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Old 12-02-02, 03:02 PM
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Thome signs with Phillies

Reports are floating in that Thome has signed for the money. 6 years, $87M + Option year 7. Phils have now made over their infield into a very strong starting 5. Thome, Polanco, Rollins, Bell, Lieberthal. This also helps firm up the batting order,

Rollins
Polanco
Abreu
Burrell
Thome
Lieberthal
Bell
Byrd
Pitcher

Phils are starting to look good...
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great news for the phillies
not as good of news for us braves fans
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Re: Thome signs with Phillies

Originally posted by wlmowery
Reports are floating in that Thome has signed for the money. 6 years, $87M + Option year 7. Phils have now made over their infield into a very strong starting 5. Thome, Polanco, Rollins, Bell, Lieberthal. This also helps firm up the batting order,

Rollins
Polanco
Abreu
Burrell
Thome
Lieberthal
Bell
Byrd
Pitcher

Phils are starting to look good...
I can't remember the last time the Phillies had this good a lineup.

What about the reports that the Phillies are considering moving Abreu (and his .400+ OBP) to the leadoff spot?
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Wow, I think they are one quality pitcher away from being a serious contender.
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Damn, in my well over 20 years of being a die-hard fan of them, I don't think it has ever been harder then right now to be a Mets fan. Phillies go out & get an absolute monster of an offensive player(& along w. Bagwell my favorite non-Met baseball player). The Braves go out & pick up Hampton for pretty much nothing who will pitch very good as a Brave plus they will probably resign Maddux & the Mets sit on their buts & do nothing but toy around w. their coaching staff.

Even though I'm against the signing, this IMO makes it absolutely mandatory for the Mets to sign Glavine, just b/c of the fact that the fans will kill them for doing nothing while their 2 main rivals are making blockbuster moves.

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Old 12-02-02, 03:16 PM
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Re: Re: Thome signs with Phillies

Originally posted by DarkElf
I can't remember the last time the Phillies had this good a lineup.

What about the reports that the Phillies are considering moving Abreu (and his .400+ OBP) to the leadoff spot?
I doubt it will happen. Abreu is a prototypical 3 hole hitter, speed, power and contact. I think Rollins can be molded into a better leadoff hitter by concentrating on putting the ball on the ground more often (too many shallow flys last year). And if he does not work out, CF Prospect Marlon Byrd may fit there as well.

Now the remaining concern is the pitching staff. Signing Glavine would be nice, but 3 years scares me slightly. The Bullpen needs some serious help, but I believe that Kerrigan can assemble a working pen from the scrap heap that is available....

Nice to approach Spring Training with at least a hope of winning the division....
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Originally posted by JNielsen
Wow, I think they are one quality pitcher away from being a serious contender.
And an entire Bullpen.
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As an Indian fan, I can only say, Thank You. Would have been a terrible sign for the Tribe. Good Luck in Philly Jim.
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Originally posted by Sessa17
Damn, in my well over 20 years of being a die-hard fan of them, I don't think it has ever been harder then right now to be a Mets fan. Phillies go out & get an absolute monster of an offensive player(& along w. Bagwell my favorite non-Met baseball player). The Braves go out & pick up Hampton for pretty much nothing who will pitch very good as a Brave plus they will probably resign Maddux & the Mets sit on their buts & do nothing but toy around w. their coaching staff.

Even though I'm against the signing, this IMO makes it absolutely mandatory for the Mets to sign Glavine, just b/c of the fact that the fans will kill them for doing nothing while their 2 main rivals are making blockbuster moves.
I'm a diehard Mets fan too, but this doesn't bother me much. Did you think the Mets should sign him for that much? No way. Should the Mets have dealy for Hampton? Wasn't going to happen. The Mets are after Glavine, so we'll see. The Mets may also go after Maddux if Glavine falls through. Plus, the Mets may work that deal for Neagle.

Sit tight. Last year everyone was singing Phillips' praises after the moves he made, and they ended up in the cellar. Moves aren't everything, on-field performance is. And making moves just because others are is a very poor strategy, IMO.
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If I was a team with money to spend I would have waited and gone after some of these players over the next couple of years. There are going to be very few teams with money and a lot of young quality players possibly available.



Potential free agents at the end of the 2003 season
Kevin Milwood, Atl., RHP, 29*
Sidney Ponson, Bal., RHP, 27*
Bartolo Colon, Mon., RHP, 29*
Livan Hernandez, S.F., RHP, 29*
Kirk Rueter, S.F., LHP, 33*
Andy Pettitte, NYY, LHP, 32*
Pedro Astacio, NYM, RHP, 34*
Randy Johnson, Ari., LHP, 41*
Danny Graves, Cin., RHP, 31*
Keith Foulke, CWS, RHP, 31*
Kelvim Escobar, Tor., RHP, 28*
Scott Sullivan, Cin., RHP, 33*
Armando Benitez, NYM, RHP, 31*
Eddie Guardado, Min., LHP, 34*
Mike Williams, Pit., RHP, 34*
Javy Lopez, Atl., C, 33*
Luis Castillo, Fla., 2B, 29*
Fernando Vina, St. L., 2B, 35*
Craig Biggio, Hou., 2B, 38*
Miguel Tejada, Oak., SS, 28*
Rich Aurilia, S.F., SS, 33*
Roberto Alomar, NYM, 2B, 38*
Jose Cruz, Tor., 0F, 30*
Vladimir Guerrero, Mon., OF, 28*
Shannon Stewart, Tor., OF, 30*
Mike Cameron, Sea., 0F, 31*
* Opening Day age in 2004


Potential free agents at the end of the 2004 season
Kerry Wood, ChC, RHP, 28*
Matt Clement, ChC, RHP, 31*
Ryan Dempster, Cin., RHP, 28*
Odalis Perez, L.A., LHP, 27*
Javier Vazquez, Mon., RHP, 29*
Pedro Martinez, Bos., RHP, 34*
Derek Lowe, Bos., RHP, 31*
Curt Schilling, Ari., RHP, 38*
Matt Morris, St. L., RHP, 31*
Kris Benson, Pit., RHP, 30*
Russ Ortiz, S.F., RHP, 31*
Eric Milton, Min., LHP, 30*
Brad Radke, Min., RHP, 32*
Freddy Garcia, Sea., RHP, 29*
Scott Williamson, Cin., RHP, 29*
Bobby Howry, Bos., RHP, 32*
Jose Jimenez, Col., RHP, 32*
Braden Looper, Fla., RHP, 30*
Felix Rodriguez, S.F., RHP, 31*
Troy Percival, Ana., RHP, 36*
Robb Nen, S.F., RHP, 35*
Mariano Rivera, NYY, RHP, 35*
Jason Varitek, Bos., C, 33*
Paul Konerko, ChW, 1B, 29*
Derrek Lee, Fla., 1B, 30*
Richie Sexson, Mil., 1B, 30*
Carlos Delgado, Tor., 1B-DH, 32*
Jose Vidro, Mon., 2B, 31*
Mike Lowell, Fla., 3B, 31*
Corey Koskie, Min., 3B, 32*
Eric Chavez, Oak., 3B, 27*
Adrian Beltre, L.A., 3B, 26*
Aaron Boone, Cin., 3B, 32*
Troy Glaus, Ana., 3B, 28*
Cristian Guzman, Min., SS, 27*
Orlando Cabrera, Mon., SS, 30*
Nomar Garciaparra, Bos., SS, 32*
Trot Nixon, Bos., OF, 31*
Carlos Beltran, K.C., OF, 28*
J.D. Drew, St. L., OF, 29*
Magglio Ordonez, ChW, OF, 31*
Garret Anderson, Ana., OF, 33*
Geoff Jenkins, Mil., OF, 31*
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Fast foward 3 or 4 years... Phillies will regret signing an aging 1B with back problems.

These next two years are their best chance at the World Series.

Bud Smith, Brandon Duckworth, Vicente Padilla, Brett Myers, Randy Wolf, Carlos Silva.... at least 4 of the 6 guys will be pretty darn good...

Biggest question - will Larry Bowa tear this team apart?
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YES!!!!

Did they pay too much for Thome? Probably.
Did they need his kind of presence in the clubhouse and in that batting order? Absolutely.

The Phils are legitimately one top-notch pitcher away from serious potential in the NL East. But I'm not one that believes Tommy Glavine is that pitcher.
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Originally posted by Ranger02
Fast foward 3 or 4 years... Phillies will regret signing an aging 1B with back problems.

These next two years are their best chance at the World Series.

Bud Smith, Brandon Duckworth, Vicente Padilla, Brett Myers, Randy Wolf, Carlos Silva.... at least 4 of the 6 guys will be pretty darn good...

Biggest question - will Larry Bowa tear this team apart?
I agree completely. I don't think Thome was worth the money or the risk, he should have at least 2 or 3 great years for them though.

I think this year will be the Phils' best chance to win a series. The Mets will be better than last year and Atlanta will be good, but neither of these teams will be a serious Series threat. The NL West will probably be down this year while the Central will be better than last (almost can't be worse).
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Oh what will happen to poor Travis Lee???

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What team wouldn't want a .255 hitter with 17 HR a year power?
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Old 12-03-02, 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Ralph Wiggum
What team wouldn't want a .255 hitter with 17 HR a year power?
He'd probably be the Tigers' best hitter Unfortunately for Philly, they have enough 1B already.
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Good news for us Twins fans
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The Phillies are actually trying to trade Lee and Marlon Anderson for some badly needed bullpen help. If that doesn't work, they won't tender them offers and use that to free up some more cash. For the first time probably ever, I can't wait for baseball season..and it's December.
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Originally posted by Ralph Wiggum
What team wouldn't want a .255 hitter with 17 HR a year power?
There have got to be some takers out there for a youngster with a great glove at 1B and the potential to be a pretty good power hitter.
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There have got to be some takers out there for a youngster with a great glove at 1B and the potential to be a pretty good power hitter.
potential? He's had what, 4 years in the league now. He's proven nothing more than that he has a horrible work ethic. Why do you think the D-backs dumped him and why the Phillies jumped at the chance to sign Thome?
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I really don't blame him for taking that much money to play in Philly - it has to be all about the money if your going to play there... but what I really can't believe is that they gave him more than a three-year deal!
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