Are the movies really dying?
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Are the movies really dying?
This opinion piece titled "The death wish of cinema" by Robert Fulford appeared in today's National Post: http://www.canada.com/national/natio...d-07bc2c5980c7 (Toronto, Ontario, Canada) .
In many ways it's a rehash of what many posters have been saying lately in this discusion board: The films are getting lousier, If I wanted comic strips I would read comic strips, The movie theatre experience is getting awful, It's more fun to watch DVDs in a home theatre, Why do movie studios think we're all morons? and Why won't the young ones learn good manners and leave their cellphones at home?
It's very unusual that a National Post piece is offered free to the public but I'm reproducing it here anyway. I also wonder why, while movies arguably suck more than they ever sucked before, there appears to be no relief on the DVD front either when the highlight of a good DVD week is a Hercules boxset...
(Not that there's anything wrong with Hercules movies, mind you.)
In many ways it's a rehash of what many posters have been saying lately in this discusion board: The films are getting lousier, If I wanted comic strips I would read comic strips, The movie theatre experience is getting awful, It's more fun to watch DVDs in a home theatre, Why do movie studios think we're all morons? and Why won't the young ones learn good manners and leave their cellphones at home?
It's very unusual that a National Post piece is offered free to the public but I'm reproducing it here anyway. I also wonder why, while movies arguably suck more than they ever sucked before, there appears to be no relief on the DVD front either when the highlight of a good DVD week is a Hercules boxset...
The death wish of cinema
Who's to blame for Hollywood's box-office blues?
Robert Fulford
National Post
Tuesday, July 19, 2005
When commercials started appearing in North American movie theatres, about two decades ago, some of us saw them as a discourteous intrusion and considered it our duty to hiss at them. This did no good, of course, but those futile little scenes of the 1980s came to mind this season when the disastrous news about recent movie attendance began appearing.
Audiences may be increasing slightly during the long heat wave, but for 19 weeks in a row, through all of the spring and much of the summer, fewer North Americans went to the movies than during the same period in 2004; and 2004 was worse than 2003. For the movie business, it was the longest losing streak in two decades, part of a downward trend that may be worse in Canada than in the United States. Even Albertans, whom Statistics Canada calls "Canada's most avid moviegoers," are showing up less often at the box office.
We can hardly blame it all on commercials. DVDs (which now appear only four months after a film opens), televised movies-on-demand and the competition of the Internet have all helped empty the theatres. The low level of recent Hollywood filmmaking may have had more effect than anything else. The list of movies that have recently arrived, or are soon to come, sounds like an industry-wide confession of creative bankruptcy. There's a new Batman, a new Herbie, an adaptation of the Bewitched TV series, another Pink Panther, a fourth version of The Bad News Bears, etc. It looks like a failure of nerve among the people running the studios. They are slowly moving toward a new house rule: Produce nothing that hasn't been produced before.
But the commercials were an early symbol of disdain. They seemed to demonstrate that theatre operators are like little children, forever trying to figure out how much they can get away with. Raise the ticket prices. Put more commercials on the screen with the sound jacked up to infuriating levels. Apply airport pricing to the concession stand (you have to pay this much because you can't go elsewhere). Cut the cleaning staff and leave the theatres dirty.
Advertising increased on the principle of creeping tolerance. If we put up with two commercials for a while, why not give us three? If we kept coming, try four. After the hissing in the theatres stopped, owners assumed that we had adapted to the new order. We hadn't. We had simply fallen into a sullen silence.
After all these years, some, like me, still grit our teeth and acknowledge that we're so desperate to see movies on a big screen with an audience that we'll tolerate almost any indignity. Other patrons apparently decided that enough was enough. They began staying home. Even if they saw movies on commercial TV, they at least had a mute button to protect themselves.
Meanwhile, a company named Screenvision proved, to its own satisfaction, that a commercial seen in a movie house (where there's nothing else to look at) will be remembered longer than if it's seen at home. Another company, Arbitron, claimed to have found that most people don't mind theatre commercials at all. Still, mild resistance continued. In Portland, Ore., a designer named Jason Thompson founded the Captive Motion Picture Audience of America (CMPAA). On his Web site he collects articles opposing theatre commercials and predicts eventual victory for his side. But theatre owners, grossing hundreds of millions of dollars a year from advertisers, are reluctant to change their ways.
While theatre chains were annoying the audience, the bosses of the big Hollywood studios were mistreating the people who wrote, directed and acted in what everyone unfortunately calls "product."
Hollywood now contains an army of MBAs who studied marketing, the art of separating consumers from their money. Most of them, however, seem to have missed the lectures on what business writers sometimes call "protecting the brand." They have no sense of how to nurture and maintain artists. They seem to regard talent as a necessary evil at best, in fact, mainly a source of trouble. Often, by inadvertence that is as bad as malice, they casually destroy it.
For years Eddie Murphy has seemed to me the most spectacular proof of Hollywood's death wish. In 1982, he went to Los Angeles as a brilliant and original comedian, a performer of wondrously insolent charm. But years of misbegotten scripts and weary remakes have turned him into a brassbound hack. In 2000, he made The Adventures of Pluto Nash, which in genre terms was as close to an all-bases-covered production as Hollywood has ever attempted. It was a science-fiction Mafia action comedy with toilet jokes. In the year 2087 the Mafia is trying to take over Murphy's nightclub on the moon; Murphy flees with his trusty bodyguard-robot (Randy Quaid), who is sensitive, temperamental and desperate to have sex with other robots.
Twelve writers worked on that script, the production cost about US$100-million, and when it was finished no one could imagine who in the world would pay to see it. After two years of languishing in a vault, it finally appeared in theatres, to the delight of no one. Less than one-twentieth of the investment came back, and online comments from members of the public never rose above "not as bad as everyone says."
The Golden Raspberry Award Foundation, which hands out the Razzies, picked it as the worst comedy in 25 years. A year later, when Murphy appeared in Daddy Day Care, a Los Angeles Times critic expressed just about everybody's view: "What in the world happened to Eddie Murphy's career?"
Despite this kind of outrage, studios always find a way to make a profit. The theatre owners, however, are suffering. Are we approaching the point where multiplexes showing product will start closing, as the single-auditorium theatres did a generation ago? Or will some be kept alive artificially, subsidized by studios as a way to introduce the public to the new DVDs, the main source of profit?
Otherwise, we long-suffering patrons face a bitter future. Moviegoing will consist mainly of watching DVDs at home, with occasional visits to festivals where senior citizens will gather to remember the excitement of old-time moviegoing while a few pensioners do their best to make out in the back row.
Who's to blame for Hollywood's box-office blues?
Robert Fulford
National Post
Tuesday, July 19, 2005
When commercials started appearing in North American movie theatres, about two decades ago, some of us saw them as a discourteous intrusion and considered it our duty to hiss at them. This did no good, of course, but those futile little scenes of the 1980s came to mind this season when the disastrous news about recent movie attendance began appearing.
Audiences may be increasing slightly during the long heat wave, but for 19 weeks in a row, through all of the spring and much of the summer, fewer North Americans went to the movies than during the same period in 2004; and 2004 was worse than 2003. For the movie business, it was the longest losing streak in two decades, part of a downward trend that may be worse in Canada than in the United States. Even Albertans, whom Statistics Canada calls "Canada's most avid moviegoers," are showing up less often at the box office.
We can hardly blame it all on commercials. DVDs (which now appear only four months after a film opens), televised movies-on-demand and the competition of the Internet have all helped empty the theatres. The low level of recent Hollywood filmmaking may have had more effect than anything else. The list of movies that have recently arrived, or are soon to come, sounds like an industry-wide confession of creative bankruptcy. There's a new Batman, a new Herbie, an adaptation of the Bewitched TV series, another Pink Panther, a fourth version of The Bad News Bears, etc. It looks like a failure of nerve among the people running the studios. They are slowly moving toward a new house rule: Produce nothing that hasn't been produced before.
But the commercials were an early symbol of disdain. They seemed to demonstrate that theatre operators are like little children, forever trying to figure out how much they can get away with. Raise the ticket prices. Put more commercials on the screen with the sound jacked up to infuriating levels. Apply airport pricing to the concession stand (you have to pay this much because you can't go elsewhere). Cut the cleaning staff and leave the theatres dirty.
Advertising increased on the principle of creeping tolerance. If we put up with two commercials for a while, why not give us three? If we kept coming, try four. After the hissing in the theatres stopped, owners assumed that we had adapted to the new order. We hadn't. We had simply fallen into a sullen silence.
After all these years, some, like me, still grit our teeth and acknowledge that we're so desperate to see movies on a big screen with an audience that we'll tolerate almost any indignity. Other patrons apparently decided that enough was enough. They began staying home. Even if they saw movies on commercial TV, they at least had a mute button to protect themselves.
Meanwhile, a company named Screenvision proved, to its own satisfaction, that a commercial seen in a movie house (where there's nothing else to look at) will be remembered longer than if it's seen at home. Another company, Arbitron, claimed to have found that most people don't mind theatre commercials at all. Still, mild resistance continued. In Portland, Ore., a designer named Jason Thompson founded the Captive Motion Picture Audience of America (CMPAA). On his Web site he collects articles opposing theatre commercials and predicts eventual victory for his side. But theatre owners, grossing hundreds of millions of dollars a year from advertisers, are reluctant to change their ways.
While theatre chains were annoying the audience, the bosses of the big Hollywood studios were mistreating the people who wrote, directed and acted in what everyone unfortunately calls "product."
Hollywood now contains an army of MBAs who studied marketing, the art of separating consumers from their money. Most of them, however, seem to have missed the lectures on what business writers sometimes call "protecting the brand." They have no sense of how to nurture and maintain artists. They seem to regard talent as a necessary evil at best, in fact, mainly a source of trouble. Often, by inadvertence that is as bad as malice, they casually destroy it.
For years Eddie Murphy has seemed to me the most spectacular proof of Hollywood's death wish. In 1982, he went to Los Angeles as a brilliant and original comedian, a performer of wondrously insolent charm. But years of misbegotten scripts and weary remakes have turned him into a brassbound hack. In 2000, he made The Adventures of Pluto Nash, which in genre terms was as close to an all-bases-covered production as Hollywood has ever attempted. It was a science-fiction Mafia action comedy with toilet jokes. In the year 2087 the Mafia is trying to take over Murphy's nightclub on the moon; Murphy flees with his trusty bodyguard-robot (Randy Quaid), who is sensitive, temperamental and desperate to have sex with other robots.
Twelve writers worked on that script, the production cost about US$100-million, and when it was finished no one could imagine who in the world would pay to see it. After two years of languishing in a vault, it finally appeared in theatres, to the delight of no one. Less than one-twentieth of the investment came back, and online comments from members of the public never rose above "not as bad as everyone says."
The Golden Raspberry Award Foundation, which hands out the Razzies, picked it as the worst comedy in 25 years. A year later, when Murphy appeared in Daddy Day Care, a Los Angeles Times critic expressed just about everybody's view: "What in the world happened to Eddie Murphy's career?"
Despite this kind of outrage, studios always find a way to make a profit. The theatre owners, however, are suffering. Are we approaching the point where multiplexes showing product will start closing, as the single-auditorium theatres did a generation ago? Or will some be kept alive artificially, subsidized by studios as a way to introduce the public to the new DVDs, the main source of profit?
Otherwise, we long-suffering patrons face a bitter future. Moviegoing will consist mainly of watching DVDs at home, with occasional visits to festivals where senior citizens will gather to remember the excitement of old-time moviegoing while a few pensioners do their best to make out in the back row.
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Can't say I agree. The way studios make their money has shifted in the last decade...with home video becoming an even stronger component then theatrical...but in the end, they're making more money then ever.
The argument that movies are worse then ever...is purely subjective, and one I truthfully just don't prescribe to. I chalk it up to rosy tinted nostalgia, as there were as many crappy film 20 years ago, 40 years ago, or anytime as there are now. If you're going to compare Raiders of the Lost Ark to Van Helsing, of course movies look worse. Or you could compare Spiderman 2 to...Howard the Duck and things look like they're getting better. It's much like foreign films, as modern films do not have a quality filter, whereas older films and foregin films do, so we really usually only see the good stuff. The guy mentions Pluto Nash, as if this anecdotal evidence means something. Why not talk about bad movies from 2 decades ago? At least Pluto Nash didn't bankrupt an entire studio the way Heaven's Gate did.
In general, I go by the notion that the film industry is doing fine. One year without an overall increase in BO surely isn't the death of the film industry. The overreliance on mega budget spectacles might fade a bit (though in truth these things are still cash cows). But it's possible that something like in the 60s might happen, but unlike then these mega budget films are still making money. I think the doom and gloom pretty much is missing the overall picture, even if the theatrical experience isn't necessarily growing, movies are surely not going away.
The argument that movies are worse then ever...is purely subjective, and one I truthfully just don't prescribe to. I chalk it up to rosy tinted nostalgia, as there were as many crappy film 20 years ago, 40 years ago, or anytime as there are now. If you're going to compare Raiders of the Lost Ark to Van Helsing, of course movies look worse. Or you could compare Spiderman 2 to...Howard the Duck and things look like they're getting better. It's much like foreign films, as modern films do not have a quality filter, whereas older films and foregin films do, so we really usually only see the good stuff. The guy mentions Pluto Nash, as if this anecdotal evidence means something. Why not talk about bad movies from 2 decades ago? At least Pluto Nash didn't bankrupt an entire studio the way Heaven's Gate did.
In general, I go by the notion that the film industry is doing fine. One year without an overall increase in BO surely isn't the death of the film industry. The overreliance on mega budget spectacles might fade a bit (though in truth these things are still cash cows). But it's possible that something like in the 60s might happen, but unlike then these mega budget films are still making money. I think the doom and gloom pretty much is missing the overall picture, even if the theatrical experience isn't necessarily growing, movies are surely not going away.
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I chalk it up to rosy tinted nostalgia, as there were as many crappy film 20 years ago, 40 years ago, or anytime as there are now.
Though I do believe that fewer and fewer people are going to the movies, and that spells trouble for theaters and Hollywood if that trend continues unabated.
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Just my opinion but it seems to me that as movies spiral higher and higher in terms of budget, and I don't mean just the mega-one per studio per year-blockbusters, but a couple of films from a studio in a month, then the hit that a studio takes when one tanks or at least underperforms is much more of an issue than it ever was in year's past. I do think DVDs are a factor in keeping audiences at home but I also think a bigger part of the problem and a key contributer to the sense of desperation are studios that feel pouring cash into projects nearly unchecked will fix all problems. I think, if trends contrinue as they are, we'll see studios making films for less and concentrating more on lower cost fixes, like writing and other purely creative factors.
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I think, if trends contrinue as they are, we'll see studios making films for less and concentrating more on lower cost fixes, like writing and other purely creative factors.
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I disagree with the idea that movies are lacking in quality now-a-days. There have been some damn fine films this year. I believe that the prices are what's killing the medium. It was the same with CD's a few years ago - the prices were close to $20 per CD (and have become that way again, nfortunately) and sales were way down. Record companies & the RIAA blamed internet piracy. Lots of people blamed the quality of the music. Horseshit, it was the prices.
My son and I spent $20 on tickets and concessions for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory over the weekend. Why do that when I can wait for the DVD for $16 from CC or BB?
My son and I spent $20 on tickets and concessions for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory over the weekend. Why do that when I can wait for the DVD for $16 from CC or BB?
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Originally Posted by Terrell
I would agree with that, and this year has been pretty damn good as far as I'm concerned. ROTS, War of the Worlds, Batman Begins, Charlie the Chocolate Factory, etc. Even better than last year in terms of quality.
But there are still miracles out there: The Harry Potter franchise, with its unlikely mix of capitalization on a very popular ($$$) series of children's books, extraordinary casting and great production values hasn't misfired yet.
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I believe that the prices are what's killing the medium.
But the movie business works backwards. Usually when demand goes down, ie less people going to the theaters, prices drop. But in the movie business, prices go up in that situation. Not a good way to follow the rule of supply and demand.
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Originally Posted by Terrell
I would agree with that, and this year has been pretty damn good as far as I'm concerned. ROTS, War of the Worlds, Batman Begins, Charlie the Chocolate Factory, etc. Even better than last year in terms of quality.
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I think Hollywood films are just as good as they were 20 years ago, but a lot worse than they were 30 years ago...that is if you are looking for original, intelligent films geared to adults.
As far as popcorn films go, Hollywood has never been better than they are right now at cranking these films out. I've enjoyed quite a few films this year such as Sin City, Batman Begins and War of the Worlds. But they only fill one part of my movie going appetite.
The problem is that more & more films are being geared to the teenage audience while 30 years ago it was the adult audience which was the target of most of the Hollywood films.
Thus I look to independent & foreign films to fill the void, thankfully I live in NY where these films are always being shown.
So to sum up, I guess that movies geared to the over 30 crowd is a dying industry but only for the major Hollywood studios.
As far as popcorn films go, Hollywood has never been better than they are right now at cranking these films out. I've enjoyed quite a few films this year such as Sin City, Batman Begins and War of the Worlds. But they only fill one part of my movie going appetite.
The problem is that more & more films are being geared to the teenage audience while 30 years ago it was the adult audience which was the target of most of the Hollywood films.
Thus I look to independent & foreign films to fill the void, thankfully I live in NY where these films are always being shown.
So to sum up, I guess that movies geared to the over 30 crowd is a dying industry but only for the major Hollywood studios.
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Originally Posted by Jaymole
Thus I look to independent & foreign films to fill the void, thankfully I live in NY where these films are always being shown.
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Simple matter is that the studios are making the same, if not more money they always were making but in different formats. The switch has indeed gone to dvd making up for whatever theatre blues their possibly are. The ones who suffer the most are the theatres and they should adapt or work together with the studios. Make those dvd windows a bit more larger or offer more bang for your buck and make it worth going to the theatre
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Simple matter is that the studios are making the same, if not more money they always were making but in different formats. The switch has indeed gone to dvd making up for whatever theatre blues their possibly are. The ones who suffer the most are the theatres and they should adapt or work together with the studios. Make those dvd windows a bit more larger or offer more bang for your buck and make it worth going to the theatre
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For me, it's a combination of price and DVD availability/home theater advancement. But not necessarily overall quality of said movies. I'm not a huge film buff anyway, and will watch movies for temporary enjoyment and not necessarily intellectual stimulation.
Price has been an issue with me for a few years now, ever since the ticket prices have risen to the double digit mark, and it's cheaper for me to buy the DVD than to take my wife and myself to the movies. We did go to see Charley and the Chocolate factory because my wife really wanted to go, and it is a movie with enough special effects for me to justify paying for the theater experience. Otherwise, pretty much everything will come out on DVD in a few months anyway, where I can watch it on my own time for much cheaper,and with a lot of extras as well.
I can understand why they're moving towards more blockbusters: huge special effect movies are what will put me in the theater seat, since even with advances in home theaters, there's something extra you get seeing it on the big screen with THX. Romantic comedies and even good indie films, I'll just wait. That may be just me, though. Although the industries are much different, I see it as similar to videogame arcades and home consoles: the only thing that most bigger arcades now have are the large sit down machines or machines with peripherals, because nearly everything else can be reproduced at home.
Movie companies will be getting into trouble as the whole DVD shelf space problem continues to give DVDs limited shelf lives, and people become more discerning over what they add to their collection and what they just rent. If it's true that they've made up for lackluster boxoffice sales with DVD sales, as DVD sales start diminishing I don't know what they're going to do. They've already pretty much killed my impulse buying of most borderline movies, since I know if I wait, I'll probably get a cheaper, better version of a movie I won't watch right away but someday want to have in my collection.
Price has been an issue with me for a few years now, ever since the ticket prices have risen to the double digit mark, and it's cheaper for me to buy the DVD than to take my wife and myself to the movies. We did go to see Charley and the Chocolate factory because my wife really wanted to go, and it is a movie with enough special effects for me to justify paying for the theater experience. Otherwise, pretty much everything will come out on DVD in a few months anyway, where I can watch it on my own time for much cheaper,and with a lot of extras as well.
I can understand why they're moving towards more blockbusters: huge special effect movies are what will put me in the theater seat, since even with advances in home theaters, there's something extra you get seeing it on the big screen with THX. Romantic comedies and even good indie films, I'll just wait. That may be just me, though. Although the industries are much different, I see it as similar to videogame arcades and home consoles: the only thing that most bigger arcades now have are the large sit down machines or machines with peripherals, because nearly everything else can be reproduced at home.
Movie companies will be getting into trouble as the whole DVD shelf space problem continues to give DVDs limited shelf lives, and people become more discerning over what they add to their collection and what they just rent. If it's true that they've made up for lackluster boxoffice sales with DVD sales, as DVD sales start diminishing I don't know what they're going to do. They've already pretty much killed my impulse buying of most borderline movies, since I know if I wait, I'll probably get a cheaper, better version of a movie I won't watch right away but someday want to have in my collection.
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Not one of those movies you mentioned is an original. They are all sequels or remakes.
I suspect there are twice as many remakes and sequels that are just plain bad. I for one would love to see more original movies and less rehashing of old movies.
It's not the comic book and serial type films I mentioned that we need to worry about. It's dumb sequels like Son of the Mask, Scooby-Doo 2, and Gladiator 2 that Hollywood needs to stop making. There's 3 films right there that could have been axed in favor of original films. But no, Hollywood has to turn everything into a franchise. I hope the box office continue to sink to a point where Hollywood will wake up and stop this garbage. Because the only thing that will make Hollywood stop is by taking a severe hit in the wallet, and we're not even close to that point yet. I hope DVD sales sink as well. Then and only then will studios eventually wise up.
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Prices arent what stops me from seeing a movie, i still get student discount and i never buy anything from the concession stand.
Peoples actions and rudeness are what really kills the experience.
Theaters need to get thier shit together and stomp out all this rampant cell phone ringing, crying babies, & people talking during the movie.
Until those problems are addressed i'll continue to wait for the DVD release and be very picky about what it is i see in the theater.
Peoples actions and rudeness are what really kills the experience.
Theaters need to get thier shit together and stomp out all this rampant cell phone ringing, crying babies, & people talking during the movie.
Until those problems are addressed i'll continue to wait for the DVD release and be very picky about what it is i see in the theater.
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Originally Posted by Terrell
It's not the comic book and serial type films I mentioned that we need to worry about. It's dumb sequels like Son of the Mask, Scooby-Doo 2, and Gladiator 2 that Hollywood needs to stop making.

Sometimes when film-makers are pushed by dire economic circumstances and ruthless entrepreneurs to produce crap on a grand scale (i.e. an unnecessary sequel to a bad film), they produce gold by accident - or rather sheer desperation... It's also a proud tradition: the success of the first Cinemascope film The Robe (1954) prompted a sequel when all the main Christian characters had been persecuted out of existence, called Demetrius and the Gladiators. The world could have live without it but, hey, it wasn't bad!
And the problem is comic book and serial-type films (Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings excepted, because I said so), which are a serious force towards the general dumbing-down of American movies.
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My son and I spent $20 on tickets and concessions for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory over the weekend. Why do that when I can wait for the DVD for $16 from CC or BB?
That would be akin to me going to Best Buy to buy the 16.00 DVD then complaining I had to spend 20.00 because I had to buy a couple over priced candy bars at the register on my way out. If I did that, my complaint about going to Best Buy to buy a movie and how much it cost me would be insufficient, because I chose to buy their overpriced candy at the register.
There has been crap forever at the theaters, there have always been rude audiences, there have always been high prices at the concession stand, there are always those who would rather wait for the video (back when I was a kid, it was wait for the video or wait for it to come to TV). NOTHING IS NEW. There are still awesome movies being released, and I feel sorry for those who are missing out.
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Yep. This year is probably only going to be the second highest grossing year at the theaters in history.
And if Lion's Gate had pulled its weight this year instead of being WAY down from 2004 (to date, Lion's Gate is down roughly $300 million from 2004, IIRC), we'd probably be looking at the highest grossing year in history. Take out the true indies and limited releases, and 2005 would be ahead of 2004 about $50 million to date. All with fewer releases, as well.
To me, that tells the studios that audiences like what they're doing overall and that what's holding back the box office is the lack of interest in indie pictures overall.
And if Lion's Gate had pulled its weight this year instead of being WAY down from 2004 (to date, Lion's Gate is down roughly $300 million from 2004, IIRC), we'd probably be looking at the highest grossing year in history. Take out the true indies and limited releases, and 2005 would be ahead of 2004 about $50 million to date. All with fewer releases, as well.
To me, that tells the studios that audiences like what they're doing overall and that what's holding back the box office is the lack of interest in indie pictures overall.
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Originally Posted by baracine
There's the problem right there. It took me a lot of reflection to find out that "ROTS" is supposed to mean "The Return of the Sith", which I would certainly not go see in a theatre, which I will add to my DVD collection just to make it complete, I guess, and which represents the end of an era and not its beginning. The same goes for all the other films you mention: I wouldn't even consider seeing them in a theatre or anywhere else. They're aimed at children or they're fanciful, trendy adaptations of sci-fi classics or they're fanciful, trendy adaptations of comic books or children's classics or they star soulless no-talent box-office draws like Tom Cruise.
But there are still miracles out there: The Harry Potter franchise, with its unlikely mix of capitalization on a very popular ($$$) series of children's books, extraordinary casting and great production values hasn't misfired yet.
But there are still miracles out there: The Harry Potter franchise, with its unlikely mix of capitalization on a very popular ($$$) series of children's books, extraordinary casting and great production values hasn't misfired yet.
But nonetheless...opinions vary, and obviously many think some of these films are excellent. As happens any year, there are always popular films. I don't think calling the deathknell of cinema because you can't find films you like is really the best way to judge it.
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I don't think calling the deathknell of cinema because you can't find films you like is really the best way to judge it.
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Originally Posted by baracine
Remind me not to get into the suject of what passes for a movie star these days (cough, cough, JLo, excuse me, cough, Tom Cruise) but what we're talking about here is a steady decline in attendance for two years running: 2003-2004, 2004-2005 and no relief in sight.
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Originally Posted by RyoHazuki
JLo sucks and the audiences know it. Thats why her films bomb. Tom Cruise on the other hand is a quality actor and thats why his movies make bank.
hmmm. I think it has more to do with JLo and her people sucking at picking the right scripts where Cruise and his people don't. Put JLo in the right flick, i.e. Selena, Antz, and others, she can shine too.
Either way, I'm not going to cry for an industry that makes billions -every- year. They've got nothing to worry about.



