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Old 06-20-05, 10:30 AM
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Where will Sosa & Palmeiro end up on all time HR list?

Where will they end up, on the all time homerun list? Sosa is currently tied with McGwire, and will pass Frank Robinson this year.. But it will probably take 2 more seasons to pass Willie Mays.

Sosa - Born: November 12, 1968 (36 years old) - currently 9 HRs, projected 21 HRs

Palmeiro - Born: September 24, 1964 (40 years old) - currently 9 HRs, projected 21 HRs

Palmeiro also has 2981 hits.. 19 away from being only the 4th player to ever have 3000 hits and 500 homeruns. (Bonds has 2730 hits, so if he stays around to chase hank, he will probably get his 3000 as well)

RANK ALL-TIME HR
1 Hank Aaron 755
2 Babe Ruth 714
3 Barry Bonds 703
4 Willie Mays 660
5 Frank Robinson 586
6 Mark McGwire 583
Sammy Sosa 583
8 Harmon Killebrew 573
9 Reggie Jackson 563
10 Rafael Palmeiro 560
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Old 06-20-05, 10:33 AM
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Sosa ends up 5th and Palmerio ends up 9th. Both are pretty much done. Unfortunatly Sosa wants to hang around for a few more seasons.
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Old 06-20-05, 10:35 AM
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if he wasnt a lock before.. Palmeiro seals his ticket to the HOF with 19 more hits.
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Old 06-20-05, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by twikoff
if he wasnt a lock before.. Palmeiro seals his ticket to the HOF with 19 more hits.
I dunno. I remember around the time Palmeiro hit his 500th I was arguing that shouldn't he be a lock with 3000/500. There seemed to be a lot of disagreement over the issue, particularly with regards to his DHing.
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Originally Posted by Mordred
I dunno. I remember around the time Palmeiro hit his 500th I was arguing that shouldn't he be a lock with 3000/500. There seemed to be a lot of disagreement over the issue, particularly with regards to his DHing.
i might argue that 500 homeruns isnt an instant pass anymore
and even more of a stretch, maybe 3000 hits isnt an instant ticket

but you combine the 2, and be one of 4 players ever to do it.. thats a lock in my book
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they'll both end up on the cheaters list in my mind.
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Old 06-20-05, 03:54 PM
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Sosa probably won't catch Mays, and I think Raffy can get as high as 6th. I don't think Bonds will reach 3000 hits.
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
Sosa probably won't catch Mays, and I think Raffy can get as high as 6th. I don't think Bonds will reach 3000 hits.
depends on how much he walks, and how long it takes him to break the record (if he does in fact stretch it out until he breaks the record)
2 full seasons, and he should get to 3000.. hell, if he broke the record, he would have at least 53 hits.. and i was just figuring that he will be at a slower pace, so i didnt figure more than 1 of every 5 hits would be a homerun..

of course, thats assuming he doesnt come back hitting everything out of the park.. and that he stretches his career out long enough to break the record..
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Originally Posted by dick_grayson
they'll both end up on the cheaters list in my mind.
Besides Canseco's allegation, what is there to support the belief that Palmeiro actually cheated? He doesn't seem to be much smaller than he's been the last few years (unlike Sosa, who looks like a middle infielder now), and production normally goes down with age.
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Old 06-20-05, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mordred
I dunno. I remember around the time Palmeiro hit his 500th I was arguing that shouldn't he be a lock with 3000/500. There seemed to be a lot of disagreement over the issue, particularly with regards to his DHing.
I think the new argument recently has been concerning how long Palmeiro's boner will last when he is up there on the podium making his induction speech. I say at least 75 minutes.
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Originally Posted by uberjoe
Besides Canseco's allegation, what is there to support the belief that Palmeiro actually cheated? He doesn't seem to be much smaller than he's been the last few years (unlike Sosa, who looks like a middle infielder now), and production normally goes down with age.

no proof, but I don't think he's the kind of player capable of putting up the numbers he does at his age. I guess it's not fair that just since Canseco named him to consider him a cheater, but it doesn't add up for me. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Sosa, on the other hand....
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Old 06-20-05, 04:15 PM
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meh
going by some peoples statements.. we could assume 80% of the league are cheaters over the past 50 years..
but that takes away alot of the fun of tracking the stats and making predictions

but lets keep that discussion in a seperate thread, it would quickly hijack this one
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Old 06-20-05, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by twikoff
meh
going by some peoples statements.. we could assume 80% of the league are cheaters over the past 50 years..
but that takes away alot of the fun of tracking the stats and making predictions

but lets keep that discussion in a seperate thread, it would quickly hijack this one
then maybe I'm missing the point of including Sosa. why discuss stats of someone who's obviously cheated (in more ways than one)?

but, whatever, discuss away and I'll keep it to myself.
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Old 06-20-05, 04:23 PM
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meh, i hate corky as anyone
but if he can get caught cheating, serve his punishment, and get to continue to play.. then i guess his stats are still worth discussing

steroid accusations are just assuming.. so they arent worth getting into
but youre right, corky was caught cheating.. so he does deserve a different spot on some peoples list.. but palmeiro shouldnt be on that same list..
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it probably doesn't help that my favorite ballplayer of all time, Mike Schmidt (who I'd say is a better hitter than Palmeiro) was recently passed my raffi. Either way, I'm sure Palmeiro will make the 3000/500 (which is quite impressive), but I'm rooting against Sosa.......
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They'll end up next to 2 giant *s.
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Originally Posted by cleaver
They'll end up next to 2 giant *s.
of course you know this will never happen
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Old 06-20-05, 04:54 PM
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I still don't think Palmeiro is a shoo-in with 3000 hits. He will likely gain induction, but it is not certain.
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
I still don't think Palmeiro is a shoo-in with 3000 hits. He will likely gain induction, but it is not certain.

I am having a hard time believing that if someone, regardless of how long it took them, gets 3,000 hits and 500 homeruns they would not be considered a shoo-in. Palmeiro should be will be 1st ballot, if not it would be a travesty.
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Originally Posted by neiname
I am having a hard time believing that if someone, regardless of how long it took them, gets 3,000 hits and 500 homeruns they would not be considered a shoo-in. Palmeiro should be will be 1st ballot, if not it would be a travesty.
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Old 06-20-05, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by neiname
I am having a hard time believing that if someone, regardless of how long it took them, gets 3,000 hits and 500 homeruns they would not be considered a shoo-in. Palmeiro should be will be 1st ballot, if not it would be a travesty.
yea.. he could have been the only person with 500 homeruns to not get in
or one of the only people with 3000 hits to not get in

but man, it would be fucked up to not get in with 500/3000
thats just ridiculous
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Old 06-20-05, 05:39 PM
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MO:
Sosa will end his career around 625 and 5th on the list.
Palmeiro will end his career around 585 putting him right between Robinson and McGwire.
Both are sure HOF's: Sosa because of his HR's in the 90's and Palmeiro because of his almost 20 years in the MLB with, as mentioned, 3000 hits & 500 home runs. I think anyone that hits 3000 hits is in, eventually. 500 home runs, your in, eventually. Both = definate.
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I always wanted Crime Dog to get 500 HR as a test case to see if he would get in the Hall. Guess we'll never know.
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If they get in the HOF, then Gil Hodges should be in the HOF.
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I can't think of anything significant Rafael has done.

He's like your buddy who keeps bringing home plain jane boring looking chicks to nail. Sure, he piles on the stats, but there's nothing impressive about it.

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