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Old 06-09-07, 07:07 PM
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Vlad and Manny, probably yes.

Hoffman, yes but not on first ballot.
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Old 06-09-07, 09:42 PM
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No way Horry gets even a single vote. The same people who would argue that he should get in are probably the ones who argue that Steve Tasker should be in the football HOF.
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Plus we have gotten to that point were 3000 hits and 500 home runs aren't as special anymore.
3000 hits will always be special.

Griffey's plaque was finished several years ago.
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Originally Posted by zekeburger1979
Here's what I think of the Hall of Fame chances of the players listed so far, by sport:

Basketball:

Kevin Garnett: Yes
Vince Carter: No
Ray Allen: No
Paul Pierce: No
Robert Horry: Maybe
Karl Malone: Yes
Charles Barkley: Yes
Tracy McGrady: Maybe
Grant Hill: No
Allen Iverson: Yes
Scottie Pippen: Yes
Kobe Bryant: Yes
Shaquille O'Neal: Yes
Tim Duncan: Yes
Steve Nash: Maybe
Jason Kidd: Yes
Gary Payton: Yes
Elton Brand: No
Reggie Miller: Yes


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you have to remember that the Basketball Hall of Fame is not the NBA Hall of Fame. With that in mind, the criteria for evaluation is much wider and that the player is measured by his entire body of work, including college and international play. For that reason, I believe Grant Hill will probably be a Hall of Famer. Also, Steve Nash, a 2 time MVP, a maybe? Those 2 MVPs made him a shoe in for the HOF.
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Old 06-10-07, 11:16 AM
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Here is one kind of a joke kind of not. I promise tomorrow a hockey player.

Julio Franco

48 years old and still on an active roster !!!!
undrafted player who's been in the league 22 years

.298 avg
2573 hits(over4200 overall hit in all leagues)
281 stolen bases
3 allstar appearances 1 mvp
oldest position player in history
most hits from a dominican player
spent time also in japan and mexico
oldest player to hit a grand slam
and oldest to hit a homerun
second oldest to get a stolen base (how would you like to be the catcher that couldn't throw out a guy on social security)
batting title in 91
Only Ty Cobb and Pete Rose have more over all hits
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Old 06-10-07, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by zekeburger1979
Here's what I think of the Hall of Fame chances of the players listed so far, by sport:

Basketball:

Robert Horry: Maybe
Elton Brand: No

Baseball:
Craig Biggio: Maybe/Yes
There is no way a journey man like Horry should get in. He's gone from good team to good team and picked up championships that way (except in Houston where he was drafted). Yes, he's hit a few clutch shots over the years, but hitting one big shot a year or so doesn't get him in. He's just a role player. Detlef Schrempf was a better player.

Elton Brand is still a little too young to tell. He puts up great numbers but he's stuck on the Clippers.

Biggio should go in. One of the all time great second basemen.
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Old 06-10-07, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Arpeggi
Vlad and Manny, probably yes.

Hoffman, yes but not on first ballot.
Agreed, although I would say Manny is pretty close to a lock at this point.
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No responses to Bert Blyleven, so does that mean people don't think he should go in, or just don't care?
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I agree with Blyleven but am abit biased being a twins fan.
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Bernie Williams?
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I'm gonna say no on Bernie Williams a good player, but I think he has had the benefit of playing with some good players on good teams.
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Andruw Jones?
Chipper Jones?
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Old 06-11-07, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by zekeburger1979
Robert Horry: Maybe
I'm sorry, I can't take anything else you wrote seriously after this.

Re: people like Blyleven, I think this thread should be for people that have not had the actual HoF vote on yet. Silly for us to speculate on people like Blyleven when the HoF has already spoken.

As for Biggio, his stats say yes, but he doesn't scream "HoF" to me. He probably gets in, but not first ballot. Griffey is a lock first ballot even if he never played another game. The only way he doesn't make it 1st ballot is if we find out he was juicing.
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Old 06-11-07, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Spicollidriver1
Here is one kind of a joke kind of not. I promise tomorrow a hockey player.

Julio Franco

48 years old and still on an active roster !!!!
undrafted player who's been in the league 22 years

.298 avg
2573 hits(over4200 overall hit in all leagues)
281 stolen bases
3 allstar appearances 1 mvp
oldest position player in history
most hits from a dominican player
spent time also in japan and mexico
oldest player to hit a grand slam
and oldest to hit a homerun
second oldest to get a stolen base (how would you like to be the catcher that couldn't throw out a guy on social security)
batting title in 91
Only Ty Cobb and Pete Rose have more over all hits
His last batting title was almost 20 years ago. He might reach the 3k hit plateau by age 60. He'll only be in the HOF as a special exhibit for his age-related accomplishments.
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Old 06-11-07, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Lee Harvey Oswald
Andruw Jones?
Chipper Jones?
Both I'd say no to right now, but both have a chance. More so Andruw as he's younger and will probably continue collecting Gold Gloves and likely get over 500 homers.

Chipper has a better chance now that he moved back to 3rd, as he has great offensive numbers for a 3B but not so much for an outfielder if he had stayed out there. But he's going to be dicey if he can't stay healthy and put up another 5 or so good years.
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Originally Posted by Spicollidriver1
I'm gonna say no on Bernie Williams a good player, but I think he has had the benefit of playing with some good players on good teams.
I'd agree, but his great post season numbers (all time homer leader) along with overall good stats will get him some votes for sure. Probably not enough to get in though.
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I'd agree, but his great post season numbers (all time homer leader) along with overall good stats will get him some votes for sure. Probably not enough to get in though.
But I think those numbers are gonna get him like 50% of the vote but not enough to get in unless its a real weak class that makes him look better.
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Ok maybe this one is easy but wanted a hockey player.

Scott Niedermayer

4 cup titles
5 all star games
06-07 conn smythe winner
03-04 defenceman of the year
world junior champ, olympic champ,world cup, world champion, memorial cup title, and of course stanley cup champ.
over a 1000 games played, and 608 points 668 pim
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Originally Posted by Spicollidriver1
But I think those numbers are gonna get him like 50% of the vote but not enough to get in unless its a real weak class that makes him look better.
Bernie won't get 50%. Doubt he gets even 25%.
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Old 06-11-07, 05:21 PM
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Bernie won't get 50%. Doubt he gets even 25%.
I think you underestimate the aura of the yankees that cloud judgments sometimes.
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Originally Posted by Spicollidriver1
I think you underestimate the aura of the yankees that cloud judgments sometimes.
perhaps. but a career OPS of .858, less than 300 HRs, 2300+ hits, 147 SBs (caught 87 times) just doesn't do it for me. He had 5 seasons of 100+ RBIs, and 8 of 100+ Rs, but I think most people are aware that his Rs and RBIs are somewhat inflated due to being on the Yanks. A nice, solid, consistent player. Very good, perhaps even great for a period. But I think most of the HoF voters are not so blind as to elevate him to HoF status... In a stats driven sport, he simply doesn't have the stats.
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Originally Posted by Spicollidriver1
Ok maybe this one is easy but wanted a hockey player.

Scott Niedermayer

4 cup titles
5 all star games
06-07 conn smythe winner
03-04 defenceman of the year
world junior champ, olympic champ,world cup, world champion, memorial cup title, and of course stanley cup champ.
over a 1000 games played, and 608 points 668 pim
Even though I hate him for leaving the Devils, Nidermayer is in. Don't doubt that at all.

As for Bernie, he'll tread water at about 15-20% for years but won't come close to making it in. As Lurker Dan pointed out, the numbers just aren't there.
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I assume the writers will view Bernie as one of the 'clean' players in an era that they seem to be willing to think stinks to high heaven (at least for offense). It will be interesting to see how that translates to HOF voting. All things being equal, given the resume, he won't get in. All things won't be equal when he becomes eligible.

As an O's fan, he was easily the most feared Yankee to me in the late 90s-early 00's.
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Bernie's 162 game averages are strikingly close to Don Mattingly's. Mattingly isn't in, Bernie won't get in.
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Originally Posted by Quake1028
Bernie's 162 game averages are strikingly close to Don Mattingly's. Mattingly isn't in, Bernie won't get in.
well, one difference is the position they play. Mattingly, as a 1B, should have better stats than Williams, a CF.
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