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Old 09-07-06 | 01:00 PM
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HD DVD calibration question

I'm connecting the RCA player to a Toshiba CRT display via HDMI (analog adio). I don't have DVE or AVIA, so I'm using the THX Optimizer. On the blackness test I can only see 7 boxes of black not 10 or the shaddow. Is this black crush? Anyone have any suggestions?

Oh, RCA has only released firmware 1.4 so far.

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Old 09-07-06 | 02:58 PM
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There is btb and wtw clipping on these players over HDMI with any firmware under 2.0.

Head over here to download the 2.0 "bootleg": http://rapidshare.de/files/30453167/...mware.nrg.html
Old 09-07-06 | 03:39 PM
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Thanks Super. I'm a bit nervous about using a "bootleg". I just don't want to mess up my system. I know they are techically the same but I wonder if being an RCA would affect the bootleg's compatability.
Old 09-07-06 | 03:42 PM
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FWIW, I downloaded the bootleg the day it was put up, and had no problems with it. The official version came out and had the same numbers, so I never bothered to change to the official. Not one single problem, and many tangible benefits.

I suggest going to AVS and reading up on people who have used the bootleg on their RCA. Either that or live with the clipping until RCA updates their servers.
Old 09-07-06 | 03:53 PM
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I did the 2.0 "bootleg" because my ethernet was acting weird. worked great! Any funny enough, it fixed my ethernet

FYI: FW update via disc takes 10-15 minutes, it takes hours over ethernet for some reason.
Old 09-07-06 | 04:02 PM
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FYI: FW update via disc takes 10-15 minutes, it takes hours over ethernet for some reason.
That, and the fact that I don't own a single HD DVD that uses TrueHD at this point, is the main reason I'm waiting for my CD to arrive.
Old 09-07-06 | 04:19 PM
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You may not find a DVD to give a perfect calibration once you switch to playing an HDDVD since they use different color systems. If it doesn't work great for you, try mixing in the HD test screens from HDNet, if you get that channel. That wouldn't be perfect, either since it comes through a different machine, cable box or whatever, but it's an option.

Hopefully there will be an HDDVD calibration disc sometime soon.
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DVE is working on an HD/BD calibration disc.
Old 09-07-06 | 06:36 PM
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Just installed firmware 2.0. Thanks again Super. But, I seem to still be having Black clipping issues according to the THX Optimser. Any ideas?
Old 09-07-06 | 06:51 PM
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For some people 2.0 didn't resolve the clipping, for others it did. The only other option is to use component, which works fine for HD DVDs, but you cannot upconvert your SD DVDs like that.
Old 09-07-06 | 10:53 PM
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I just ordered a Toshiba player and it's on its way so I've been reading up today. I'm a little concerned about this black crush issue since I've been seeing quite a few people talking about it being a significant problem when going HDMI>DVI with 2.0 but not with 1.2.

I don't know what version my unit will arrive with but the DVI thing worries me and the fact you can't revert back from 2.0. I have a Mits 65819 with component 1080i in only so it won't be an issue at first. Later this fall I should have an upgrade coming that will give me DVI on the TV and I'd like to use it so I can get the SD upconversion.

This leaves me with the puzzle as to if I should upgrade my firmware or not. What advantages does it give to a component user?
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It gives you DolbyTruHD and improved 720p resolution.

Again, the black crush issue isn't on every setup. I use DVI and 2.0 eliminated my black crush.
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Looks like I'm going to go w/componant as it gets my BTB acording to THX. Will this loose me an picture quality on HDVDs? I know I can't up convert, but my TV displays everything in 1080i anyway. So, I don't think I'll be hurting to much.
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It has no effect on HD DVDs.
Old 09-08-06 | 09:13 AM
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It gives you DolbyTruHD and improved 720p resolution.

Again, the black crush issue isn't on every setup. I use DVI and 2.0 eliminated my black crush.
Thanks. That's a mixed bag for me because my Mits is 480/1080 with no 720 and I do want DolbyTruHD. I think I'll roam around the Mits forum and see what people that have DVI are seeing with this unit if I can find anything. I'm leaning towards loading 2.0.
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Looks like I'm going to go w/componant as it gets my BTB acording to THX. Will this loose me an picture quality on HDVDs?
The A1's component output is a little softer than its HDMI.
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What is black crush?
What is blacker than black?
What is whiter than white?

If I have to ask, should I not worry about it? [No, I don't have an HDDVD player yet; I would be using HDMI -> DVI].
Old 09-08-06 | 10:33 AM
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DeepDiscountDVD has the DVE HD available for pre-order. They have a release date of 11/14 although I'm not sure how accurate that date is.
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Originally Posted by dtcarson
What is black crush?
What is blacker than black?
What is whiter than white?

If I have to ask, should I not worry about it? [No, I don't have an HDDVD player yet; I would be using HDMI -> DVI].
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=460

Blacker than black and whiter than white are the ranges outside of the NTSC system I described in that post.
Old 09-08-06 | 11:35 PM
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I just tested my system w/componant. I must have had colorspace issues with HDMI as well, because now the menu on the A1 changes colors depending on what tier I'm on. Rewatched som e of Pitch Black-WOW. I was amazed.

Also, I got new speakers today (Infinity 750's) to replace HTIB. I was completely blown away. Hooray for HD DVD!!
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I'm experiencing Black Crush on my setup. Frown.
Old 09-09-06 | 07:51 AM
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Which firmware do you have, and how are you connected?
Old 09-09-06 | 08:46 AM
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I think I must be experiencing it also. I Netflixed Borune Supremacy and noticed some dark scenes that lost all detail. I also notice a ghosting sort of image once in awhile when a very light area is in a dark area. The ghosting image will carry over to the next scene. An example would be car head lights at night. If the car is moving, I briefly see a trail.

I have the HD A1 (2.0) connected via HDMI to a Sony 34" XBR970
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Which firmware do you have, and how are you connected?
v2.0 and connected via a HDMI-DVI connection to my Sony KV-34-HS510 TV.
Old 09-09-06 | 09:32 AM
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The HDMI-DVI bug is fairly well known. Have you tried componant?


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