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Old 05-28-04, 06:15 PM
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Countdown to 500....the Crimedog Is Back Again

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ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- Fred McGriff will get another chance to reach 500 home runs.

Hoping to add some offensive pop, the Tampa Bay Devil Rays called up McGriff from Triple-A Durham on Friday.

The 40-year-old first baseman-designated hitter has 491 career homers, and is trying to become the 20th player in major league history to make it to the milestone.

McGriff is a Tampa Bay native who played for the Devil Rays from their inception in 1998 until being traded to the Chicago Cubs in 2001.

He signed a minor league contract with Tampa Bay in the offseason and was invited to spring training. He was reassigned to minor league camp when the season began.

After working out on his own, McGriff joined Durham on May 20 and hit .238 with a home run and four RBIs in seven games.

McGriff is the Devil Rays' career leader in most offensive categories, including batting average (.295), home runs (95) and RBIs (352).

The five-time All-Star was slowed by injuries last year that limited him to 86 games, 13 home runs and 40 RBI for the Los Angeles Dodgers. He went on the disabled list for the first time and hit a career-low .249.

McGriff is a lifetime .285 hitter over 19 major league seasons with the Blue Jays, Padres, Braves, Rays, Cubs and Dodgers.

To make room for McGriff, outfielder Jonny Gomes was optioned to Durham.

The Devil Rays open a weekend series at home against the New York Yankees on Friday night.



Does he deserve to get in that hall of fame if he gets 500 home runs? Not in my opinion.
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Did he bring his cane?
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Is he back to play? Or is he back as a bench coach (if Zimmer could do it for the Yankees, can't anyone do it)?
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Apparently to play....
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rhetorical question
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good luck to him
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Originally posted by J-Dubya
good luck to him


hopefully tom emanski was able to teach this old dog some new tricks

fred wont make the hall.. but he could become infamous as the only player with 500 homeruns that isnt in..
too bad canseco didnt really try his crappy comeback so he could also have those honors
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Originally posted by twikoff
rhetorical question
rhetorical answer
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This is the instructional video that gets results!
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Old 05-31-04, 02:39 PM
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McGriff (1)
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You, too, can hit 500 HRs and not get into the hall of fame with this instructional video!
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Old 05-31-04, 02:59 PM
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i guess this is a good place to bring it up

what exactly would fred have to do, to make the hall

i would assume he will get hall consideration, and just never get the votes to make it

but what could he do in his little remaining time to help his cause
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If I wasnt on a laptop right now
I would take a few minutes to drop his yearly and career stats into an excel sheet and then put it in the thread.. to help the discussion

along with any of his career achievements
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He, Mark McGwire, and Frank Robinson are the only players to have 200+ home runs in both leagues. If McGriff can get like 30 more HRs in the AL, he'll become the only player with 250 in both leagues.

Other than that though...it's a tough case. If he had won an MVP award or two, then he'd have a really good shot.
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not much chance of him doing that with limited action, and at DH
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Twikoff, McGriff can't do anything at this point. He was a solid, consistent player, but he never had any exceptional years. You never heard a peep out of him and he never got press, mostly because he rarely LED the league in anything, though he was consistently near the top in a few categories like HRs.

Maybe just by getting to 500, people may start to really look closely at his stats, rather than just what they remember of his career. It's just an example of how his career went, but his best year by a pretty fair margin was the strike shortened 1994 year. But as big a fan of McGriff as I am, even I don't think he has enough "gold stars" in his career to be in the HOF.

All-Star: 1992, 1994 (MVP), 1995, 1996, 2000

Top 10 MVP
1989-AL-6th
1990-AL-10th
1991-NL-10th
1992-NL-6th
1993-NL-4th
1994-NL-8th

Home Runs (yr, #, place in league)
1988-34-2
1989-36-1
1990-35-4
1991-31-4
1992-35-1
1993-37-4
1994-34-4

But if Robin Yount, Eddie Murray and Dave Winfield can make the HOF, then McGriff has a shot too. His numbers were generally equal to or better than all 3 of those guys. Remember that most of McGriff's HOF-standard years were in the late 80s and early to mid 90s, before the "HR Era" really took off.

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Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
1986 22 TOR AL 3 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .200 .200 .200 1 0 0 0 0 0
1987 23 TOR AL 107 295 58 73 16 0 20 43 3 2 60 104 .247 .376 .505 149 0 0 4 1 3
1988 24 TOR AL 154 536 100 151 35 4 34 82 6 1 79 149 .282 .376 .552 296 0 4 3 4 15
1989 25 TOR AL 161 551 98 148 27 3 36 92 7 4 119 132 .269 .399 .525 289 1 5 12 4 14
1990 26 TOR AL 153 557 91 167 21 1 35 88 5 3 94 108 .300 .400 .530 295 1 4 12 2 7
1991 27 SD NL 153 528 84 147 19 1 31 106 4 1 105 135 .278 .396 .494 261 0 7 26 2 14
1992 28 SD NL 152 531 79 152 30 4 35 104 8 6 96 108 .286 .394 .556 295 0 4 23 1 14
1993 29 SD/ATL NL 151 557 111 162 29 2 37 101 5 3 76 106 .291 .375 .549 306 0 5 6 2 14
1994 30 ATL NL 113 424 81 135 25 1 34 94 7 3 50 76 .318 .389 .623 264 0 3 8 1 8
1995 31 ATL NL 144 528 85 148 27 1 27 93 3 6 65 99 .280 .361 .489 258 0 6 6 5 19
1996 32 ATL NL 159 617 81 182 37 1 28 107 7 3 68 116 .295 .365 .494 305 0 4 12 2 20
1997 33 ATL NL 152 564 77 156 25 1 22 97 5 0 68 112 .277 .356 .441 249 0 5 4 4 22
1998 34 TB AL 151 564 73 160 33 0 19 81 7 2 79 118 .284 .371 .443 250 0 4 9 2 14
1999 35 TB AL 144 529 75 164 30 1 32 104 1 0 86 107 .310 .405 .552 292 0 4 11 1 12
2000 36 TB AL 158 566 82 157 18 0 27 106 2 0 91 120 .277 .373 .452 256 0 7 10 0 16
2001 37 TB/CHC AL/NL 146 513 67 157 25 2 31 102 1 2 66 106 .306 .386 .544 279 0 4 13 3 13
2002 38 CHC NL 146 523 67 143 27 2 30 103 1 2 63 99 .273 .353 .505 264 0 5 6 4 13
2003 39 LA NL 86 297 32 74 14 0 13 40 0 0 31 66 .249 .322 .428 127 0 0 4 1 7
2433 8685 1342 2477 438 24 491 1543 72 38 1296 1863 .285 .378 .511 4436 2 71 169 39 225
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another 3-4 years.. he might be able to reach 3k hits
although, i cant see any team giving him a chance that long.. not even at DH
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34 in 1994? If the strike hadn't happened, he would have broken Maris' homerun record. There's no doubt in my mind. Yup, that and the Expos beating the Yankees in Game 7 of the World Series, in front of 45,000 screaming Yankee fans at Olympic Stadium would both have been big stories a decade ago.
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Originally posted by Tommy_Harn
34 in 1994? If the strike hadn't happened, he would have broken Maris' homerun record. There's no doubt in my mind. Yup, that and the Expos beating the Yankees in Game 7 of the World Series, in front of 45,000 screaming Yankee fans at Olympic Stadium would both have been big stories a decade ago.
pass the reefer buddy, 34 HR in 113 games only projects to 48 home runs. Nowhere near 61.
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Originally posted by Tommy_Harn
34 in 1994? If the strike hadn't happened, he would have broken Maris' homerun record. There's no doubt in my mind. Yup, that and the Expos beating the Yankees in Game 7 of the World Series, in front of 45,000 screaming Yankee fans at Olympic Stadium would both have been big stories a decade ago.


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Originally posted by twikoff
another 3-4 years.. he might be able to reach 500 homeruns
Fixed.

Unfortunately.
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Well, the Crime Dog is getting a large ovation from the Padres fans at the Interleague games this week.

Frankly, he's getting a louder ovation than many of the Padres players are getting.

But he doesn't look good at the plate to me. He seems to have developed a habit of jumping up in the air (both feet off the ground) when taking a close pitch. He just doesn't look comfortable up there.

And MAN is he slow as molasses during a Minnesota winter. I can't believe how slowly he gets out of the batters box. And then! When he's on first base tonight, Nevin is actually holding him on. Yeah, like McGriff is going to steal second base. Of course, then a line drive was hit about 6 feet off the line that Nevin couldn't reach (and a run scored), but had he NOT been holding the speedy McGriff on, would have been an easy ground ball out.

But I digress.....

Go FRED! Just 8 more, buddy!
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