could score, but the question was about consistency. Orlando took a gamble on him because they were trying to recover from the lost luster the franchise had gone through after losing Shaq in 96 and then trading Penny. Orlando was also a good destination for players due to the tax breaks, something that the Raptors have had issues with when signing players. The Magic wanted to get 2 out of the 3 big free agents and it work well for them until Grant Hill didn't recover from that ankle injury he suffered when he was with the Pistons.

I still believe that T-Mac and Vince would have been a combination similar to Jordan and Pippen. With players like Oak, Antonio Davis and Kevin Willis or even Hakeem, they could have had a much better run than what ended up happening.
I think they offered him the max before the year was up, so even if the max went up after the season I don't think they would have balked just because of money, but they knew they were going to lose him (they shopped him briefly but he wouldn't commit to stay with the team that traded for him). It's not like they were going to get a premier free agent anyway. I don't think anyone really thought he'd turn into quite the player he did, but there were plenty of teams offering the max. He also says it's his one regret (though if Hill were healthy I'm sure that would have made things a lot different...like I said he basically played way too many minutes in those early years trying to make up for Hill being injured).

I don't know if they would have beaten the Kobe Shaq Lakers that next year (I think they would have beaten both the 76ers and Milwaukee to make the Finals) but even Kobe said he thought they would have won at least one title if they had stayed together. We sometimes forget because of his offense but McGrady was a beast defensively too.
Old 06-28-20, 02:25 PM
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This Vince Carter talk led me down a Rasheed-Jamison-Stackhouse rabbit hole. UNC was cranking out some great players, and I’d forgotten how long their NBA careers lasted.

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Old 06-29-20, 01:27 AM
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Re: Play a game with me. Hall of Famer or not?

Is Matty Ice a Hall of Famer?

He has better stats than Eli though zero rings but should have gotten one in Super Bowl 51

He does not get the best pass protection but still finds ways to produce.




Old 06-29-20, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffTheAlpaca View Post
Is Matty Ice a Hall of Famer?

He has better stats than Eli though zero rings but should have gotten one in Super Bowl 51

He does not get the best pass protection but still finds ways to produce.



Without looking up stats but just on gut feel, no. Better stats than Eli doesn't cut it, I don't think Eli gets in with just one SB/MVP either.
Old 06-29-20, 11:18 PM
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Matt Ryan is already 10th in passing yards in NFL History,and if he just had average/median statistics for a QB 4-5 more seasons he might go top 3-5.
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Originally Posted by AaronHernandez View Post
Matt Ryan is already 10th in passing yards in NFL History,and if he just had average/median statistics for a QB 4-5 more seasons he might go top 3-5.
Oh he can definitely get there, I just don't think he's a lock right now, especially with inflated numbers in the current era.
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Originally Posted by fujishig View Post
Oh he can definitely get there, I just don't think he's a lock right now, especially with inflated numbers in the current era.
Maybe not first ballot but guys who finish top 5-10 in stat accumilation and skill positions always get in (see tim brown,curtis martin,jerome bettis).
Old 06-30-20, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by AaronHernandez View Post
Maybe not first ballot but guys who finish top 5-10 in stat accumilation and skill positions always get in (see tim brown,curtis martin,jerome bettis).
Think that you are right. Warren Moon has neither an MVP nor a Super Bowl appearance and he's in.
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Sad to see no love for Rob Deer
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Sad to see no love for Rob Deer
Rob Deer was the ahead of his time as a 2 way player (strikeout or homerun).

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