The Crow and sequels
01-14-03 | 11:36 AM
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The Crow and sequels
first of all, sorry if this has been posted before, but I searched...
anyway, I love the first crow and am planning on buying it. However, my question is this:
honestly, are the sequels any good? I've heard #2 is not good, while #3 is ok. is there anyone out there that likes these movies? just debating as to whether i should just buy #1 or get the set.
anyway, I love the first crow and am planning on buying it. However, my question is this:
honestly, are the sequels any good? I've heard #2 is not good, while #3 is ok. is there anyone out there that likes these movies? just debating as to whether i should just buy #1 or get the set.
01-14-03 | 01:49 PM
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I didn't think the second was all that bad. I mean, it didn't have the same feel at all, but I think that it stood on it's own well enough. It would have been much better if the first never existed though. I've never seen any of the other ones, and I only own the first movie.
01-14-03 | 02:50 PM
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I only have the original, and i saw the 2nd one in theaters. I didn't think it was terrible, just not good enough to purchase it. If you can get the boxset for like 25 bucks, i think it would be decent.
01-14-03 | 04:53 PM
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I'd just like to take this moment to point out that I'm a huge Crow fan.
*points to name*
It owns you, admit it.
I, unfortunately, paid full price for the box set when it was first released. Who'd have thought the prices would drop so radically?
In any case, here are my take on the sequels--
City of Angels: Horrible movie but excellent cinematography
Salvation: Absolutely no redeeming value whatsoever, unless you're a Crow fan it's barely bearable.
Till again.
*points to name*
It owns you, admit it.
I, unfortunately, paid full price for the box set when it was first released. Who'd have thought the prices would drop so radically?
In any case, here are my take on the sequels--
City of Angels: Horrible movie but excellent cinematography
Salvation: Absolutely no redeeming value whatsoever, unless you're a Crow fan it's barely bearable.
Till again.
05-13-11 | 11:24 PM
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Re: The Crow and sequels
I've always wanted to see the workprint version of The Crow: City of Angels.
The Crow: City of Angels was heavily cut by Miramax who wanted the movie to be more like the first one. The Crow: COA running time was originally 160 mins long, while the theatrical version was just a little over half of that: 84 minutes. A supposed director's cut was released in 1996 but only contained ten minutes of new footage. The uncut version did however surface on pay-per view in the late 1990s. There have been petitions by fans to have a true director's cut released, most notably an online petition set up in 2003 by David Coyle.
Here are the scenes that were cut by Miramax.
-Sarah has a longer voice over in the beginning of the film.
-The Crow (the bird) "lifts" Ashe from his watery grave.
-Before Ashe runs from Sarah's apartment, he does not believe he is alive so Sarah stabs him with a kitchen knife.
-When Ashe runs to his home, we see his sign which is called "Corven's Body Shop".
-There are bad guy back stories. Judah tells about himself drowning and becoming the way that he is, Spidermonkey "stole" the imp logo from his grandmother's car and used (copied) the logo for the bags of trinity (the drug in the movie), Kali is revealed to be a virgin, because she only 'gets pleasure from killing', and nothing else.
-When Ashe is going after Spidermonkey at the Trinity Drug Plant. Ashe takes Spidermonkey's gun and says, "Don't try this at home, kids!" and shoots himself. Spidermonkey checks Ashe but Ashe gets up, scaring Spidermonkey.
-When Ashe destroys the Trinity Drug Plant, thugs come to pick a fight with Ashe. Ashe scares them off.
-The stripper talking to Nemo at the Live Girls building, confronted by Ashe after Nemo is killed, is told by Ashe not to come here while tugging at her. This makes Ashe very anti-hero like.
-There are more love scenes between Ashe and Sarah.
-The Twins and Kali shoot at Sarah's apartment door and shows them trashing her apartment and destroying paintings.
-When Ashe builds Danny's grave, he does not burn his painting in this version, Judah tears it up in his confrontation with Ashe.
-The fight scene between Ashe and Kali is a reshoot. In the original fight, Kali uses a 2x4 and a sword, and Kali has her arm broken in the struggle.
-When Kali is thrown out of the window, we see a shadow of a giant crow morphing into Ashe. This shows that the Crow and Ashe are one.
-Kali's death is very different. She is still alive as Ashe comes out of nowhere and she begs him to kill her. Ashe refuses as thugs arrive and rape her to death.
-When Ashe is being shot by the gang members in the Second Coming Club, Ashe grabs his shotgun and returns fire.
-The motorcycle chase was a little bit longer. When Curve escapes from Ashe, Ashe looks for a way to find a way to get ahead of Curve.
-When Curve says, "You think I'm afraid of you?!?!?", there is a shot of Curve peeing his pants because he is indeed afraid of Ashe.
-When Ashe blows up Curve's motorcycle with his shotgun, Curve is on the ground with his crotch on fire. You can see a glimpse of this in the Theatrical Version, if you look carefully.
-At the Day of the Dead festival, we see two more characters. One is Amede.
-When Ashe is climbing Judah's headquarters, The Twins follow him. One falls off the building and is decapitated.
-When the spectre of Danny is revealed at the Day of the Dead festival, he says to his father, Ashe, that it is time to go. Ashe says that he must protect Sarah and Danny disappears. Ashe looks for him in the crowd and turns a drunk guy around, believing it to be Danny.
-More Ashe\Judah dialogue.
-In this version, Sarah and Ashe talk to each other just before Sarah dies.
-The ending is very different. Because Ashe chooses to stay for Sarah, he is damned and is forced to stay on Earth forever as punishment.
-Ashe destroys Sarah's apartment so he does not remember her anymore.
-When Ashe carries Sarah to the church, the following scene is much longer. It also features Ashe wearing Sarah's ring like Brandon Lee's character "Eric" did in the first "Crow" movie. The priest from earlier enters asking Ashe, "What will you do now, my son?", and Ashe replies that the city is full of shadows and that one more won't make a difference.
-In the Theatrical Version, we see Ashe and Danny in "Heaven" but this is a flashback in the workprint Version. This explains the confusing ending.
Despite many entreaties made by fans, there are no plans to release the uncut version.
Here are the scenes that were cut by Miramax.
-Sarah has a longer voice over in the beginning of the film.
-The Crow (the bird) "lifts" Ashe from his watery grave.
-Before Ashe runs from Sarah's apartment, he does not believe he is alive so Sarah stabs him with a kitchen knife.
-When Ashe runs to his home, we see his sign which is called "Corven's Body Shop".
-There are bad guy back stories. Judah tells about himself drowning and becoming the way that he is, Spidermonkey "stole" the imp logo from his grandmother's car and used (copied) the logo for the bags of trinity (the drug in the movie), Kali is revealed to be a virgin, because she only 'gets pleasure from killing', and nothing else.
-When Ashe is going after Spidermonkey at the Trinity Drug Plant. Ashe takes Spidermonkey's gun and says, "Don't try this at home, kids!" and shoots himself. Spidermonkey checks Ashe but Ashe gets up, scaring Spidermonkey.
-When Ashe destroys the Trinity Drug Plant, thugs come to pick a fight with Ashe. Ashe scares them off.
-The stripper talking to Nemo at the Live Girls building, confronted by Ashe after Nemo is killed, is told by Ashe not to come here while tugging at her. This makes Ashe very anti-hero like.
-There are more love scenes between Ashe and Sarah.
-The Twins and Kali shoot at Sarah's apartment door and shows them trashing her apartment and destroying paintings.
-When Ashe builds Danny's grave, he does not burn his painting in this version, Judah tears it up in his confrontation with Ashe.
-The fight scene between Ashe and Kali is a reshoot. In the original fight, Kali uses a 2x4 and a sword, and Kali has her arm broken in the struggle.
-When Kali is thrown out of the window, we see a shadow of a giant crow morphing into Ashe. This shows that the Crow and Ashe are one.
-Kali's death is very different. She is still alive as Ashe comes out of nowhere and she begs him to kill her. Ashe refuses as thugs arrive and rape her to death.
-When Ashe is being shot by the gang members in the Second Coming Club, Ashe grabs his shotgun and returns fire.
-The motorcycle chase was a little bit longer. When Curve escapes from Ashe, Ashe looks for a way to find a way to get ahead of Curve.
-When Curve says, "You think I'm afraid of you?!?!?", there is a shot of Curve peeing his pants because he is indeed afraid of Ashe.
-When Ashe blows up Curve's motorcycle with his shotgun, Curve is on the ground with his crotch on fire. You can see a glimpse of this in the Theatrical Version, if you look carefully.
-At the Day of the Dead festival, we see two more characters. One is Amede.
-When Ashe is climbing Judah's headquarters, The Twins follow him. One falls off the building and is decapitated.
-When the spectre of Danny is revealed at the Day of the Dead festival, he says to his father, Ashe, that it is time to go. Ashe says that he must protect Sarah and Danny disappears. Ashe looks for him in the crowd and turns a drunk guy around, believing it to be Danny.
-More Ashe\Judah dialogue.
-In this version, Sarah and Ashe talk to each other just before Sarah dies.
-The ending is very different. Because Ashe chooses to stay for Sarah, he is damned and is forced to stay on Earth forever as punishment.
-Ashe destroys Sarah's apartment so he does not remember her anymore.
-When Ashe carries Sarah to the church, the following scene is much longer. It also features Ashe wearing Sarah's ring like Brandon Lee's character "Eric" did in the first "Crow" movie. The priest from earlier enters asking Ashe, "What will you do now, my son?", and Ashe replies that the city is full of shadows and that one more won't make a difference.
-In the Theatrical Version, we see Ashe and Danny in "Heaven" but this is a flashback in the workprint Version. This explains the confusing ending.
Despite many entreaties made by fans, there are no plans to release the uncut version.
05-16-11 | 09:02 AM
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Re: The Crow and sequels
That actually sounds a lot more interesting. The biggest problem I had with the second one was that the villains felt so flat. I didn't have any interest in them at all. The first one made you want Eric Draven to take out the bad guys. I couldn't care about them in the second one. I actually thought the guy who played the Crow in the second flick did a decent job. I'd definitely check out a "director's cut" or whatever if they released it.
05-16-11 | 09:39 AM
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Re: The Crow and sequels
I've always argued that it's the villains that made the first so memorable and where the sequels failed.
City of Angels has grown on me, mostly because of how beautifully shot it is, but it does have many flaws. I'd love to see a DC to see how different it would play.
City of Angels has grown on me, mostly because of how beautifully shot it is, but it does have many flaws. I'd love to see a DC to see how different it would play.
05-16-11 | 10:17 AM
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Re: The Crow and sequels
I'm obviously a big fan of the original, but I've only seen City of Angels a few times (once in the theater and then once or twice at home). It's been years but that's because I didn't really like it. I just remember being bored. Plus the heavy S&M stuff really turned me off too.
That said, I remember thinking it was a neat idea to frame him with water whereas the first movie was primarily fire. Just gave the whole thing a different look and feel. There were a few touches like that I appreciated.
The cut material sounds a hell of a lot more interesting.
That said, I remember thinking it was a neat idea to frame him with water whereas the first movie was primarily fire. Just gave the whole thing a different look and feel. There were a few touches like that I appreciated.
The cut material sounds a hell of a lot more interesting.
05-17-11 | 05:25 AM
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Re: The Crow and sequels
People once believed that when a thread has run its course, a crow carries its soul to the land of the archive. But sometimes, something so bad happens that a terrible sadness is carried with it and the thread can't rest. Then sometimes, just sometimes, the crow can bring that thread back to continue a long dead discussion.
