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dvd-4-life 04-05-05 08:04 PM

Orioles didn't have one Afro-American on there 2005 opening day roster
 
I thought this was highly unusual.How often has this happened?One of the last players cut from the team was Enrique Wilson.

Trelach24 04-05-05 08:35 PM

Wow, that is pretty odd.

Maybe we need Bobby Bonilla back or something.

I think this used to happen pretty regurally like before 1947.

twikoff 04-05-05 08:36 PM

speaking of odd..
this is the ad you get when you talk about the orioles :hscratch:

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com...MgjS_BE9D6QWiw

Timber 04-05-05 08:40 PM

I've never though about that but yes you are correct.

Trelach24 04-05-05 08:41 PM

Well, we do have Sosa now. Maybe Os fans don't want to shell out full price for a Sosa jersey.

wabio 04-05-05 08:46 PM

Sosa's not Afro-American. He can't speak a lick on english!!!!!

twikoff 04-05-05 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by wabio
Sosa's not Afro-American. He can't speak a lick on english!!!!!

the sosa comment was replying to my post with the cubs graphic

Daryl 04-05-05 10:37 PM

bring back Eddie Murray. He'll put the afro back in Afro-American

ChiTownAbs, Inc 04-05-05 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by twikoff
speaking of odd..
this is the ad you get when you talk about the orioles :hscratch:

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com...MgjS_BE9D6QWiw

:lol:

Deftones 04-06-05 09:51 AM

Had they not traded Jerry Hairson Jr., they would've had at least half of one on the roster.

gmal2003 04-06-05 09:56 AM

Their arent many if any Afro Americans in baseball.All that hair couldn't fit under those little helmets. Most of them with that much hair gets braids.I think Pokey Reese was an Afro-American for a while but he eventually got braids. Now as for the NBA, plenty of Afro Americans (Ben Wallace, Josh Childress, Rick Davis on occasion).

Red Dog 04-06-05 10:05 AM

How many American-born blacks are there in baseball today? How many under the age of 30?

Dabaomb 04-06-05 11:32 AM

Baseball has clearly become a Latino sport.

African Americans gravitate towards basketball & football

BrianYuen 04-06-05 11:49 AM

Baseball is actually a Latino and White person sport

Red Dog 04-06-05 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Dabaomb
African Americans gravitate towards basketball & football


Right, and you can be sure that MLB is very concerned about that. Not because of some lofty social principle, but for reasons of marketing and money.

Deftones 04-06-05 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Red Dog
Right, and you can be sure that MLB is very concerned about that. Not because of some lofty social principle, but for reasons of marketing and money.

Sadly, that's true. Plus they don't want to be called out by Jesse Jackson like the NFL has for having a lack of African American leadership. I think there's alot more minority coaches in MLB than in the NFL, though.

Josh H 04-06-05 01:17 PM

It's a disturbing trend, but I don't think it will affect attendence much.

They can just shift their marketing away from black urban areas some and more to suburban and rural areas as well as hispanic urban areas and keep the fanbase up.

Hell look at the success of NASCAR. MLB could sadly target that fanbase and probably get more support with less black players.

Red Dog 04-06-05 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
It's a disturbing trend, but I don't think it will affect attendence much.


I think the concern is more with TV ratings than attendance.

Josh H 04-06-05 02:10 PM

That's true, but the US is only around 13% black, so it's not a huge chunk of the overall TV market.

Of course it's a bigger chunk of the urban markets, which is why they'd have to focus marketing away from black urban areas if this trend continues.

Tommy Ceez 04-07-05 10:27 AM

I cant name one black person on the 2003 Yankees.

Anyone?

UPDATE: Curtis Pride for a few games, and 50% of Derrick Jeter

DVDHO 04-08-05 06:49 PM

Berny Williams?he sure looks black to me.

Dabaomb 04-08-05 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by DVDHO
Berny Williams?he sure looks black to me.

Believe it or not, he's Puerto Rican.

I looked at the 2003 roster. I couldn't find any blacks on it.

This year there are several blacks: Sheffield, Tom Gordon, Tony Womack, & Jeter

kenbuzz 04-08-05 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by dvd-4-life
Orioles didn't have one Afro-American on there 2005 opening day roster
I thought this was highly unusual.How often has this happened?One of the last players cut from the team was Enrique Wilson.

By "Afro-Americans", I'm taking it that you mean "black", right? Or are you just singling out Americans with 'fros? And what about all those non-Americans on their (oops, I mean "there") roster, like Daniel Cabrera, Sammy Sosa and Miguel Tejada (Dominicans), Rick Bedard (Canadian), Bruce Chen (Panamanian), Jorge Julio and Melvin Mora (Venezuelans), Rodrigo Lopez and Geronimo Gil (Mexicans), Sidney Ponson (Aruban), Javier Lopez and Luis Matos (Puerto Ricans), and Rafael Palmeiro (Cuban)? Not many of them have 'fros, but quite a few of them are black and aren't clean-shaven, do they count?

If you mean "black", there are lots of "black" players on the Orioles' roster. If you mean Americans With Afros, I think you're probably right, though B.J. Surhoff wore a pretty bad perm back in the early '90s. If he were to revive that, he'd probably count. http://www.thrillnetwork.com/boards/.../afrosmile.gif

Too bad Jules isn't an Oriole...
http://home.comcast.net/~soze/JulesP1Marry.jpg
So what was the point you were making again?

MrE 04-18-05 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by kenbuzz
By "Afro-Americans", I'm taking it that you mean "black", right?

Most dictionaries answer this question...or isn't that what you were asking?

Jericho 04-18-05 05:59 PM

Less than 10% of major leagues are african-american, so I guess it's not much of a surprise. On an average 25 man roster, you'd only expect 2-3. I remember an article not too long ago about how the Blue Jays were supposedly getting rid of all their black players. Of course it was BS, but such is the state of blacks in baseball.

kenbuzz 04-18-05 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by MrE
Most dictionaries answer this question...or isn't that what you were asking?

Not directly, no. I get confused when people and the PC Cops co-opt perfectly good english words to twist them to add completely unrelated meaning, just to not offend folks. For example, the phrase "African-American" has come to replace "black" or "Negro" in common parlance, though technically, any American either from or with direct generational ties to the continent of Africa are more correct to use that phrase. A white boy whose parent emigrated to Kansas from South Africa before he was born could more correclty call himself "African American" than most inner-city black youth, though he'd be branded a racist if he did so.

I was in Quebec City on vacation several years ago. My g/f noted that there weren't as many "African Americans" there per capita as there were back in the Greater DC area where she was from. I noted that in fact, there were probably very many fewer African Americans than she saw -- since nearly all of the black folks there were more than likely Canadian, not American.

Words have meaning. Using perfectly good words or phrases that have their own intrinsic meaning to provide a "feel good" phrase to specific sets of other folks merely out of some sense of Political Correctness only serves to make already difficult communication that much harder. The phrase "Afro-American", to me, is confusing. Not because I'm not in step with common parlance, but because it has it's own meaning that seems to run contrary to the more-and-more commonly accepted, but contradictory, meaning.

That, and I wanted to tweak the original author. "Black" would probably have been a better term to use, since that's what the author clearly meant. :)

Josh H 04-18-05 09:20 PM

I don't think he clearly meant that. I think he was trying to imply he was excluding "black" hispanics, like Sosa and Tejada on the O's.

KitchenSink 04-18-05 10:05 PM

Does Albert Belle still count? Are they still paying him? ;)

Josh H 04-18-05 11:41 PM

No, Belle is finally off the books for them. :D

kenbuzz 04-19-05 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
I don't think he clearly meant that. I think he was trying to imply he was excluding "black" hispanics, like Sosa and Tejada on the O's.

Heh, well, it seems to me that if we're arguing about what he "clearly meant", then it's fairly obvious that his wording wasn't exactly clear. :)

Confusing the matter by introducting nationality and nationality of origin (assuming he wasn't talking about hair styles) doesn't help. If one means to identify folks by their race and nationality, do so. In this particular case, if your interpretation is correct, perhaps "Black American" would have been the proper phrase to use, as it's pretty unambiguous and works perfectly fine IMO.

Brian Gentz 04-19-05 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Red Dog
How many American-born blacks are there in baseball today? How many under the age of 30?

Cubs have 2, Corey Patterson and Derek Lee (he'll be 30 this summer)


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