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Old 02-13-25 | 12:15 PM
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Captain America: Brave New World (2025, D: Onah) -- S: Mackie, Ford -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread





Anthony Mackie returns as the high-flying hero Sam Wilson, who’s officially taken up the mantle of Captain America. After meeting with newly elected U.S. President Thaddeus Ross, Sam finds himself in the middle of an international incident. He must discover the reason behind a nefarious global plot before the true mastermind has the entire world seeing red.



Running Time: 118 minutes

There is 1 post credit scene

RT score: 51%

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/cap...rave_new_world

Again, if you don't understand how an RT score works, it's not a grade. It means 51% of the certified rotten tomatoes critics gave it a positive score.

There are a couple of Fan Event IMAX screenings today at Regal and AMC. But, at least for AMC, they don't accept A-List, so you'll need to pay out of pocket.








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Re: Captain America: Brave New World (2025, D: Onah) -- S: Mackie, Ford -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

https://www.vulture.com/article/insi...roduction.html

Anonymous crew member spoke out about this problematic production:


This is a good read. He said Ford was a really cranky old man and difficult to work with.

Was planning to see it tonight. But, it's raining all day in my area. So I'm holding off until tomorrow.

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Re: Captain America: Brave New World (2025, D: Onah) -- S: Mackie, Ford -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

It feels like this movie is the latest target of the internet hate parade, because while it's not top tier Marvel, neither is it their worst film. It's a bit choppy and certainly has flaws but unlike Quantumania or The Eternals didn't feel like a complete miss.

What I liked
* Mackie is a solid Captain America IMHO, and I'm apparently one of the few who quite liked the Disney series, so it was good to see him firmly step into the role.
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The Leader
has always been one of my favourite villains and it's great to see him get some screen time.
* I like that it's a quasi sequel to The Incredible Hulk, one of the more underrated MCU-ish movies.
* Harrison Ford at bloody 82 years old is still as reliable as ever, and gives Ross a lot more depth than William Hurt did in a more cartoony portrayal.
* Some very good action scenes, including the ocean battle and the final conflict.

What I didn't.
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Ruth Bat-Seraph's character never really worked for me. Radically reworked from the Israeli superhero Sabra, she felt weirdly out of place. And this is an odd nitpick but the actress looks to be about 12 years old and 4 foot tall which really kept knocking me out of the action.
* Too many cooks in the pie - Giancarlo Esposito does what he can but Sidewinder was a weird choice and a waste of a decent comics character and group - why give the name and drop the Serpent Society if you're not going to have dudes running around dressed up as snakes, for crying out loud?
* Why introduce Adamantium and do nothing with it? Getting more than a little tired of the endless MCU breadcrumbs to plotlines that may never be followed up again. (Clea, Hercules, Black Knight, and many others say hi.)
* I did like the Red Hulk/Cap battle but honestly Cap took far more punishment than one could believably accept, even with his fancy shield and wings. It defied belief he'd walk away from that.



What I was "meh" about.
* Didn't really think much of the new Falcon, who just felt too try-hard.
* It attempted to sort of imitate the Winter Soldier's conspiracy plotline, but compared to the finely honed machine of that film (still top 3 MCU) it was all a little choppy. I keep hearing about reshoots and the five writers on the film definitely give it all a bit of a mish-mash of tones.

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Old 02-13-25 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by The Antipodean
It feels like this movie is the latest target of the internet hate parade, because while it's not top tier Marvel, neither is it their worst film.
Agreed. And I'll just keep things brief by saying that this almost felt like a direct sequel to The Incredible Hulk too. And while The Antipodean might disagree, I wouldn't mind seeing more of "Tiny Widow"
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Re: Captain America: Brave New World (2025, D: Onah) -- S: Mackie, Ford -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

Agree with all of The Antipodean‘s comments above other than Bat-Seraph's character worked for me.

This was on the high end of what I expected though that’s still 3 to 3 and a half stars.


Most worthless post credit sequence ever? Feel like there have been a few that were just as bad but they generally also had a slightly better mid credit scene. This one was not worth staying for.

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Old 02-14-25 | 06:27 AM
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Re: Captain America: Brave New World (2025, D: Onah) -- S: Mackie, Ford -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

I went with 3 stars thou thought about giving it 3.5. Yes to feeling like a sequel to The Incredible Hulk.

Certainly not as bad as the reviews were saying but just a middle of the road MCU film. Easily last place of the CA films. I just don't buy Captain America without the serum. He can't be in the Wakanda armor all the time and he is too vulnerable without it. I agree with Antipodean that the Red Hulk fight was good but no way he could survive that onslaught even with the armor.

No problem with Bat-Seraph's character... Now that their control is gone, Widows are a good resource.

This sums it up for me... Most of the MCU films (especially Endgame and before) I would want to catch a second time (at least) in the theater. This one... I'll wait for D+.
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Easily the worst dialogue in recent memory for a big release. Like every single line is just a plain, cliched statement of an event or feeling.

Also feels like a big budget, adult Power Rangers movies, BUT... I dug that aspect of it? I really liked Cap's action sequences, because you finally have a character who feels like it's a real dude struggling. The John McLane of the MCU, if you will. And then all of his gadgets are creative. Part Sentai, part Rocketeer, part Batman, I had fun with those sequences.

And I like the intersection of superheroes with geopolitics. That sort of grounding contrasts the campiness of the other stuff in a pretty neat way, I felt.

Bat-Seraph was fine, but man people complaining about "no-serum" when she's like 4'11", 80lbs, flipping around powerlifters in body armor without even breathing heavy.

I agree with like a 3.3/5
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Bat-Seraph was fine, but man people complaining about "no-serum" when she's like 4'11", 80lbs, flipping around powerlifters in body armor without even breathing heavy.
Didn't The Antipodean complain about exactly that? No one is giving her a free pass, I think.
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Spoiler filled review.

Long story short: he felt that Sam Wilson's Captain America deserved a better movie.
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This is my summary of the movie:

Thunderbolt Ross: I need this treaty.

Sam: I should've taken the damn super soldier serum.

Thunderbolt Ross: You're endangering the treaty.

Joaquin: Why is original Captain America so OLD?

Thunderbolt Ross: I want to make love to my treaty.

Leader: I am a genius.

Thunderbolt Ross: The treaty knows more.

Leader: Show everyone who you really are.

Thunderbolt Ross (turning into Red Hulk): TREATY!!!!!!

Isaiah Bradley: I got a haircut.

Thunderbolt Ross: Treaty.

Sam: I'm not Steve Rogers.

Thunderbolt Ross: Even in jail, I got the treaty signed.
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I thought it was kind of bad. I still gave it 2 stars but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't a marvel fan. I saw it in IMAX (really Regal LieMAX) and thought it looked really bad, like it was a DVD blow up to a huge screen; lost of blurry scenes. I don't know if this was only my theater, though.
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Didn't The Antipodean complain about exactly that? No one is giving her a free pass, I think.
Elsewhere (Letterboxd, TikTok) she's gotten some praise (which sure, the actor herself is fine). Also don't exactly think one person mentioning it is equivalent to the dozens of people I've seen bitch about the serum
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2.5/5 stars for me. I enjoyed it well enough, but some parts were rough.

“Tiny Widow” (I like that name) didn’t work for me. Something was off about her (might have been chewing on her words or the constant head tilt).

I like Sam Wilson as CA, no arguments from me, and this edition of Ross was okay and I really dug “Hulk Ford.”

I like The Leader character, but would have preferred the lightbulb shaped head instead of the infected look.

Sidewinder was useless.

Loved the inclusion of Celestial Island.

Last thought… did Liv Tyler look digitally dropped in at the end? Something was off about that.

Oh, and the stinger was useless. Tell us something we don’t know next time.
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Elsewhere (Letterboxd, TikTok) she's gotten some praise (which sure, the actor herself is fine). Also don't exactly think one person mentioning it is equivalent to the dozens of people I've seen bitch about the serum
Gotcha. I just thought you meant here. All I noticed of her in this thread was the mention of her silly power level (given her miniscule size). I just figured she barely registered but Sam did, given he's the protagonist, and thus he got the brunt of the complaints.
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Saw it with a friend and we both liked it. Both of us had an idea of a troubled production with poor early reviews, but we were pleasantly surprised.

Didn't know the Leader was going to be in it, so that was a fun reveal for me.

Felt like there were a few jokes early that didn't land, but the laughs picked up as the movie went on (especially the conversation with Bucky and Isiah's final scene).

The thing that bothered me the most was the presented risk of Isiah being executed within a matter of days.

Originally Posted by DaveNinja
I thought it was kind of bad. I still gave it 2 stars but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't a marvel fan. I saw it in IMAX (really Regal LieMAX) and thought it looked really bad, like it was a DVD blow up to a huge screen; lost of blurry scenes. I don't know if this was only my theater, though.
Saw it in real IMAX and the only scenes that were really bad were at the end battle island with the cherry trees.

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I like The Leader character, but would have preferred the lightbulb shaped head instead of the infected look.
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Oh, and the stinger was useless. Tell us something we don’t know next time.
Agree with both of these.
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Gotcha. I just thought you meant here. All I noticed of her in this thread was the mention of her silly power level (given her miniscule size). I just figured she barely registered but Sam did, given he's the protagonist, and thus he got the brunt of the complaints.
Yeah, I have to imagine she had a larger role that was cut in light of real life geopolitics.
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Yeah, I have to imagine she had a larger role that was cut in light of real life geopolitics.
I read that she was based on Sabra (can't say I was familiar with the character until the movie was announced), but the character got rewritten and her screentime reduced during one of the many rounds of reshoots. Probably why Sidewinder was added, to fill up the vacant runtime.

Does this movie make any reference to Thunderbolts*? I ask because, as I recall, in the comics the team is Ross' brainchild and named after him.
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I just got back from seeing it in IMAX. A nice Friday night crowd. Probably about 70% full. Anyway, I'm not going to compose a long rambling review. I'll keep my thoughts short. I enjoyed it and give it a B and 3 5 out of 5 stars.

Mackie was funny and charismatic as Cap. I wasn't too crazy about Danny Ramirez as the new Falcon. There were some good action sequences, especially the Indian ocean sequence.

And yes, there were mentions of The Incredible Hulk and a loose end from Eternals. And if you did not watch The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, you wouldn't know who Isaiah Bradley is. But, I don't think you would be completely lost.

My auditorium gave a big applause, Oh shit, to the Bucky cameo. And that was a nice moment to see Buck and Sam together again.

I would have much preferred Sam Elliott reprising his role as Ross. Harrison Ford was okay, but I kept seeing James Marshall from Air Force One. And his "turn" was explained as he OD'd on meds keeping him alive that was filled with Gamma radiation.

And yes the post credit scene really added nothing. Just exposition.

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^ Exposition on there being a multiverse — something we’ve all seen numerous times already in the MCU.
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Does this movie make any reference to Thunderbolts*? I ask because, as I recall, in the comics the team is Ross' brainchild and named after him.
It doesn't and I was pretty surprised that there wasn't a post-credits scene with JLD speaking to Ford or Bucky about "another Ross initiative" or something
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It doesn't and I was pretty surprised that there wasn't a post-credits scene with JLD speaking to Ford or Bucky about "another Ross initiative" or something
So, despite all the reshoots, instead of a direct segue into the next movie, they opted for "Something, Something, Something, Multiverse"?
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This movie was odd. For some reason it just felt so low energy. Partially due to Harrison Ford’s age showing, but also just generally. It felt very phoned in.

I like Anthony Mackie as Sam/Cap so no problems there. It just didn’t feel like a big MCU movie. It felt more like something that should have been on Disney+ but got a theatrical release.

Not awful and I’m not upset I saw it but just very mid tier. I’d agree with around three stars.
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Re: Captain America: Brave New World (2025, D: Onah) -- S: Mackie, Ford -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

I actually liked how small it felt. No sky beam. No giant endless fights. Even the hulk fight was kept short. Cap and Falcon fight 2 Jets and it felt like a huge task for them.

I enjoyed it and it wasn't bad as the Internet was hoping for.
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I don’t mind smaller scale. It just felt really small scale. Like tv show level. That’s fine if it had been for Disney+ or something but it just didn’t feel worthy of a theatrical release in some ways.
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I don’t mind smaller scale. It just felt really small scale. Like tv show level. That’s fine if it had been for Disney+ or something but it just didn’t feel worthy of a theatrical release in some ways.
Yeah it looked cheap. Poorly lit. All looked shot on soundstage.
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