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Old 04-04-04, 11:25 PM
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The Cardinals may not finish in first place, but they will not finish the season behind the Astros and the Cubs. Maybe one, but not both.
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1990's

Ken Griffey, Jr.:
10 All-Star Teams
10 Gold Gloves
1 MVP
1,408 Games
5,377 AB's
382 HR's
1,091 RBI's
1,002 Runs
703 Walks
151 Stolen Bases

Barry Bonds:
8 All-Star Teams
8 Gold Gloves
3 MVP's
1,434 Games
4,894 AB's
361 HR's
1,076 RBI's
1,091 Runs
1,146 Walks
343 Stolen Bases

The difference in numbers is negligible or swings to Bonds when you figure in the difference in at bats. Very close either way, and certainly nothing to at.
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Old 04-04-04, 11:37 PM
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Why are my numbers for Bonds so much different than the ones from the link twikoff posted? I double checked a lot of them to be certain, and they are still off.

EDIT: Even more confusing still when you figure my numbers for Griffey are spot on.

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Aren't the Pittsburgh Pirates a team anymore? I realize they won't win anything but come on at least include them on the lists!
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Bonds was actually a better hitter in the 90's. I don't even think that it's close. You might be able to say that Griffey was a better or equal overall player since he was a CF and Bonds was a corner OF.

OBP:
Bonds:
1990-.406-4
1991-.410-1
1992-.456-1
1993-.458-1
1994-.426-5
1995-.431-1
1996-.461-2
1997-.446-2
1998-.438-4
1999-.389-injured or whatever

Or in other words - Bonds was ranked in the top 5 in OBP for every single season in the 90's, except for 1999.

Griffey only managed a .400+ OBP twice in the 90's and it was barely over .400.

SLG:
Bonds:
1990-.565-1
1991-.514-4
1992-.624-1
1993-.677-1
1994-.647-3
1995-.577-5
1996-.615-4
1997-.585-6
1998-.609-4

Even in SLG, Bonds ranked in the top 6 every single year except for 1999 - but he would have ranked in the top 5 if he had enough at bats to qualify.

Griffey's was very good, but not as good as Bonds.
1990-.481-9
1991-.527-7
1992-.535-4
1993-.617-2
1994-.674-3
1996-.628-5
1997-.646-1
1998-.611-3
1999-.576-7

Even looking at adjusted OPS+ (for park and league):
Bonds when he ranked in the top 10:
1990-170-1
1991-161-1
1992-205-1
1993-206-1
1994-182-3
1995-168-2
1996-186-2
1997-170-3
1998-177-2


Griffey when he ranked in the top 10:
1990-135-7
1991-155-6
1992-148-5
1993-172-3
1994-170-4
1996-153-8
1997-164-2
1998-149-9

While Griffey was an elite player, Bonds was still on a whole other level.

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Old 04-05-04, 09:26 AM
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sure.. it all depends on which stats you chose to compare (or in quake's case, to make up )
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Old 04-05-04, 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by twikoff
sure.. it all depends on which stats you chose to compare (or in quake's case, to make up )
Well I don't think that you'll find any statistic that really measures overall offensive production that will say that Griffey is a better hitter in the 90's than Bonds was.

What statistics are you using to say that Griffey was better?

BTW, something is messed up with the numbers in your link....for example, Bonds had 361 homeruns in the 1990's, as Quake mentioned.

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we are steering off course here..
my point was.. even if Bond's falls apart and slips back to his pre homerun outbreak years.. he would still be falling back to a time when he was the best, or second best player in baseball

bonds/griffey are close enough for the decade of the 90s to call it a wash.. throw in defense, and griffey takes a much larger edge..

but after those 2.. how big is the gap to #3?
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Old 04-05-04, 10:00 AM
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Re: MLB 2004 Season Prediction Thread.....

AL EAST
NY Yankees
Boston Red Sox*
Baltimore Orioles
Toronto Blue Jays
Tampa Bay Devil Rays

AL CENTRAL
Minnesota Twins
Chicago White Sox
Kansas City Royals
Detroit Tigers
Cleveland Indians

AL WEST
Oakland A's
Anaheim Angels
Seattle Mariners
Texas Rangers

NL EAST
Philadelphia Phillies
Atlanta Braves
Florida Marlins
Montreal Expos
NY Mets

NL CENTRAL
Chicago Cubs
Houston Astros*
St. Louis Cardinals
Cincinnati Reds
Milwaukee Brewers

NL WEST
San Francisco Giants
Los Angeles Dodgers
Arizona Diamondbacks
San Diego Padres
Colorado Rockies

*Wild Card Team

AL CY Young: TBD
NL Cy Young: TBD

AL MVP: TBD
NL MVP: TBD

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Old 04-05-04, 10:03 AM
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Re: Re: MLB 2004 Season Prediction Thread.....

Originally posted by neiname
[B]AL EAST
NY Yankees
Boston Red Sox*
Baltimore Orioles
Toronto Blue Jays
Tampa Bay Devil Rays

AL CENTRAL
Minnesota Twins
Chicago White Sox
Kansas City Royals
Detroit Tigers
Cleveland Indians

AL WEST
Oakland A's
Anaheim Angels
Seattle Mariners
Texas Rangers

NL EAST
Philadelphia Phillies
Atlanta Braves
Florida Marlins
Montreal Expos
NY Mets

NL CENTRAL
Chicago Cubs
Houston Astros*
St. Louis Cardinals
Cincinnati Reds
Milwaukee Brewers

NL WEST
San Francisco Giants
Los Angeles Dodgers
Arizona Diamondbacks
San Diego Padres
Colorado Rockies

*Wild Card Team

AL CY Young: TBD
NL Cy Young: TBD

AL MVP: TBD
NL MVP: TBD
WTF do you think you're doing? This is the Barry Bonds/Ken Griffey comparison thread. Take your predictions to some other thread!
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Originally posted by twikoff
we are steering off course here..
my point was.. even if Bond's falls apart and slips back to his pre homerun outbreak years.. he would still be falling back to a time when he was the best, or second best player in baseball

bonds/griffey are close enough for the decade of the 90s to call it a wash.. throw in defense, and griffey takes a much larger edge..

but after those 2.. how big is the gap to #3?
Yeah, we are getting really off topic

I don't think that you could say that they're really close in offense only. The thing that hurts Griffey is that he didn't get on base nearly as much as Bonds did.

#3 might be Frank Thomas and I wouldn't say that he's that far off at all if we're only looking at hitting.

Adjsuted OPS+:
1991-180-1
1992-174-2
1993-177-2
1994-212-1
1995-178-3
1996-178-2
1997-181-1

Pretty damn good.

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I still want to know why my numbers are so off from MLB.com's own numbers.
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Originally posted by Lateralus


Aren't the Pittsburgh Pirates a team anymore? I realize they won't win anything but come on at least include them on the lists!
That's what we all get from copying Deftones list .
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Originally posted by Quake1028
That's what we all get from copying Deftones list .


I did it as I was watching the game last night, so sue me. It's not like they really have a shot at anything anyway.
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The ESPN baseball gurus weigh in. Of note, very surprising that several of them predict the Padres to win the West.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring...ge=expertpicks
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AL

East
New York Yankees
Boston Red Sox [Wild Card Winner]
Toronto Bluejays
Baltimore Orioles
Tampa Bay Devil Rays

Central
Chicago White Sox
Kansas City Royals
Minnesota Twins
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers

West
Anaheim Angels
Oakland A's
Seattle Mariners
Texas Rangers

NL

East
Philadelphia Phillies
Florida Marlins
Atlanta Braves
New York Mets
Montreal Expos

Central
Chicago Cubs
Houston Astros [Wild Card Winner]
St. Louis Cardinals
Cincinatti Reds
Milwaukee Brewers
Pittsburgh Pirates

West
San Diego Padres
San Francisco Giants
Arizona Diamondbacks
Los Angeles Dodgers
Colorado Rockies


AL MVP: Gary Sheffield
NL MVP: Albert Pujols

NL Cy Young: Kerry Wood
AL Cy Young: Roy Halladay
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Re: MLB 2004 Season Prediction Thread.....

AL EAST
NY Yankees
Boston Red Sox*
Toronto Blue Jays
Baltimore Orioles
Tampa Bay Devil Rays

AL CENTRAL
Kansas City Royals
Minnesota Twins
Chicago White Sox
Detroit Tigers
Cleveland Indians

AL WEST
Anaheim Angels
Seattle Mariners
Oakland A's
Texas Rangers

NL EAST
Philadelphia Phillies
Atlanta Braves
Montreal Expos
Florida Marlins
NY Mets


NL CENTRAL
Houston Astros
Chicago Cubs*
St. Louis Cardinals
Cincinnati Reds
Milwaukee Brewers
Pittsburgh Pirates

NL WEST
San Diego Padres
San Francisco Giants
Arizona Diamondbacks
Los Angeles Dodgers
Colorado Rockies

*Wild Card Team

AL CY Young: Curt Schilling
NL Cy Young: Roy Oswalt

AL MVP: David Ortizzle
NL MVP: Albert Pujols

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Boston Red Sox
New York Yankees*
Baltimore Orioles
Toronto Blue Jays
Tampa Bay Devil Rays

AL Central

Minnesota Twins
Kansas City Royals
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers

AL West

Oakland A's
Seattle Mariners
Anaheim Angels
Texas Rangers

NL East

Philadelphia Phillies
Florida Marlins
Atlanta Braves
Montreal Expos
New York Mets

NL Central

Chicago Cubs
Houston Astros*
St. Louis Cardinals
Milwaukee Brewers
Cincinnati Reds
Pittsburgh Pirates

NL West

Arizona Diamondbacks
San Diego Padres
San Francisco Giants
Los Angeles Dodgers
Colorado Rockies

NL Cy Young: Roy Oswalt, Houston
AL Cy Young: Bartolo Colon, Anaheim

NL MVP: Jim Thome, Philadelphia
AL MVP: Eric Chavez, Oakland
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AL East

Boston Red Sox
New York Yankees*
Toronto Blue Jays
Baltimore Orioles
Tampa Bay Devil Rays

AL Central

Kansas City Royals
Minnesota Twins
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers

AL West

Anaheim Angels
Seattle Mariners
Oakland A's
Texas Rangers

NL East

Philadelphia Phillies
Florida Marlins
Atlanta Braves
New York Mets
Montreal Expos

NL Central

Chicago Cubs
Houston Astros*
St. Louis Cardinals
Milwaukee Brewers
Cincinnati Reds
Pittsburgh Pirates

NL West

Arizona Diamondbacks
San Francisco Giants
San Diego Padres
Los Angeles Dodgers
Colorado Rockies

NL Cy Young: Kerry Wood
AL Cy Young: Curt Schilling

NL MVP: Albert Pujols
AL MVP: Manny Ramirez
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Re: Re: MLB 2004 Season Prediction Thread.....

Originally posted by MrX
AL EAST
NY Yankees
Boston Red Sox*
Toronto Blue Jays
Baltimore Orioles
Tampa Bay Devil Rays

AL CENTRAL
Chicago White Sox
Kansas City Royals
Minnesota Twins
Detroit Tigers
Cleveland Indians

AL WEST
Anaheim Angels
Oakland A's
Seattle Mariners
Texas Rangers

NL EAST
Philadelphia Phillies
Atlanta Braves*
Montreal Expos
Florida Marlins
NY Mets

NL CENTRAL
Houston Astros
St. Louis Cardinals
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati Reds
Milwaukee Brewers

NL WEST
Arizona Diamondbacks
San Francisco Giants
San Diego Padres
Colorado Rockies
Los Angeles Dodgers

*Wild Card Team
I'm just going to be lazy and say I agree with all these picks, except the Marlins will be the NL wild card and the Braves will finally miss the playoffs, but still finish ahead of the Expos.

Sports Illustrated picked the Cubs to win it all, so now they are cursed on top of their curse, so they miss the playoffs.
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AL&nbspEast
Boston&nbspRed&nbspSox&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp106
New&nbspYork&nbspYankees&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp105
Toronto&nbspBlue&nbspJays&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp82
Baltimore&nbspOrioles&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp81
Tampa&nbspBay&nbspDevil&nbspRays&nbsp&nbsp56

AL&nbspCentral
Kansas&nbspCity&nbspRoyals&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp82
Minnesota&nbspTwins&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp81
Chicago&nbspWhite&nbspSox&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp80
Cleveland&nbspIndians&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp69
Detroit&nbspTigers&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp65

AL&nbspWest
Oakland&nbspA's&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp89
Seattle&nbspMariners&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp85
Anaheim&nbspAngels&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp84
Texas&nbspRangers&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp75


NL&nbspEast
Philadelphia&nbspPhillies&nbsp93
Atlanta&nbspBraves&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp83
Florida&nbspMarlins&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp81
Montreal&nbspExpos&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp78
New&nbspYork&nbspMets&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp75

NL&nbspCentral
Houston&nbspAstros&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp93
Chicago&nbspCubs&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp92
St.&nbspLouis&nbspCardinals&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp88
Cincinnati&nbspReds&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp74
Milwaukee&nbspBrewers&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp69
Pittsburgh&nbspPirates&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp67

NL&nbspWest
San&nbspDiego&nbspPadres&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp85
Arizona&nbspDiamondbacks&nbsp&nbsp82
San&nbspFrancisco&nbspGiants&nbsp&nbsp81
Los&nbspAngeles&nbspDodgers&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp77
Colorado&nbspRockies&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp72





AL Playoffs:
Boston over Kansas City in 3
New York over Oakland in 5

Boston over New York in 7


NL Playoffs:
Chicago over Philadelphia in 5
Houston over San Diego in 4

Houston over Chicago in 6


World Series
Boston over Houston in 6
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I knew you'd put # of projected wins, Darkelf.
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As usual, virtually no one picks the Giants to make the playoffs, or to even do that well. We know how well that usually works out.
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Anaheim with only 84 wins with that lineup and pitching? That's a bit low, no?
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Originally posted by Quake1028
Anaheim with only 84 wins with that lineup and pitching? That's a bit low, no?
Their pitching is nothing compared to the A's.
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