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View Poll Results: Should Pete Rose Be In The Hall Of Fame?
Yes, His stats are amazing 106 59.89%
Yes, if he admits and/or apologizes 14 7.91%
No, his actions are inexcusable 52 29.38%
only if he takes twikoff with him 5 2.82%
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Old 05-14-02, 12:36 PM   #1
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Should Pete Rose Be In The Hall Of Fame?

based on his numbers while he was a player.. no way in hell anyone could justify him not making it

based on his actions after he retired.... well.. you make the call
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Old 05-14-02, 12:40 PM   #2
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No way no how. He broke the cardinal rule of the game - the only rule that is posted in every clubhouse in the majors. I don't care if he did not bet against his team. He bet on his team when he was manager. That certainly could have an effect on the season (and his game to game strategy) as a whole for the Reds.
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Old 05-14-02, 12:50 PM   #3
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No way no how. He broke the cardinal rule of the game - the only rule that is posted in every clubhouse in the majors. I don't care if he did not bet against his team. He bet on his team when he was manager. That certainly could have an effect on the season (and his game to game strategy) as a whole for the Reds.


What is often overlooked is that integrity holds as much importance as performance. It's not if you win, it's how you play the game. Along with effort, playing by the rules is paramount.

It is disappointing, however, that a player who embodied so many positive qualities failed at such an essential level.
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Old 05-14-02, 12:53 PM   #4
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does it matter that it is only speculation that he may have bet on his own team?

we know he placed bets
we think he placed bets on baseball
we assume he placed bets on his own team

who knows the real story? will it all end up depending on who the commish is.. and we know bud doesnt like him, so it depends on who comes next?
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Old 05-14-02, 12:54 PM   #5
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No freakin' way.

He disgraced the game. Gambling is a horrible cancer in sports, and any association to it by a player or member of management should be banned, with no opportunity to return.

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Old 05-14-02, 01:02 PM   #6
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Old 05-14-02, 01:04 PM   #7
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Jordan got caught gambling on sports.. should he be left out of the hall of fame? or should he have been banned from basketball?

anyone want to even try to imagine how many sports stars gamble?

if its not on your own team, is it really that big of a deal.. especially, considering its done legally?
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Old 05-14-02, 01:06 PM   #8
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Jordan got caught gambling on sports.. should he be left out of the hall of fame? or should he have been banned from basketball?

anyone want to even try to imagine how many sports stars gamble?

if its not on your own team, is it really that big of a deal.. especially, considering its done legally?
Jordan gambling on golf, not basketball. Big difference.
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Old 05-14-02, 01:07 PM   #9
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Jordan gambling on golf, not basketball. Big difference.
and its only speculated that pete gambled on baseball

btw.. how do we know that jordan didnt gamble on basketball?
I could speculate that he did
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if its not on your own team, is it really that big of a deal.. especially, considering its done legally?

The point is moot with Rose since he did bet on the Reds. Nonetheless, it could be a big deal if done illegally as Rose did (I know you said legally). If you get into a serious amount of debt with illegal bookmakers, that could lead to scenario of throwing a game to 'pay' off the debt. I have to believe that this had happened in professional and college sports in the past.
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Old 05-14-02, 01:11 PM   #11
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and its only speculated that pete gambled on baseball

btw.. how do we know that jordan didnt gamble on basketball?
I could speculate that he did
The evidence presented to the commisioner was enough for him to show that Rose was betting on baseball, including the Reds. It was so compelling that Rose accepted the ban. Now he's not happy with it. I would have to assume that that evidence is still in Selig's office, or else he would consider rescinding the ban.

Jordan was investigated by Stern, and was found not to have gambled on basketball.
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and its only speculated that pete gambled on baseball

I think there is compelling evidence that Pete bet on MLB games and Reds games from 1985-87 in the Dowd report.
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I want to know, how in the name of Ty Cobb, can the powers that run baseball, justify keeping Pete Rose out of the "Hall".
This community of moral giants, one and all, who, in their own greedy, petty, egotistical way.....had the gall to CANCEL THE WORLD SERIES.
And they say Pete is unfit to be in the Hall. They let Steve Howe (banished 11 times for drugs) back in the game. They turn their eyes, quite conveniently, away from any number of wife-beaters, and drug addicts, every day. Because it pleases their wallets. Very few of these kids now playing, have the talent to carry Pete's jock strap....but...the're IN, and he's OUT. I say THEY are not fit to sit in judgment of anyone. They were great at robbing America's kid's and adults alike, of the 1994 baseball season. Please help me put a stop to this injustice. Don't let them rob Pete Rose and ALL his fans, young and old, from seeing the most consistent ballplayer of modern times, go to the Hall of Fame, where he belongs.


and you know its true.. you can kill a man, beat your wife, get thrown in jail repeatedly for drugs.. and never get near the punishment that you get for gambling
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Old 05-14-02, 01:22 PM   #14
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Why isn't Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame?

As stated in the National Baseball Hall of Fame's Rules for Election, "any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate" for consideration by the Baseball Writers' Association of America (BBWAA) or the Baseball Hall of Fame Committee on Baseball Veterans. Pete Rose was placed on Major League Baseball's ineligible list in 1989 by Commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti. In order for Rose to become eligible to Hall of Fame voters, the following criteria must be met:
He must apply to the office of the Commissioner for reinstatment to Major League Baseball.
He must be reinstated by the Office of the Commissioner.
He would then be an eligible Hall of Fame candidate for the BBWAA Screening Committee. (See rule 3 of the rules for election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame by members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America.)
If Pete Rose were to be placed on the BBWAA ballot, he would have to receive votes on at least seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast in any one election to be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

Throughout his career, Pete Rose was a generous supporter of the National Baseball Hall of Fame, donating more than 20 artifacts to the Museum's collections. Many of these artifacts are on display in the Museum.
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Old 05-14-02, 01:23 PM   #15
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and you know its true.. you can kill a man, beat your wife, get thrown in jail repeatedly for drugs.. and never get near the punishment that you get for gambling

While these things are terrible and probably even worse from a macro-perspective, but these things do not directly effect the integrity of the game. Plus it is not just gambling in general. Steve Howe and Straw did nothing to harm the integrity of the game.

Now by cancelling the WS, my argument would be that none of the owners who were around in 1994 should ever make the HOF. They ruined the integrity of the game as well. Of course, they can't ban themselves, unfortunately.
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and you know its true.. you can kill a man, beat your wife, get thrown in jail repeatedly for drugs.. and never get near the punishment that you get for gambling
Beating your wife, doing drugs, etc. are terrible crimes, yes. But they do not affect the integrity of the game as gambling does. Drugs and spousal abuse are criminal matters. Performance-enhancing drugs are the only ones that effect the game, and on a much smaller scale than gambling 9and they are also dealt with by the commisioner's office)

Gambling on your own sport is seedy to the nth degree.
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The evidence presented to the commisioner was enough for him to show that Rose was betting on baseball, including the Reds. It was so compelling that Rose accepted the ban. Now he's not happy with it. I would have to assume that that evidence is still in Selig's office, or else he would consider rescinding the ban.
but everyone knew that Giamatti and Rose never got along.. and Bud is just a moron.
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Gambling on your own sport is seedy to the nth degree.
alleged gambling on your own sport
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alleged gambling on your own sport
Gambling on your own sport.
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Now by cancelling the WS, my argument would be that none of the owners who were around in 1994 should ever make the HOF. They ruined the integrity of the game as well. Of course, they can't ban themselves, unfortunately.
the player's strikes have hurt the game more then any one man every could.. maybe they should ban every player from the strike
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Gambling on your own sport.
well shoot.. you should go public with your evidence.. you would be famous
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Old 05-14-02, 01:29 PM   #23
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well shoot.. you should go public with your evidence.. you would be famous
It's called a gag order
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but everyone knew that Giamatti and Rose never got along.. and Bud is just a moron.

Fay Vincent accepts the report as well, as he should, given how compelling the evidence is. That is 3 commissioners (morons included) who believe Pete is guilty.
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well shoot.. you should go public with your evidence.. you would be famous

The evidence is public. It is all in the Dowd Report which is available on the net.
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