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Old 06-09-04, 03:35 AM
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Tuesday, June 8, 2004
RESULTWINLOSSSAVEATT.
Arizona 8, at Baltimore 1Johnson (8-4)  Ponson (3-7)   28,927
at Boston 1, San Diego 0Martinez (6-3)  Osuna (1-1)  Foulke (12)  35,205
Florida 7, at Cleveland 5Bump (1-3)  Jimenez (1-4)  Benitez (23)  21,252
Atlanta 4, at Detroit 3Reitsma (2-1)  Patterson (0-3)  Smoltz (9)  19,062
at NY Yankees 2, Colorado 1Vazquez (7-4)  Fassero (0-6)  Rivera (24)  51,852
at Toronto 7, Los Angeles 1Lilly (5-2)  Nomo (3-6)   16,499
San Francisco 7, at Tampa Bay 3Williams (5-4)  Waechter (3-6)   13,275
at Chicago Sox 14, Philadelphia 11Buehrle (6-1)  Telemaco (0-2)  Politte (1)  33,114
Pittsburgh at TexasPostponedN/A
at Chicago Cubs 7, St. Louis 3Clement (7-4)  Williams (3-6)   39,338
at Kansas City 4, Montreal 2Greinke (1-1)  Armas (0-1)  Affeldt (7)  15,209
at Minnesota 2, NY Mets 1Rincon (7-3)  Stanton (0-3)   16,181
Milwaukee 1, at Anaheim 0Kinney (3-3)  Ortiz (2-5)  Kolb (16)  37,589
at Oakland 10, Cincinnati 6Zito (4-3)  Bong (0-1)  Rhodes (9)  19,302
Houston 1, at Seattle 0Clemens (9-0)  Pineiro (1-8)  Dotel (10)  34,238

Wednesday, June 9, 2004
TEAMSTIME (ET)NAT TVTICKETSPITCHERS
St. Louis at Chicago Cubs2:20 PMESPNTicketsMorris at Prior
Arizona at Baltimore7:05 PM TicketsWebb at DuBose
San Diego at Boston7:05 PMESPNTicketsLawrence at Arroyo
Florida at Cleveland7:05 PM TicketsBurnett at Westbrook
Atlanta at Detroit7:05 PM TicketsThomson at Bonderman
Colorado at NY Yankees7:05 PM TicketsKennedy at Brown
Los Angeles at Toronto7:05 PM TicketsLima at Batista
San Francisco at Tampa Bay7:15 PM TicketsSchmidt at Hendrickson
Philadelphia at Chicago Sox8:05 PM TicketsMilton at Garland
Pittsburgh at Texas8:05 PM TicketsFogg at Rogers
Montreal at Kansas City8:10 PM TicketsDay at Reyes
NY Mets at Minnesota8:10 PM TicketsTrachsel at Santana
Milwaukee at Anaheim10:05 PM TicketsSantos at Washburn
Cincinnati at Oakland10:05 PMESPN2TicketsAcevedo at Harden
Houston at Seattle10:05 PM TicketsMiller at Garcia

Thursday, June 10, 2004
TEAMSTIME (ET)NAT TVTICKETSPITCHERS
Atlanta at Detroit1:05 PM TicketsOrtiz at Maroth
Colorado at NY Yankees1:05 PM TicketsJennings at Contreras
Montreal at Kansas City2:10 PM TicketsOhka at Gobble
St. Louis at Chicago Cubs2:20 PM TicketsMarquis at Zambrano
Arizona at Baltimore7:05 PM TicketsFossum at Cabrera
San Diego at Boston7:05 PM TicketsTankersley at Schilling
Florida at Cleveland7:05 PM TicketsPavano at Davis
Los Angeles at Toronto7:05 PM TicketsPerez at Towers
San Francisco at Tampa Bay7:15 PM TicketsRueter at Zambrano
Philadelphia at Chicago Sox8:05 PM TicketsMyers at Schoeneweis
NY Mets at Minnesota8:10 PM TicketsGinter at Lohse
Milwaukee at Anaheim10:05 PM TicketsObermueller at Sele
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2004 Standings: Regular

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2004 American League Standings
E A S T - RACEWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRASTRKL10
NY Yankees3620.643-19-817-12306266Won 28-2
Boston3423.5962.519-915-14305261Won 34-6
Baltimore2528.4729.513-1512-13288310Lost 15-5
Toronto2632.4481115-1411-18259276Won 15-5
Tampa Bay2134.38214.514-157-19224291Lost 26-4
CENTRAL - RACEWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRASTRKL10
Chicago Sox3124.564-18-1013-14304242Won 15-5
Minnesota3126.544118-1213-14271284Won 24-6
Cleveland2530.455616-149-16291308Lost 17-3
Detroit2532.439712-1713-15299297Lost 23-7
Kansas City2134.3821014-147-20244303Won 15-5
W E S T - RACEWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRASTRKL10
Oakland3324.579-19-1014-14274241Won 46-4
Anaheim3324.579-18-1115-13297265Lost 44-6
Texas3124.564117-914-15291258Won 15-5
Seattle2235.3861113-179-18239271Lost 15-5
 
2004 National League Standings
E A S T - RACEWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRASTRKL10
Florida3325.569-16-1217-13263246Won 15-5
Philadelphia2927.518314-1315-14278252Lost 24-6
Atlanta2928.5093.515-1314-15261243Won 25-5
NY Mets2829.4914.515-1313-16239232Lost 15-5
Montreal1838.321149-179-21165230Lost 33-7
CENTRAL - RACEWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRASTRKL10
Cincinnati3424.586-18-1016-14272283Lost 27-3
St. Louis3325.569113-1520-10290251Lost 18-2
Houston3126.5442.515-1316-13283231Won 14-6
Chicago Cubs3027.5263.517-1313-14269222Won 14-6
Milwaukee2827.5094.514-1214-15239251Won 14-6
Pittsburgh2430.44489-1815-12239269Lost 32-8
W E S T - RACEWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRASTRKL10
Los Angeles3025.545-15-1215-13240223Lost 26-4
San Diego3126.544-16-1215-14253238Lost 16-4
San Francisco3028.5171.515-1415-14275301Won 36-4
Arizona2335.3978.512-1711-18269327Won 25-5
Colorado2136.3681013-168-20301356Lost 33-7
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Wednesday June 9 

Channel Start (ET) Title                              Carrier 

MB01     2:00PM    St. Louis at Chicago Cubs          FSC  
MB01     7:00PM    Colorado at New York Yankees       YES  
MB02     7:00PM    Los Angeles at Toronto             FSW2  
MB05     7:00PM    Arizona at Baltimore               CSN-B  
MB06     7:00PM    Atlanta at Detroit                 FSD  
MB07     7:00PM    Florida at Cleveland               FSOH  
MB08     7:00PM    San Francisco at Tampa Bay         FSFL  
MB03     8:00PM    Montreal at Kansas City            RSTN  
MB04     8:00PM    New York Mets at Minnesota         MSG  
MB09     8:00PM    Philadelphia at Chicago White Sox  FSC  
MB10     8:00PM    Pittsburgh at Texas                FSSW  
MB01    10:00PM    Milwaukee at Anaheim               FSW  
MB05    10:00PM    Cincinnati at Oakland              FSBA  
MB06    10:00PM    Houston at Seattle                 FSNW  

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Shortstop not ruling out another rehab game

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By Mike Scandura / Special to MLB.com

PAWTUCKET, R.I. -- Boston Red Sox shortstop Nomar Garciaparra left the door open for another rehab game with the Pawtucket Red Sox. Garciaparra, who's been on Boston's disabled list since March 26 with a case of right Achilles tendinitis, played his sixth rehab game Tuesday night, this time at McCoy Stadium. He was 0-for-3 and only handled one chance in the field.

"There could be a chance ... there definitely could be a chance I'll play another game (here)," Garciaparra said. "I'll go back and see the doctors and trainers and talk to them (Wednesday) morning and see what we decide. We're evaluating day by day."

"I'm looking to see how I feel coming back from a baseball standpoint and also from a physical standpoint," Garciaparra said. "Am I going to feel it? I'm definitely going to feel it at times. But when I do get back up there I'm sure I'm going to have to take days off and I probably won't be playing on a continuous basis.

"It's also making sure how the tissue bounces back. When you're going out there and playing hard and getting some innings in, and getting in game situations, you want to see how it keeps recovering."

Garciaparra left no doubt that how the tissue feels is his primary concern.

"Absolutely the No. 1 thing is how it feels and how it responds," he said. "So far everything's responding great. But I'll notice it. It's nothing that's surprising. It's nothing I'm nervous about.

"The best way to describe it is it feels more like a tightness than an actual pain, like early on when it was pretty painful to do things like walk, jog. Now it feels like it just has to loosen up."

Since patience isn't Garciaparra's strong suit, another hurdle he's had to overcome is his desire to return before receiving clearance.

"I've definitely had to fight myself," he said. "But at the same time, that's why it's not always been up to me. That's why the doctors and trainers have been putting their heads together. Then, you're making decisions that way rather than letting one person decide everything.

"You're doing it the right way. That's a real good reason why we've been progressing every day and not having a setback ... not having those things we expected to have. We've been smart about it. We haven't said it's just going to depend on just me."

Depending on which media outlet you read or listened to, Garciaparra was expected to be activated and play Tuesday night at Fenway Park against the San Diego Padres. But Garciaparra begged to differ.

"I never said I was playing today anyway," he said. "That never came out of my mouth.

"I don't know where that came from. I said I'm going to go out there on a rehab assignment and I still am.

"If your body's fatigued or if the tissue's fatigued there's no need to jump out there. It's being intelligent. We've come this far so there's no need to think you can jump out there and go with that high speed. You want to make sure you're capable of going out there."

In his opinion, what Garciaparra will be capable of doing is still a matter of speculation.

"I'm not going to be going full bore, or think I'm going to be able to go full bore like I usually do," he said. "But at the same time I'll definitely be able to do things I'll be satisfied with and help out."
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Get your ass back in the lineup, Nomar!
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Interesting. If the season ended today, the Yanks and the Sox would both make the playoffs. And the rest of the division is fading fast. What a year unlike every other year.
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Interesting. If the season ended today, the Yanks and the Sox would both make the playoffs. And the rest of the division is fading fast. What a year unlike every other year.
I'm shocked.
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Afternoon game at Wrigley. Woody Williams isn't pitching today.

Morris is pitching against Prior. I bet Morris gives up more runs in the first inning than Prior does.

Who will be drive in more runs today? The Cubs or Scott Rolen?
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Old 06-09-04, 10:52 AM
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Afternoon game at Wrigley. Woody Williams isn't pitching today.

Morris is pitching against Prior. I bet Morris gives up more runs in the first inning than Prior does.

Who will be drive in more runs today? The Cubs or Scott Rolen?
I love pitching duals...and both these guys are capable of this...this could be a great game (for me at least) to watch.
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If any of you guys haven't seen or even heard of Zack Greinke, you are missing out on the next AL rookie of the year. In 4 games he has already established himself as KC's #1 pitcher. This kid is 20 years old, looks like an a 16yr old A&F model, but he can pitch. The control, speed mastery he has is amazing, his composure is like that of a 10yr vet. He will go from 94mph fastballs to low 60 curves on the next pitch. He has shutdown all teams that he has faced, only giving up 5 runs total in 26 innings pitched. And a couples runs were because of poor defense not pitching.

In 4 starts he is 1-1 (on any other team he would be 4-0, trust me on that) with a 1.73 ERA, 12 SO and only 4 walks, Opponents are batting .219 against him. This kid is for real, and is a delight to watch. He isn't getting the hype he deserves, because KC sucks, but trust me you won't regret watching him pitch.

I tell you he will be the AL rookie of the year. And a dominant pitcher for years to come.
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Greinke is the goods
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By Rob Neyer
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When you're running your franchise on a shoestring budget, it's absolutely essential that you draft well. In 2001, the Royals drafted about as poorly as a team can draft. With their first pick (ninth overall), the Royals selected an 18-year-old pitcher named Colt Griffin, who that spring had become the first documented high schooler to hit 100 on the radar gun. The Royals paid him $2.4 million to sign a contract. They used their second pick on Roscoe Crosby, and paid him first-round money ($1.75 million) because if they offered second-round money he was going to instead play football at Clemson.



Zack Greinke, 20, was the Royals' first-round pick (sixth overall) in the 2002 draft.


That draft was an utter disaster. Crosby's not playing baseball these days, and Griffin still can't find the strike zone with the help of runway lights. The Royals did draft 48 other players in 2001; three years later, not even one of them is considered a legitimate prospect. Early in that draft, the Royals went high school heavy, spending eight of their first nine picks on teenagers. That can work, if you pick the right guys. Usually it doesn't.


Royals general manager Allard Baird does eventually learn from his mistakes. So in 2002 Baird was determined to spend his first draft pick, the sixth overall, on a polished college starter. Only problem was, when it was the Royals' turn to pick, Bryan Bullington -- widely considered the best college pitcher in the draft -- was long gone (the Pirates grabbed him with the No. 1 pick). Polished collegians Jeff Francis, Bobby Brownlie, Jeremy Guthrie, and Joe Blanton were still on the board ... but Baird's scouts told him the best college pitcher available was ... a high school pitcher named Zack Greinke. This kid, they told him, was closer to the majors than any of those other guys.


The scouts were right. While all of the aforementioned college pitchers are today considered real prospects, all of them are 1) three years older than Greinke, and 2) still in the minor leagues. Meanwhile, Greinke zipped through the minors, and Wednesday night he made his third start for the Royals.


It's not often that you'll see a young pitcher vary the speed of his pitches to any degree. I remember watching a young Royals pitcher a couple of years ago, and he threw two speeds: fastball 89-90, curveball 79-80. And you can't get away with that for long in the major leagues unless your two speeds are 96 and 85 or something.



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Greinke doesn't throw 96. But he can throw 94 when he wants to (which isn't often), and just about any other number all the way down to the low 60s. Last night against the Tigers, Greinke struck out Carlos Guillen on a 93-mph fastball, and Dmitri Young on a 65 mph curveball. He throws five distinct pitches: fastball, slider, curveball, change-up, and slow -- really slow -- curveball.


I charted the velocity for all of Greinke's pitches (except for the dozen or so that weren't displayed on my TV screen. His fastest pitch was 93 (he threw two of those), his slowest was 63 (that really slow curveball). That's impressive in itself. But here's the really interesting thing ... From 63 through 93, there are 31 "slots" for different speeds; Greinke hit 26 of them.


Warren Spahn used to say, "Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." Greinke is 20 years old, and he's already better at upsetting timing than probably 95 percent of the pitchers in the major leagues, which is to say that he's already better at upsetting timing than 95 percent of the best pitchers in the world. Greinke is a prodigy, and if he doesn't get hurt he's going to become one of the best pitchers in the game.


He's not there yet, though. Greinke, who bears a striking resemblance to a young Mark Langston, isn't yet physically mature. As he gains weight, he'll be able to throw 93 more than twice per game. And as he gains experience, he'll have an even better idea of when to throw 93. Greinke's far from the best 20-year-old pitcher we've seen -- that honor probably goes to Dwight Gooden -- but I don't know that we've ever seen a 20-year-old pitcher quite like Greinke. He's not going to win a lot of games, because his team stinks and he's not strong enough to pitch more than six or seven innings. But this kid's the real thing, the best young Royals pitcher since Kevin Appier ... and maybe a lot better than that.
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If any of you guys haven't seen or even heard of Zack Greinke, you are missing out on the next AL rookie of the year.
I'm surprised at how underrated this kid has been so far, considering how highly rated of a prospect he was. He has really been outstanding. I'm glad I have EI so I have been able to see him work.
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Yeah, Baseball Prospectus is very high on this kid. They had very flattering comments about him in this year's book.

In 4 starts this year, his support neutral W-L record would be 2.3 and 0.4, for a 0.85 win percentage. After only 4 starts, he's already leading the Royals in VORP (though that's not saying much ).

I also give the Royals credit for keeping his pitch count down: 84, 100, 100, 96
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Afternoon game at Wrigley. Woody Williams isn't pitching today.

Morris is pitching against Prior. I bet Morris gives up more runs in the first inning than Prior does.

Who will be drive in more runs today? The Cubs or Scott Rolen?
I like the Cubs' chances if Prior is anything like he was in his return last week. I like them even more so if the offense can actually produce. And I like them even more now that Joe Borowski isn't down there closing games out.
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Yeah, Baseball Prospectus is very high on this kid. They had very flattering comments about him in this year's book.

In 4 starts this year, his support neutral W-L record would be 2.3 and 0.4, for a 0.85 win percentage. After only 4 starts, he's already leading the Royals in VORP (though that's not saying much ).

I also give the Royals credit for keeping his pitch count down: 84, 100, 100, 96
You know, I am signed up for the BP email and I read it occasionally. Now I see I am wasting my time.
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So Taguchi will play center today and Edmonds is going to play first - very interesting.
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How many HRs will Morris give up today?

2?
3?
5?
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He pitches better on an even start and today is an odd start - I'm thinking four.
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Rolen 1, Cubs 0.
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Weird - Morris got out of the first w/out giving up any runs.
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wtf?


I cannot be the only one listening to or watching this game.
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Originally posted by B.A.
Rolen 1, Cubs 0.

I cannot be the only one listening to or watching this game.
I'm watching ... but there's nothing to post yet.

Rolen is rollin'. 5 RBIs in the last two games against the Cubs and already 1 today.
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Weird - Morris got out of the first w/out giving up any runs.
Runners left on base after 1 inning:
STL - 3
CHI - 3

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Me thinks this going to be one long and goofy-ass game.
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LOB at the end of 2:
STL - 4
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Neither pitcher is sharp. Yup, it's gonna be a long, goofy-ass game.
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