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Friday, April 30, 2004
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Baltimore at Cleveland7:05 PM TicketsPonson at Lee
Seattle at Detroit7:05 PM TicketsGarcia at Johnson
Kansas City at NY Yankees7:05 PM TicketsAnderson at Vazquez
Arizona at Philadelphia7:05 PM TicketsDessens at Wolf
Oakland at Tampa Bay7:15 PM TicketsRedman at Waechter
Toronto at Chicago Sox8:05 PM TicketsHalladay at Buehrle
Pittsburgh at Milwaukee8:05 PM TicketsBenson at Sheets
Boston at Texas8:05 PM TicketsArroyo at Drese
Cincinnati at Houston8:05 PM TicketsAcevedo at Clemens
Anaheim at Minnesota8:10 PM TicketsOrtiz at Silva
Chicago Cubs at St. Louis8:10 PM TicketsWood at Williams
Atlanta at Colorado9:05 PM TicketsHampton at Kennedy
NY Mets at San Diego10:05 PM TicketsYates at Lawrence
Montreal at Los Angeles10:10 PM TicketsDay at Ishii
Florida at San Francisco10:15 PM TicketsWillis at Correia

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2004 American League Standings
E A S T - RACEWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRASTRKL10
Boston156.714-8-37-310374Won 69-1
Baltimore128.6002.57-65-211897Won 26-4
NY Yankees1111.5004.56-55-699104Won 35-5
Tampa Bay713.3507.55-52-87097Lost 42-8
Toronto715.3188.51-86-7100120Lost 34-6
CENTRAL - RACEWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRASTRKL10
Minnesota147.667-9-35-4127118Won 27-3
Chicago Sox138.61918-45-4114100Won 26-4
Detroit1210.5452.56-66-4136122Lost 15-5
Cleveland813.38164-54-8110135Lost 14-6
Kansas City713.3506.56-61-7111117Lost 13-7
W E S T - RACEWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRASTRKL10
Texas139.591-7-36-6125100Won 17-3
Anaheim139.591-4-59-4127115Won 16-4
Oakland1012.45534-56-796104Lost 62-8
Seattle715.31864-63-990123Lost 23-7
 
2004 National League Standings
E A S T - RACEWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRASTRKL10
Florida157.682-6-39-410480Won 27-3
Atlanta1110.5243.56-35-7114100Lost 15-5
Philadelphia911.45054-45-78480Lost 15-5
NY Mets913.40964-65-78389Won 14-6
Montreal518.21710.52-73-114185Lost 43-7
CENTRAL - RACEWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRASTRKL10
Chicago Cubs138.619-7-36-511292Won 17-3
Cincinnati129.57116-36-6106107Lost 25-5
Houston129.57114-68-312690Won 15-5
Milwaukee1210.5451.57-45-6118124Won 26-4
St. Louis1111.5002.54-97-2126120Won 15-5
Pittsburgh911.4503.54-75-48192Lost 14-6
W E S T - RACEWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRASTRKL10
Los Angeles138.619-7-56-39695Lost 15-5
San Diego149.609-9-45-511094Won 48-2
Colorado912.42946-63-6127134Lost 15-5
Arizona912.42946-63-6121126Lost 15-5
San Francisco914.39155-94-590131Lost 13-7

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Nomar is out until June.
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Damn, Twikoff, that's sweet! Making sure you get the right table could make you bug eyed, but overall, much easier than the other method, and takes maybe 5 minutes. Cool!

The links at the top of table two, and the "race" links don't work, but I'll deal with those in subsequent posts. Good enough for tonight.

I'd like to find an _easy_ way to get the column data to line up with the column headers in table 2. If not, whatever, it looks good enough and probably isn't worth the effort, not even for YOU guys.
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Originally posted by DarkElf
Damn, Twikoff, that's sweet! Making sure you get the right table could make you bug eyed, but overall, much easier than the other method, and takes maybe 5 minutes. Cool!

The links at the top of table two, and the "race" links don't work, but I'll deal with those in subsequent posts. Good enough for tonight.

I'd like to find an _easy_ way to get the column data to line up with the column headers in table 2. If not, whatever, it looks good enough and probably isn't worth the effort, not even for YOU guys.
when i was copying table source.. I just did a search for the date on the first one.. and then looked back a line or two for the start of the table code..
and did a search for American on the second, and looked back.. wasnt too bad.
then I clicked, scrolled, shift and selected everything above and removed it..

then I did a find for the word table in both, and the 2nd hit, was the bottom of the table code.

yea.. I was playing around with the replace all to make the links worth yesterday.. and realized that wasnt going to help the headers on table 2.. but really, thats not a very big deal.

only bad thing about this way, is that MLBEI isnt included in their listing..

as far as lining up the column data.. I also took a quick look at that yesterday, and it seemed like more work that I was willing to do, especially since its already so close
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Nomar is out until June.
i just heard on the NESN sportsdesk that he would only be out two more weeks. where did you hear June?
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Originally posted by huh?
i just heard on the NESN sportsdesk that he would only be out two more weeks. where did you hear June?
Today's Herald. Ill try to find a link.
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Nomar's return now pushed back to June
By Tony Massarotti
Friday, April 30, 2004

What started out as two or three days became a week of spring training. What became a week of spring training turned into two weeks of spring. Two weeks of spring subsequently morphed into three weeks of the regular season.

Now, based on the responses of Nomar Garciaparra and Terry Francona, the return of the Red Sox shortstop is not expected for some time. Like, say, June.

Prior to the Sox' doubleheader sweep of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays at Fenway Park, Sox manager Francona acknowledged that it will be a ``minimum'' of two weeks before Garciaparra (right Achilles tendinitis) is ready to appear in a game for the Red Sox this season. Francona's tone suggested that a 3-4 week scenario is far more likely, which would seemingly place Garciaparra's return at the end of May or the beginning of June.

It should be stressed that Red Sox officials have not offered any time frame on Garciaparra, but the writing appears to be on the wall. Two weeks minimum?

``I think absolutely,'' said Garciaparra, who went through only a light workout between games at Fenway. ``I've still got at least a couple of weeks.

``It's progressing. It's just a matter of different stages I have to get through and how (the injury) recovers.''

Garciaparra's workout yesterday consisted only of some light running and a brief infield session. Third base coach Dale Sveum hit ground balls directly to Garciaparra so he would not have to move too far laterally.

Garciaparra went through a similar workout earlier in the week before taking a day off. He said he is still experiencing discomfort and irritation in the area, but the problem seems to be diminishing even as he slowly increases his workouts, a sign some progress is being made.

Both Garciaparra and Francona acknowledged that neither had any idea Garciaparra would miss so much time when he was hit in the right heel by a ball during the first game of the exhibition season.

``It's kind of strange,'' Garciaparra said. ``When it happened, you didn't think much of it. It's probably my fault. I kept playing and it progressively got worse - not knowing what could come of it.''

Said Francona: ``Realistically, he's getting better, but he hasn't been swinging the bat. This is going to take a little time - more time than anybody (expected).''


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The Baseball Tonight guys were ripping him pretty hard last night for not being there and riding the bench for games while on the DL. Sadly I have to agree with them. I really liked Nomar before all this contract stuff took place, but he's got it in his head this is his last year with the Sox, and I just don't think he cares anymore. And you know what? They're 16-5, Just swept the Yanks and the Drays, and have the best record in baseball at the moment. Pokey might not be the hitter Nomar is, but so far I'm not really missing the guy. If he's gonna be petty, then screw him.
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Im not sure I agree. I'd rather have him back when he's healthy. And I dont think he's faking the injury or anything. Sometimes players get injured. Shit happens.


As for his contract, he hasnt played yet this year, so I think its pretty early to declare that he doesnt care. Nomar has been a true professional about everything he's done while in Boston.
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The Baseball Tonight guys were ripping him pretty hard last night for not being there and riding the bench for games while on the DL. Sadly I have to agree with them. I really liked Nomar before all this contract stuff took place, but he's got it in his head this is his last year with the Sox, and I just don't think he cares anymore. And you know what? They're 16-5, Just swept the Yanks and the Drays, and have the best record in baseball at the moment. Pokey might not be the hitter Nomar is, but so far I'm not really missing the guy. If he's gonna be petty, then screw him.
Saw that as well, and I have to agree with them...he definitely has shown that he is not part of the team or wanting to be there...if I was Bst I would try and dump him as soon as they can...obviousely they can win without him...look at last year, he didn't do squat when it counted.
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Saw that as well, and I have to agree with them...he definitely has shown that he is not part of the team or wanting to be there...if I was Bst I would try and dump him as soon as they can...obviousely they can win without him...look at last year, he didn't do squat when it counted.

How has he shown that he doesnt want to be part of the team? By getting injured?
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Damn, Nomar is a brittle s.o.b.

You know what sucks about this ongoing drama is that I can just see the Red Sox making a run at Renteria in the off-season. The Cardinals can't (and probably won't) offer him the kind of money the BoSox can.
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Brittle would be a good way to describe Nomar. His two major injuries came from a ball hitting him and both times, the recovery time was longer than expected. With that in mind, Im curious to see what the Sox offer him for a contract, if they offer him one at all.
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How has he shown that he doesnt want to be part of the team? By getting injured?
Maybe you did not see the show, maybe you did...the argument from the ex-ballplayers was that Nomar, although injured, does not show up to games (actually went to a Celtics game instead of the Sox game) or hang with his teammates...that they, when injured (or others), would still put a uniform on and be a part of the team no matter what....Nomar isn't doing this and may cause his teammates to become offended by this.

How much this is usual for other players today? I do not know, but the argument was valid in my opinion and I agree.
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Injured or not, he is paid to put on that uniform and show up to work everyday - if that means sitting on the bench in your running shoes supporting your team, then so be it.
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I didnt see the show, but I do know that Nomar has been working out somewhere. If it was a problem at all, Francona would settle it. Nomar hasnt stepped a toe out of line in all his time playing for the Red Sox. I doubt you would be able to find a player anywhere that would say Nomar is a bad teamate. He's a veteran and knows how to handle himself. I doubt he's offending his teamates, contrary to what ESPN says.
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Injured or not, he is paid to put on that uniform and show up to work everyday - if that means sitting on the bench in your running shoes supporting your team, then so be it.
No, not right now he's not. Right now, he's being paid to come back from an injury. I really dont see what the problem is. Its not like he was told to be in the dugout and he told them to screw off. Obviously Francona and the Red Sox staff know what they're doing. We dont know what Nomar's day is like and what they want him to do.
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Well, I am going on what they are saying...who knows, maybe there isn't a problem at all...If you know something they, or I or Gammons does not know then so be it...but I 'can' see the potential problem ... that's all there is to it...I'm (nor anyone that I can see) not saying Nomar is faking an injury, angry, rude etc...but like B.A. said above (and others) you are payed to show up-especially, as stated, when you also live near the ballpark...that's what the point is...again it could be all talk and everything is cool. Time will tell of course...I surely never had any 'gripe' with him in the past...he always seemed like a hard worker but things could have changed.
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Well, Nomar is being paid to show up, and he is showing up. He's not hiding out anywhere. He fielded groundballs yesterday. I really can't even imagine a scenario where the players would be upset with Nomar.

My guess: Everything is fine and ESPN is looking for stuff to talk about.
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No, not right now he's not. Right now, he's being paid to come back from an injury. I really dont see what the problem is. Its not like he was told to be in the dugout and he told them to screw off. Obviously Francona and the Red Sox staff know what they're doing. We dont know what Nomar's day is like and what they want him to do.
He can rehab from an injury AND show up and support his team every night.

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basically seems like he doesnt care about the team, only cares about himself

if he cared about the team, he would be there supporting them, even if he couldnt physically help them

instead, only coming when you are actually going to play.. shows your priorities on the individual rather than the team
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WHo cares about nomar. The red sox, are riding high at the moment, and getting use to life without Nomar, which will be coming anyways..

I think pokey reese is a fieldable shortstop, just get back Trot Nixon, and you guys will be rolling still. Still think they should try to package a damon, nomar deal or something for magglio to the white sox Then again white sox can't pay for nomar, any better then magglio.

Oh let's go white and red sox.
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Well, Nomar is being paid to show up, and he is showing up. He's not hiding out anywhere. He fielded groundballs yesterday. I really can't even imagine a scenario where the players would be upset with Nomar.

My guess: Everything is fine and ESPN is looking for stuff to talk about.
You might be right and I can see that side as well...I think it's more of older ballplayers talking about how it was 10-20 years ago and today it may be different. Nomars' take was that he is too frustrated to watch the games when he can't join. Who really knows...just that with what happened during the offseason there could be some problems or, like you said, it's just all talk. Personally, I think he should be there but that's just my opinion...I'm not management nor Nomar.
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I don't think it's a giant controversy, but I agree that Nomar should be there as much as possible. At least for some of the home games.

The day after Dmitri Young broke his leg early this season, he was on the front row of the two-tiered dugout with a soft cast on his leg, cheering a team that was one of the all-time worst last year. Maybe Trammell insisted he be there, but from the looks of it, there wasn't anywhere else he'd rather be. It was impressive.
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