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Old 04-19-05, 08:21 PM
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Broncos and Redskins make big trade

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8401083

Redskins deal with Broncos to get another first-round pick


April 19, 2005
CBS SportsLine.com wire reports



ASHBURN, Va. -- A day of mixed signals from the Washington Redskins ended with an unexpected twist: a trade that leaves the team with two picks in the first round of Saturday's NFL Draft.
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Paying a hefty price for a short-term gain, the Redskins on Tuesday acquired the No. 25 overall pick from the Denver Broncos. In exchange, Washington gave up its third-round selection (No. 76 overall) in this year's draft and picks in the first and fourth rounds in 2006.

The trade allows the Redskins to take care of both of their most pressing needs -- cornerback and receiver -- in one afternoon this Saturday. Washington holds the ninth and 25th picks, with the flexibility to trade up or down to get the players the team has targeted.

Oddly, the day began with a report suggesting the Redskins might not have any picks at all in the first round. The Washington Post, in Tuesday's editions, reported that team was discussing a trade that would send the No. 9 pick to the Oakland Raiders for cornerback Phillip Buchanon and a second-round selection.

The Redskins refute reports they are seeking to acquire Phillip Buchanon for the No. 9 pick. (Getty Images)

The reaction was terse from vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato.

"That is not true," Cerrato said in a statement released by the team. "We are not trading that pick."

Cerrato's words were a surprise. They went beyond quashing the Buchanon story and ruled out any trade whatsoever for the No. 9 selection, an overreaction that had to be clarified later in the day by coach and team president Joe Gibbs.

"Right now, we've had no discussions with anyone about trading away the ninth pick," Gibbs said. "Are we considering any options we are presented with? Yes. We'll consider anything, but no one has presented a compelling scenario."

That's not to say the Redskins weren't interested in Buchanon. An official within the league, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the Associated Press that the team has discussed a possible trade for Buchanon in recent days, but the official said none of the scenarios involved Washington's first-round pick. The official said the Redskins might trade a lower-round pick for Buchanon, but that no deal was imminent.

In essence, Tuesday's statement was a signal to the rest of the league that the Redskins do not consider Buchanon worthy of a first-round pick. Buchanon has said he is unhappy in Oakland, wants a trade, and Washington doesn't want the price tag to go too high.

Regardless, the trade with Denver would seem to dampen any possibility for a Buchanon deal, given that the Redskins can now obtain both a receiver and a cornerback in the first round. The top draft prospects from both positions have visited Redskins Park in recent weeks.

The Redskins need a cornerback to replace Fred Smoot, who departed during free agency, and a receiver is a priority because both Laveranues Coles and Rod Gardner requested trades. Coles was sent to the New York Jets for Santana Moss, while Gardner is still on the market.

Also Tuesday, the Redskins re-signed Tim Hasselbeck, their lone remaining restricted free agent. Hasselbeck is expected to be the third-string quarterback again this season behind Patrick Ramsey and Mark Brunell.

Is it me or does the Redskins LOVE to get raped?
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Old 04-19-05, 08:26 PM
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I love the Redskins but they are soo fucking stupid most of the time. They got raped in this trade.

True that they can't draft in the second day for shit so the 4th probably doesn't matter to them.
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Skins trade Matt Leinhart to the Broncos for Jason Campbell. Idiots.
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Old 04-19-05, 08:53 PM
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Deja vu. I thought this thread was from last year, when they did the Portis trade...
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Wow, talk about bad trade for the Skins. If they waited until draft day, they could've given up a lil less for a team desperate to trade out of the first round.
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skins are stupid for giving up that much for an extra pick. Oh well, I guess this eliminates the slim possibility of Antrelle Rolle being available at # 10 for my Lions.
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God I hope the Redskins are at least respectable next year so they don't end up giving another top 10 pick to Denver for that haul
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Old 04-19-05, 10:56 PM
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Wow. That makes... um... no... sense for the 'Skins.

Edit: The more I think of it, the more I'm starting to believe that this is the worst draft trade since Ricky Williams.

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Old 04-20-05, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jericho
God I hope the Redskins are at least respectable next year so they don't end up giving another top 10 pick to Denver for that haul

That's the key point. This is a trade you might make if you have a very good chance of being a playoff team.

Who fucking knows what they are doing. The problem with the Skins is that you never know whom to blame, although I guess the buck ultimately stops with Danny Boy.
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According to ESPN.com, the trade was with an eye towards taking Jason Campbell at 25.
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So did the Redskins do this to bundle their #9 and #25 to move up? So another trade is imminent?

BTW, can this just be merged with the existing DRAFT thread?

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=401480
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Old 04-20-05, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by WildcatLH
According to ESPN.com, the trade was with an eye towards taking Jason Campbell at 25.
Jason Campbell seems like a fine player, and I've never been that high on Ramsey so the deal makes some sense, but how bad does a front office have to be to leak that info before the draft? I almost hope it's not Campbell so the team does even come off more amateurish (if that's possible)
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Oh, so the Deadskins are planning on using the #25 pick overall to pick a QB and they gave up next years #1 to do it?

I'll miss Ramsay though.
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Oh, so the Deadskins are planning on using the #25 pick overall to pick a QB and they gave up next years #1 to do it?

I'll miss Ramsay though.
To be fair to the 'Skins, if they do take Campbell, this'll be the 3rd straight year that a team has traded a next year #1 for a this year #1 to take a QB (Baltimore with Boller in '03 and Buffalo with Losman last year)
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the redskins have traded their remaining picks for the Broncos waterboy.


i tell you, i wouldnt be surprised
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To be fair to the 'Skins, if they do take Campbell, this'll be the 3rd straight year that a team has traded a next year #1 for a this year #1 to take a QB (Baltimore with Boller in '03 and Buffalo with Losman last year)
That tells the story right there. It only makes sense it they bundle their two #1's and move up to take one of the higher rated QB.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
That tells the story right there. It only makes sense it they bundle their two #1's and move up to take one of the higher rated QB.
The problem for them would be a) The 2 big QBs aren't getting past #2, most likely. b) Minnesota may end up offering 7+18+a lower pick to Miami for #2, so it would take alot more than 9 and 25 to move up there, and c) According to the article, they hold Campbell in as high a regard as they do Rodgers and Smith.

Only way I can see what you say should happen is if SF picks Rodgers #1, Miami trades down with Minnesota and Minnesota takes Braylon Edwards #2, and SF throws the 9, 25, a 2nd round pick, and maybe 1 more pick to Cleveland for the #3 and takes Alex Smith.

edit: Besides CRM, we're both Eagles fans. I want them to fail. This is perfect.
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Jason Campbell is going to be a better NFL player than Aaron Rodgers.
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That tells the story right there. It only makes sense it they bundle their two #1's and move up to take one of the higher rated QB.

If they do that I would be livid. Picking a QB that high is asinine if you ask me. You're more likely to pick a bust than a future pro bowler.

Giving up on Ramsey at this stage and starting over would be a huge mistake, particularly when they could have traded him for a 1st rounder before last year's draft.

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I don't believe the Campbell story. They can't be that stupid to announce who they want with that pick.
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They can't be that stupid to announce who they want with that pick.

You obviously haven't followed the Redskins for the last decade.

Speculating on what the Redskins are planning to do is an exercise in futility. If anyone can accurately predict what those 2 picks will be or what they might turn into, I will be amazed.
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I think you're forgetting that Gibbs is at the helm. I can't believe that he would continue in his job if Danny was calling the shots. Joe Gibbs is firmly in charge, and I know he isn't that stupid. Maybe I give too much credit, but 3 rings has earned my respect.
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I think you're forgetting that Gibbs is at the helm. I can't believe that he would continue in his job if Danny was calling the shots. Joe Gibbs is firmly in charge

I think that is very debatable. Just look at the nonsense that has taken place btwn Gibbs and Cerrato the last few days. Oh and Gibbs is not and has never been a good personnel guy.
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If they do that I would be livid. Picking a QB that high is asinine if you ask me. You're more likely to pick a bust than a future pro bowler.

Giving up on Ramsey at this stage and starting over would be a huge mistake, particularly when they could have traded him for a 1st rounder before last year's draft.
Not only could they have had a first rounder... they could've had a very high first rounder (since it was Miami who was offering them a #1 for Ramsey)
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Not only could they have had a first rounder... they could've had a very high first rounder (since it was Miami who was offering them a #1 for Ramsey)

Miami had a mid-low #1 last year. They were a 10-6 team in 2003.
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