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2004 U.S. Open at Shinnecock Hills, June 17-20

Old 06-19-04, 05:22 PM
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1. Phil Mickelson -5 14
2. Fred Funk -4 15
2. Retief Goosen -4 15
4. Ernie Els -3 16
4. Shigeki Maruyama -3 14
6. Jeff Maggert -2 15
7. Tim Clark -1 F
8. Sergio Garcia +1 F
8. Corey Pavin +1 17
8. Mike Weir +1 17
Old 06-19-04, 05:58 PM
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Needs to be updated

Goosen leads by 2 at end of 3rd round.
Old 06-19-04, 06:08 PM
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Gotta root for my Maryland boy, Fred Funk.
Old 06-19-04, 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by Red Dog

Gotta root for my Maryland boy, Fred Funk.
It's fold time for Fred tomorrow.

He has a chance if he can reach the greens in regulation. He's an excellent putter.
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3 South Africans in top 8. That ain't bad.
Old 06-19-04, 11:10 PM
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That 7th green is ridiculous. i guess it's fair if every one is bogeying it, but still....did you see Mickelson's put today? absolutely insane.

I think there was 1 birdie and 27 bogies on it today...and a handful of doubles. What's the point of making it THAT hard on them? i'd be surprised at this rate if the winner is better than -5 at the end. it's only going to get worse tomorrow.
Old 06-19-04, 11:49 PM
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That hole was close to being unfair. I'd rather see a thicker first cut instead of Masters-waxed greens.
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Anyone catch the recap show? The winds have really picked up should make for an interesting day if they keep going tomorrow.
Old 06-20-04, 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by Gallant Pig

That hole was close to being unfair. I'd rather see a thicker first cut instead of Masters-waxed greens.
The par 3, number 7, reminds me a lot of the par 3 - I forget the number - at the Olympic Club in San Francisco - only the slope at that hole is greater than the number 7. I remember the frustration of Paine Stewart in 1998 at the Open. He was in the hunt until that hole.

The most 'unfair' hole I've ever seen was the way they set up number 18 at Cherry Hills Country Club at the 1997 U. S. Open. Remember that tournament - that was when Andy North won with a score of 1 over par. That event changed tournament golf in this country - not for the better, IMO.

The reason I like the U. S. Open is because it's still a real test of golf - generally tight courses, reasonably narrow fairways, generally no wide preferred ladning areas, meaningful rough (including a first-cut of rough that really comes into play), etc. In other words - unlike the drive-and-putt courses they generally play on.
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Originally posted by classicman2
The par 3, number 7, reminds me a lot of the par 3 - I forget the number - at the Olympic Club in San Francisco - only the slope at that hole is greater than the number 7. I remember the frustration of Paine Stewart in 1998 at the Open. He was in the hunt until that hole.

The most 'unfair' hole I've ever seen was the way they set up number 18 at Cherry Hills Country Club at the 1997 U. S. Open. Remember that tournament - that was when Andy North won with a score of 1 over par. That event changed tournament golf in this country - not for the better, IMO.

The reason I like the U. S. Open is because it's still a real test of golf - generally tight courses, reasonably narrow fairways, generally no wide preferred ladning areas, meaningful rough (including a first-cut of rough that really comes into play), etc. In other words - unlike the drive-and-putt courses they generally play on.


It is however the combination of the course and the winds are that making this course border on unplayable. If the weather worsens as the day progresses, as was forecasted, I expect someone from a little further back to be in serious contention at the end. Mike Weir is a name I like.
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Wow. It's early, but the 7th is now averaging 4.65. And that is after a par dropped the scoring average by a half stroke. Not good.
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I don't know if they've mentioned this on NBC, but apparently the greenskeepers were told by the USGA not to roll the greens prior to yesterday's round due to their quickness. The keeper in charge of the 7th didn't hear the instruction and rolled it anyway. The hole is always going to be tough, but that is one reason why it was so ridiculous yesterday.
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well after the first two groups today, they are now wetting the 7th green after every group. it's now playing normal and the insane roll offs aren't happening now. I don't know that i've ever seen them do that during a round before.
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nice start for Corey Pavin
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I love watching this shit. Makes me feel so much better about when I play.
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Not a good start for Weir. I thought the 1st hole set up well for him today, but I thought wrong.



El Scorcho,

I feel exactly the same.
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Wow. Has anyone hit the fairway on the 1st?
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yes, nothing better than watching the pros struggle like we do every time out. especially the puts rolling off the other side of the green
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Kinda shocks me a lot of people are hitting driver on #1.

Mickelson just put one in the right rough, Els just put one in the left rough, and Goosen finally put one down the center.
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Goosen with a nice second shot as well. It may be tough to beat him today. Still, I have to believe he is going to give back a couple of shots before it is all over.
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Hehehe, I love watching these pros chip a ball, have it get on the green, then roll back down to them.
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Originally posted by Pharoh
Goosen with a nice second shot as well. It may be tough to beat him today. Still, I have to believe he is going to give back a couple of shots before it is all over.




Or not.
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I still think Phil wins this.
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wow....course average is 78 today....74 is the best round so far. that's insane.

and ernie opens with a double bogey, but Goosen puts his second tee shot in that bunker that's been eating everyone up...he could very well send that thing right off the green on the other side....but he's 5 up now with els' gaffe to start.
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For CBS to have carried all their golf in High Definition (for minor tournaments even) and now for the U.S. Open on NBC to have no HD coverage is a disgrace for NBC. Makes them look very far behind the times. This is their best golf event. USE THE HIGH DEFINITION.
They say that they will cover the Olympics in unprecedented High Definition coverage on NBC, but this leaves me worried.

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