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Josh H 05-16-05 12:48 PM

College Football Offseason Thread
 
Start the damn games already!

Looks like West Virginia and Marshall are finally going to start playing again in 2006. Their had been a ton of tension between the schools since Marshall backed out of the final 2 games of a 3 game contract after playing the first game (and losing) in 1997. Pruett retiring and Marshall probably helped get the deal done. He has pretty absurd demands in terms of money etc.

Sounds like the new deal will be 2 at WVU 1 at Marshall from what I've heard rumored (old deal was all 3 at WVU). But details aren't known yet.


WVU, Marshall to Meet in Football

staff
Morgantown

MetroNews has confirmed a published from earlier today that WVU and Marshall have come to terms on a contract for a football series.

Details of the deal are not yet known.

Gov. Joe Manchin will officially announce the deal during a 10:30 a.m. news conference at the State Capitol tomorrow.

The series is expected to begin during the 2006 season. Recently passed legislation has allowed Division I college football teams to expand their schedules to 12 games.

It will be the first time since 1997 and just the second time since 1923 that the two schools have met in football. The 1997 game was a thrilling 42-31 shootout won by the Mountaineers in the season opener for both teams.

Red Dog 05-16-05 12:54 PM

They should have just had Marshall join the Big East instead of S.Florida.

Josh H 05-16-05 01:05 PM

I agree whole-heartedly on that one.

Only reason I see for S. Florida is keeping a conference presence in Florida for recruiting purposes.

Stadium size may be a factor too, but I have no idea how many people S. Florida's holds. Marshall's is kind of small for a BCS conference team, somewhere in the 40,000's.

Timber 05-16-05 01:06 PM

Why not both? Hell they invited every other team. What difference does one extra make?

Red Dog 05-16-05 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
I agree whole-heartedly on that one.

Only reason I see for S. Florida is keeping a conference presence in Florida for recruiting purposes.

Stadium size may be a factor too, but I have no idea how many people S. Florida's holds. Marshall's is kind of small for a BCS conference team, somewhere in the 40,000's.


That's more than what BC's stadium holds, isn't it?

RoyalTea 05-16-05 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Stadium size may be a factor too, but I have no idea how many people S. Florida's holds. Marshall's is kind of small for a BCS conference team, somewhere in the 40,000's.

S. Florida shares a stadium with the Tampa Bay Bucanneers. I don't know if it's the same capacity, or if they tarp off sections a la MLS.

RoyalTea 05-16-05 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by Red Dog
That's more than what BC's stadium holds, isn't it?

BC's stadium holds 45,000, but there's no actual seats (it's all bleachers), and they could easily sqeeze in 5,000 more bodies into the stands.

Josh H 05-16-05 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Red Dog
That's more than what BC's stadium holds, isn't it?

Not sure on that one either. But like I said, stadium size was just a possible factor I came up with so I could be dead wrong. :D

I'm sure WVU didn't want them in the conference though, they've always been opposed to a alternating yearly series, as they'd rather have in Morgantown, where they can make a killing selling 60,000 plus tickets. :D

Josh H 05-16-05 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by RoyalTea
BC's stadium holds 45,000, but there's no actual seats (it's all bleachers), and they could easily sqeeze in 5,000 more bodies into the stands.

Yeah, WVU's is the same way (new box seat suites aside). 63,000 or so listed attendance, but they squeeze more in for big games. A little over 70,000 for Miami in 1993 is the record.

Quake1028 05-16-05 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by RoyalTea
S. Florida shares a stadium with the Tampa Bay Bucanneers. I don't know if it's the same capacity, or if they tarp off sections a la MLS.

I do not believe they do, so the capacity would be 65,657.

Josh H 05-17-05 02:06 PM

Here's the details of the WVU-Marshall series.


The schedule of the series will be as follows:
September 6, 2006 in Morgantown
September 8, 2007 in Huntington
September 13, 2008 in Morgantown
October 3, 2009 site to be determined by most wins in the first three games
September 11, 2010 in Huntington
September 3, 2011 in Morgantown
September 1, 2012 in Morgantown
I like it, especially the site of the 4th game being determined by who wins the first 3 games.

WVU at worst will have 4 games in motown and 3 in Huntington, and possibly 5-2.

Pretty fair given Marshall already backed out of one deal a few years back, and that WVU is in the BCS conference and has a stadium that seats roughly 20,000 more people.

Red Dog 05-17-05 02:15 PM

No talk of the news of Temple jumping to the MAC in football yet? Shocking.

Red Dog 05-17-05 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle

Pretty fair given Marshall already backed out of one deal a few years back, and that WVU is in the BCS conference and has a stadium that seats roughly 20,000 more people.


:lol: at your idea of 'fair.'

Josh H 05-17-05 02:26 PM

Hey, they're a mid major. This was a fair compromise, the past few weeks WVU's AD had been saying nothing but at least a 3 for 1, and Marshall's nothing but a 2 for 1.

So this is a fair compromise. WVU can prove they deserve more home games by winning and making it 5-2. Marshall can prove they deserve more by winning and making it 4-3 (which is better than two 2-1 deals).

You don't come up from I-AA for a few years, do extremely well in a mid-major and expect a level field with the big boys.

Plus, they deserved no good treatment at all after backing out of the last 2 games of the prior 3 game deal.

Red Dog 05-17-05 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Hey, they're a mid major.

You don't come up from I-AA for a few years, do extremely well in a mid-major and expect a level field with the big boys.


Shouldn't matter. Outside of the ludicrous post-season 'structure', the biggest beef I have with college football (and college hoops to lesser extent): money drives the scheduling. At least with college hoops, you get some leveling with early season neutral site matchups.

Oh and :lol: at WVU and the Big East being considered a 'big boy.'

Josh H 05-17-05 02:37 PM

I mean just more in WVU. Marshall is the little brother there. It's in a crappy city in a crappy part of the state and is a crappy academic institution. WVU is in a nicer town, in really the only nice part of the state and is a much better academic school (not great, but pretty good, and very good in some disciplines).

Sports wise, Marshall has only been D-1 for a decade or so, where as WVU has been playing big time D-1 football since inception. So they're certainly the Big Boy in this sense.

And the new Big East is still much better than the new Conference USA. Marshall would have been better served staying in the MAC. It's a better conference with them, than the new C-USA.

Red Dog 05-17-05 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
I mean just more in WVU. Marshall is the little brother there. It's in a crappy city in a crappy part of the state and is a crappy academic institution. WVU is in a nicer town, in really the only nice part of the state and is a much better academic school (not great, but pretty good, and very good in some disciplines).

Sports wise, Marshall has only been D-1 for a decade or so, where as WVU has been playing big time D-1 football since inception. So they're certainly the Big Boy in this sense.

And the new Big East is still much better than the new Conference USA. Marshall would have been better served staying in the MAC. It's a better conference with them, than the new C-USA.


All irrelavent considerations IMO. It is still money and past status driving scheduling and I don't associate these concepts with the word 'fair.' I've said it before - how are mid-majors (in both football and basketball) supposed to 'climb the ladder' with the deck perpetually stacked against them?

Josh H 05-17-05 02:47 PM

And as I've said before, I could care less if they climb the ladder or not.

Prove themselves on the road against the major teams, or drop down a division.

It is money and status based, and that's the way it should be IMO. WVU takes 1 for 2 deals to play teams like Notre Dame and gives out 2 for 1's or worse for mid-majors.

I have no problem with either. 1 for 2's against big boys give WVU a chance to gain status, and they have no obligation to help mid majors climb the ladder. THey have to do what's best for them, just like I do what's best for me everyday.

So in my view the deal was more than fair, and I'd have prefered WVU stick to their 3-1 demand. But I want to see the games and it's kind of cool that on field play helps determine the "fairness" of the deal.

Red Dog 05-17-05 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
And as I've said before, I could care less if they climb the ladder or not.

Prove themselves on the road against the major teams, or drop down a division.

It is money and status based, and that's the way it should be IMO. WVU takes 1 for 2 deals to play teams like Notre Dame and gives out 2 for 1's or worse for mid-majors.

I have no problem with either. 1 for 2's against big boys give WVU a chance to gain status, and they have no obligation to help mid majors climb the ladder. THey have to do what's best for them, just like I do what's best for me everyday.

So in my view the deal was more than fair, and I'd have prefered WVU stick to their 3-1 demand. But I want to see the games and it's kind of cool that on field play helps determine the "fairness" of the deal.


Yes, I'm quite aware of your position on mid-majors in football and basketball.

Now the deal is "more than fair?" Sheesh. rotfl I don't have a problem with a WVU fan liking the arrangement. Heck, they have the advantage so why not. Calling it 'more than fair' is where the problem lies.

Josh H 05-17-05 03:16 PM

It's more than fair in the sense that it's better than most mid major schools get, especially if it ends up 4-3.

It's not fair in an equalitarian sense. :D But there's no equality in college sports.

RoyalTea 05-17-05 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
And the new Big East is still much better than the new Conference USA. Marshall would have been better served staying in the MAC. It's a better conference with them, than the new C-USA.

I still don't understand why Marshall was so quick to jump from the MAC to C-USA.

Toad 05-17-05 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Quake1028
I do not believe they do, so the capacity would be 65,657.

Raymond James stadium seats more than 65,000 for NFL games, with the capability to increase to 75, 000 on a temporary basis. For USF games, the lower half of the stadium allows for a capacity of 41,441.

Josh H 05-17-05 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by RoyalTea
I still don't understand why Marshall was so quick to jump from the MAC to C-USA.

I don't get it either.

It would have made sense if Louisville, Cincy, etc. were still there, but it makes no sense at all with the 2005 C-USA.

Josh H 06-08-05 03:19 PM

ESPN drops is affiliation with the coaches poll.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2079442

Daryl 07-03-05 10:09 PM

something to whet your appetite: the week 1 TV schedule is up at nationalchamps.net

Pharoh 07-03-05 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by Daryl
something to whet your appetite: the week 1 TV schedule is up at nationalchamps.net



:up:

Some pretty nice games for the first week. Of course, it is the second week that is the most important this season.

:)

The Cow 07-03-05 11:45 PM

-eek- Illinois has an actual long shot at being 1-0 -eek-

Josh H 07-04-05 11:45 AM

Nice to see WVU on national TV on opening weekend.

Daryl 07-04-05 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by The Cow
-eek- Illinois has an actual long shot at being 1-0 -eek-

Zook for Governor!


Originally Posted by Pharoh
Of course, it is the second week that is the most important this season.

I know you're not sweating the Texas game?! OSU's my first big bet of the year. It's my "it was the Michigan defense, for pete's sake, now here comes the Vince Young reality check" bet

LorenzoL 07-09-05 06:21 PM

FSU will seek another year of eligibility
Associated Press

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Wyatt Sexton, the Florida State quarterback who was found disheveled and disoriented on a city street last month, has been diagnosed with Lyme disease and will miss the upcoming season, the university reported Saturday.

Florida State coach Bobby Bowden said the university would seek a sixth year of eligibility for Sexton, who has already used his redshirt season. He is the Seminoles' only experienced quarterback.

"It looks like Wyatt will need several months of treatment and will have to miss the season," Bowden said in a statement.

A specialist in the field of Lyme disease, Dr. S. Chandra Swami from Hermitage, Pa., said Sexton's organs have been infected and recommended intensive antibiotic therapy over a period of months.

"Wyatt has active Lyme Disease that has resulted in neuropsychiatric and cardiovascular deficits," Dr. Swami said.

The disease is curable, but the estimated recovery time for his advanced stage of infection is several months. If untreated, the disease can cause joint swelling and brain inflammation.

"We expect him to fully recover," Sexton's parents, Billy and Joy, said in a statement in the school's release. Billy Sexton is the running backs coach for the Seminoles.

The Seminoles will now choose between a pair of redshirt freshmen, Drew Weatherford and Xavier Lee, as the starting quarterback for their nationally televised season opener Sept. 5 against Miami. The team begins its preseason practice Aug. 9.

"It may come down to flipping a coin as to who starts the season," Bowden said.

Wyatt Sexton was the projected starter at quarterback. He played in 10 games in 2004, completing 55.2 percent of his passes for 1,661 yards and eight touchdowns. He also had eight interceptions.

On June 14, the 20-year-old Sexton was doused by pepper spray and taken to a hospital after he was found lying in the street and identifying himself as God. His parents released a statement two days later that said drug abuse was not the problem.

Lyme disease bacteria are transmitted to humans by ticks that are carried by deer.

The disease is often identified by an expanding "bull's-eye" rash that develops days to weeks after a tick bite. Other symptoms include tiredness, fever, muscle aches and joint pain.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta said there are an increasing number of cases that are attributed to growing populations of deer that support deer ticks, more homes being built in wooded areas and better recognition and reporting of the disease, named in 1977 when a cluster was identified in Lyme, Conn.

In addition to Sexton, the Seminoles could also be without their two linebackers, Ernie Sims and A.J. Nicholson, for the Miami game because of recent run-ins with the law.

Florida State was 9-3 in 2004, but failed to win the Atlantic Coast Conference title for just the second time in 13 seasons, and wound up ranked 15th -- its fourth straight year outside the Top 10 in the final Associated Press poll.

Supr_65 07-12-05 12:08 PM

7:15 Virginia Tech at North Carolina State

I wonder when Tech is gonna play their game AT LSU :eyeroll:

Josh H 07-12-05 01:00 PM

Didn't they annouce a rescheduled date for the [email protected] game when they backed out. Like 2008 or something?

I could be mistaken though as that was a good while ago.

twikoff 07-12-05 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Supr_65
I wonder when Tech is gonna play their game AT LSU :eyeroll:

when LSU has a rebuilding year?

davidlynchfan 07-12-05 06:57 PM

does anyone know why the Temple Owls opt for independent?
Their schedule looks brutal.

at Arizona st.
at Wisconsin
Toledo
W Michigan
at Bowling Green
Maryland
Miami,Fl
at Clemson
at Virginia
Miami,Oh
at Navy

MrX 07-12-05 07:04 PM

They were kicked out of the Big East and now they're joining the MAC. They won't play a full conference schedule until 2007

Daryl 07-13-05 01:41 PM

FSU takes a huge loss as CB Antonio Cromartie tore his ACL on Tuesday and is gone for the year.

July 13, 2005
Cromartie done for the season
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tallahassee, Fla. Florida State junior cornerback Antonio Cromartie will miss the 2005 season after tearing the ACL in his left knee during voluntary workouts Tuesday evening. Cromartie, a preseason first team All-American, had an MRI Wednesday morning and head trainer Randy Oravetz confirmed the injury and said Cromartie will undergo surgery to repair the knee next week.

Cromartie, who attended Lincoln High School in Tallahassee, tied for second last year in the ACC with four interceptions. He was also responsible for two defensive touchdowns. Sophomore J.R. Bryant will move up to first team at left cornerback opposite senior Gerard Ross to start fall practice.

MrX 07-13-05 07:52 PM

Shocking news here South Carolina admits 10 violations, 5 of them major, that occured under Holtz


South Carolina admits to 10 NCAA violations, five major
By PETE IACOBELLI, AP Sports Writer
July 13, 2005

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- South Carolina admitted to 10 NCAA violations committed under former football coach Lou Holtz in a report released Wednesday.

Five of the violations were classified as major.

The report was prepared jointly by the NCAA enforcement staff and the university and has been forwarded to the NCAA's Committee on Infractions, which can accept, reject or modify the proposed penalties.

The school found violations occurred when prospective student-athletes were given impermissible tutoring sessions and offseason workouts from 1999-2002.

South Carolina was also found to have a lack of institutional control.

``These are serious violations that are not in keeping with the values of the University of South Carolina and our athletics programs,'' University President Andrew Sorensen said. ``They certainly cast our university in a light, which no one in the Carolina family condones.''

Holtz did not immediately return messages left by The Associated Press at his home in Orlando, Fla.

The school proposed two years of probation, a reduction from 56 to 50 paid campus visits for football recruits this year and next; and a loss of two football scholarships for the 2006-07 and 2007-08 academic years.

Steve Spurrier, who replaced Holtz, says he hopes the NCAA will accept the penalties, ``which I believe are fair, so that we can get this matter behind us.''

School officials said Tom Perry, former senior associate athletic director for academic support services, is no longer with the school and and Pat Moorer, former strength and conditioning coach, was reassigned after Spurrier took the job.

Holtz retired at the end of last season.

``Any violation of the NCAA legislation is unacceptable, and I regret that five violations not previously discovered by the athletics department were discovered,'' said Mike McGee, who retired after more than 12 years as South Carolina's AD last month.

The report closes a chapter during which South Carolina had some of greatest success as Holtz went 17-7 and won the Outback Bowls in 2000-01.

``Any success that we have in athletics should be earned honorably and never be tainted by any violation of the rules and regulations that govern intercollegiate athletics,'' University of South Carolina board Chairman Herbert Adams said.
I like how the admin acts like they're shocked this happened under Holtz:lol:

Daryl 07-13-05 08:16 PM

A school gets in trouble immediately AFTER Holtz leaves? Like THAT'S never happened before :lol:

I guess it's OK to hire him, you just can't ever let him leave!

Duran 07-14-05 02:48 PM

What exactly is an "impermissable tutoring session?"

RoyalTea 07-14-05 02:55 PM

so what's going to happen to South Carolina.

I'm going to assume that since Spurrier's their new coach, that they'll get a mild slap on the wrist.


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