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Joe Montana (Hall of Famer)
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Bernie Kosar (good player)
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41.86%
Trent Dilfer (average player)
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30.23%
Drew Brees (below average player)
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6.98%
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How good will Philip Rivers be?

Old 04-09-04, 02:43 PM
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How good will Philip Rivers be?

I'm hearing Peter King call this guy the second coming, and Jaws say this guy can't play. He reminds me of Brees, and Rivers plays smaller than he is because of his release.
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Rivers is the Truth, Jack, and you can take that to the bank! (of course, this comes from an NCSU alum, so take with a grain of salt)
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Old 04-09-04, 03:00 PM
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I'm going with the "Kosar" answer. He'll have a good-but-unspectacular career. If he can perfect the release, he might be better than that.
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Keep in mind that Peter King also predicted that Danny Woeful would throw for 4,000 yds under Spurrier in 2002.

I trust Jaws more than any other football analyst out there.
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To be honest, I went with "Kosar" as well...
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There should be a 'no freakin' idea' option - seems like QB is one of the hardest (if not THE hardest) positions to draft. So many high-round picks have been huge busts, and so many guys have come out of the low rounds to have great careers. Montana himself was a third-rounder.
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I thank you for not using Jeff George for the bottom of your scale.
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i feel safer guessing near the bottom of the line than the top
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Tricky evaluating Rivers because he had such a QB-friendly offense thanks to Norm Chow. He could be great... he could be a bust. I'll settle for the middle ground.
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Old 04-10-04, 09:24 AM
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All I care about is that he went 0-4 against the Terps.
Anyway, he'll be in Arena 2 in a couple of years. Okay maybe not, but I don't see him being a starter in the NFL.
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Is Bernie Kosar the best example you could give of "good quarterback?" Is there another corrolation between these QBs that Im not getting?
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Bernie Kosar was a damn fine QB.
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Old 04-11-04, 01:52 AM
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Rivers is quite similar to Kosar. Same height,no arm strength.
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Maybe I'm not remembering Bernie Kosar that well. But when I think "good QB", I dont picture Bernie Kosar.
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your probably having trouble remember him


If you say, Good QB.. Kosar will not be the first name to come to mind

if you say, Bernie Kosar.. Good quarterback will be the first thing to come to my mind.
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Ok, I dug up some dirt on Bernie. He played in all 16 games only 3 times in his career. Those 3 seasons were "good" statistically. He had amazing accuracy and ranks 46th all time in completions. I guess he would be borderline "good". It just seems wierd that he is a notch below Joe Montana in the poll. Its a pretty big jump.
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Old 04-11-04, 11:27 AM
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Bernie Kosar:
59.3 comp. %
23,301 yards passed
124 TD passes
87 INT

Drew Bledsoe
57%
36,876 yards
201 TDs
165 INT

Jim Harbaugh
58.8%
26,288 yards
129 TDs
117 int

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27,602 yards
154 TD
113 INT









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now that we know that rivers is going to a quarterback wasteland..
does anyone want to change their vote?
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I still think he will be somewhere between Bernie Kosar and Joe Montana.
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Old 04-25-04, 12:57 AM
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I'm not a huge Rivers fan. Although I saw him as a first round pick, I think San Diego really missed out by taking him over other blue-chip level players IMO. WEll technically the Giants took him, but you get the idea
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On that note, how much do you think a player's surroundings affect his career? I mean, would Ryan Leaf or even say... Tim Couch been more successful if they were drafted elsewhere?

And i think someone's mad that Tom Brady wasn't listed as the notch below Montana
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Originally posted by Red Dog

I trust Jaws more than any other football analyst out there.
I'm certainly not a fan of Rivers but to be fair supposedly Jaws is miffed at anything NC State related because the coaching staff did not take his son. The other ESPN panelists were wondering aloud what he had against him because it seemed personal. Maybe he honestly believes he won't be good, but that is the story going around.
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I think Rothlisberger is going to be better...

and that's not a homer comment because I'm from Pittsburgh. It just seems to me that Rivers didn't have as good of numbers and Rothy in college, and he just had a "better workout" at the NFL camps...which is something a lot of analysts put way too much stock into.

That's not to say Rivers is not going to be good...I think he will be a starter for a while in the NFL...but I just don't see him being a superstar.

Someone above mentioned Couch or Leaf being good somewhere else...I agree. I see this happen all the time with NHL players, even between the minor leagues and NHL. There's a few guys who SUCKED at the minor league level, but for some reason, come into the NHL and play better than they ever could in the AHL. It's all about bringing your game up to the level. If you're teflon. If you can handle it. Leaf might have been better, or he might have been just as bad. Couch, I think, showed he can be better, and he got a really raw deal in Cleveland.

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Originally posted by lordzeppelin
I think Rothlisberger is going to be better...

and that's not a homer comment because I'm from Pittsburgh. It just seems to me that Rivers didn't have as good of numbers and Rothy in college, and he just had a "better workout" at the NFL camps...which is something a lot of analysts put way too much stock into.


Rivers had one of the best college careers EVER. If we were just going by college career, Rivers beats Rothlisberger HANDS DOWN.
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Old 04-26-04, 02:53 AM
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I was just reading Mel Kiper's report card on the Chargers. Here is what he said.


If it were up to me, I would have held on to Manning and done whaterver it took to get him signed. Phillip Rivers is a cerebral quarterback, though, who could have a Bernie Kosar-type career.




He must read DVDTalk.
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