There are alot of you haters out there on this forum who have taken pot shot after pot shot of the XBox every since it was announced. You spread false rumors, F.U.D., and in some cases outright lies. Whenever a thread was started to discuss the XBox, you XBox haters slithered your way in and hijacked the thread by spewing forth ignorance and blind, misguided fanboyism. To all of you brand loyalists who serve up a daily serving of "Hater-ade", THIS THREAD'S FOR YOU..... (names will be updated daily)

Are you predicting monster sales numbers on launch day? If the rumors about their scaled back numbers on the initial shipments is true, I have no doubt that they'll sell out. The more important number is whether they'll sell 1+ million boxes before the end of the year. That's sell-through BTW, not shipped.

Um...I thought there was some "proof" or something in here. I'm not pro or anti X-Box - I'm into videogames for the games, not the "hardware wars"...but c'mon. I mean, at least wait till its out before trying to hype it up...you've played maybe what, one or two demos in the mall? Kinda hard to judge a system before you actually look at and play the finished products on it, isn't it?

Crikey! You sure are taking this personally.

I have some opinions on XP, but I'm afraid to say them...you may explode from anger

SPY

Wow! We are talking videogames here are we not? Some people need to calm down before they have a nervous breakdown. Here are some images that will soothe the nerves:

feel free to add me. I do not like microsoft much. I have also felt for quite some time that the XBox is going to lose this battle and be the third best seller behind Gamcube and PS2.

I guess because i do not agree with you I am just ignorant and a fanboy.

are you an xbox fanboy since you seem to hype that system nonstop or does it only go one way.

In honor of the other Star Wars pictures, a Star Wars troll picture.

Each console has it's own set of putrid fanboys, but if I dare say, I wouldn't doubt that the X-Box has more simply because people are looking to trash it based on MS' previous adventures in the computer/world domination world. Damn that GameCube! Rogue Squadron 2 makes me cry. The only way to get over it will be to squish some alien baddies in Halo! : )

(just in case, you can't tell, I'm leaning for X-Box over GameCube. Why no PS2 love? Because I think spending $300 for it now plus having to spend at least $150-200 in the future for a NIC/HD is simply ridiculous. At least X-Box is more integrated and value orientated, hard as that may be for a $300 gaming system)

Well I am a pretty damned experienced gamer and if I had to choose between the X-box and the Gamecube I would choose the Gamecube. This is why:

1. X-box is 100 bucks more expensive than the Gamecube.

2. Microsoft is new to the console gaming industry, Nintendo has a track history that is pretty good. While the N64 didn't have that many games, they were pretty much quality games.

3. Microsofts history with OS'. With their history of glitchy operating systems I wonder if the X-box won't be the same.

Microsoft has to prove it can actually tackle the console gaming industry.

I understand why people might think the X-Box will be crash prone but it won't. The main reason behind why OS'es crash is because of faulty drivers and bad software (MS' included). Since the PC is a basically a mix match of different hardware, an OS has to try to juggle everything. If the OS is written in a way where it doesn't always have full control and priority over everything else (aka Dos through Win ME), then havoc can occur. If the OS is given more power over everything in the computer, it can be more stable (although perhaps slower), as with Win2K and XP.

Simple explanation, but it works.

With a set piece of hardware their component environment is static, like a game console, it's easier to keep everything in check because you know EXACTLY what component might go crazy. Speed is optimized because, unlike PC developers who have to contend for virtually every possible setup, xonsole developers know exactly what everyone will be running their game on, and can tune their game for that one thing.

Think of it as a car analogy. If you had a 10 different cars, the same type of oil, gas, speed enhancements, probably won't work for all cars. It might kill or slow down some, while speed up others. Therefore you have to make sure you're using parts that work for all of them. Not easy. You have to go to each car and figure out how to optimize them individually within a certain amount of time.

If you had 10 of the exact same car however, once you find out what works for 1 car, you're SET! You can spend more time on just one car, and the optimizations you have will work for them all.

I'll just say I'm not too impressed with the X-Box's prospects as an investment. I don't think it's going to install much of a userbase, and Microsoft can't hold it together on first party games. Halo looks great, but it's been in development for like four years. After that, what is there?

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories...819102,00.html

actually the reason that many expect it to be crash prone is that it crashed on the units used at E3( although they were not real XBoxes it was an embaressment) and there are reports of the demo units locking up and crashing.

Add that to the crashes we have all experienced with other Microsoft products and it leans towards a possible public relations disaster if it turns out to be true.

Guys, please have fun w/ this thread. It's all in the spirit of fun. And just in case some of you are wondering, I am one of the rare few who will most likely have all 3 systems. I have a PS2, I'm sitting on the fence for a GC (not impressed w/ the lack of a true commitment to adult gamers, but impressive nonetheless), and I'm very intrigued w/ the XBox - I think it has the most impressive lineup of launch games for any system ever. What separates me from you XBox haters is that I'm at least willing to give it a chance. Some of you say... You're absolutely right! So why are there so many bashers here who judge the XBox to death before you've played the finished product? Every console had to start somewhere. I could care less on the estimates of numbers that XB will sell. But one thing is for certain outside of the realm of opinionated game forum rooms of which I am a part, and that is that the XB will sell well. It is the mass market consumers who drive the market, and not us. They are more open-minded than fanboys, and if something is marketed well, and promises to offer something above the competition, they will buy it.

I'm loyal to no console, but I have to be honest about the fact that none of the Xbox launch titles even interest me. At least not enough to drop $300 on a system. It's an impressive piece of hardware, but I play games so the hardware that runs them is secondary. The PS2 has the most games I want right now, so it will be my first focus. After that I have to admit the Gamecube with its lower price point and lineup of games for 2002 will probably be next. I doubt I will even get to the Xbox until late 2002 and by then I will know if it's worth buying.

Do I really need to add this:

Xbox supporters aren't exactly innocent of system-bashing either. More than one Gamecube thread has been hijacked by the tired old "it's a kiddie system" schtick.

There's nothing I hate more than x-box haters, except X-box fans. The system is not even out yet. Microsoft has no history of console video games. Their support for their own PC products is poor. Why the hell would you want to look forward to the X-box of all things? Screen shots and small video clips of unfinished games? Or perhaps it's the futuristic look of the console and controllers. Or maybe it's the outrageous price tag and lack of availability that just screams poor planning on Microsoft's part. Great decision making. Enjoy your X-box.

I do not hate the X-Box. I purposefully kept myself out of the X-Box failing thread that was started here. I've told people that the systems in the stores are not the final manufactured build of the X-Box and that I'm pretty sure it won't crash or overheat when the final system is actually out. If it does, Microsoft will have a heck of a PR campaign on it's hands. It certainly does not need that kind of catastrophe on it's hands as it goes into a new market.

Although I don't hate the X-Box, I am not interested in ANY of the launch games. I do not like the DoA franchise, I will not buy Halo because it is not the game that was promised long ago on the PC well before Microsoft bought up Bungie. Project Gotham interests me somewhat, but not enough to warrant a purchase of an X-Box and that game. I am just fine with Gran Turismo 3 and like the GT line better than the Metropolitan Street Racer line (with Gotham is part of).

As for future games? They haven't wowed me with any game announcements. Once they wow me I shall consider buying an X-Box, but it will be at least next year before I buy one.

As for the Gamecube? It's in the same boat as the X-Box. Although Rouge Squadron 2 looks neat it just seems like the same old type of gameplay when the series was on the N64. I'm sad to say, but I'm getting a little sick of the flying Star Wars games. Starfighter was a stretch to buy, but it was tied in with Episode I. LucasArts will never top what they had on the PC with X-Wing/TIE Fighter/etc.

As for future games? The Gamecube has wowed me somewhat. I am always a sucker for Mario and Zelda (whether it's cel shaded or not). Once again, my purchase of the Gamecube can easily wait until the next year.

How about the PS2? I didn't buy the PS2 directly at launch (there were games I was interested in at launch though: SSX and Tekken Tag Tournament...forget the rest), I waited until about February of this year to pick mine up.

Better games are coming out for the PS2 than what was there for the first generation. Just this year alone there have been original games like Zone of the Enders and ICO...sequels like Gran Turismo 3, Grand Theft Auto 3 (coming to X-Box supposedly) and Silent Hill 2 (which is coming to X-Box with some new features, I don't like SH a whole lot, so this would not warrant a purchase either)...action games like Onimusha, Devil May Cry and MGS2...sports games like Madden 2002, NBA Street and NCAA 2002 (Madden is coming to all platforms, word is all were built upon the PS2 foundation with slight graphical advantages...who is going to buy another copy of Madden for another system if they already have the PS2 version?)

As for the future? Next week there is Tony Hawk 3 (Madden rule) and next month there is MGS2, SSX Tricky (Madden rule), Soul Reaver 2, Agent Under Fire, Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance and WWF Smackdown 3. Then come December there is Jak and Daxter and possibly Final Fantasy X (although I still think it's coming in January).

I think both Nintendo and Microsoft will be playing catch-up with the PS2 at least until next Christmas and maybe well beyond that. Both companies MUST announce or put their best products out before next Christmas. Nintendo will certainly get my support, but Microsoft must show me that I want the X-Box with showing me great games that I would be interested in.

I never bought many MS published games on my PC. I own lots of PC games. The only ones that come to mind are Age of Empires 1 and 2 and StarLancer. One of those companies is still going strong (Ensemble), the other was dissolved (Digital Anvil).

I am an equal-opportunity game player. I've been playing games for a very long time and own almost every system since the Atari 2600. In recent years I have not jumped on the launch bandwagon I used to (got SNES, Genesis and Dreamcast at launch, not sure about Atari systems...was too young to remember). As I got older I decided to wait to see if I was interested in the games before I bought a system. Right now that is where the X-Box and GameCube are. Once a date for Mario and/or Zelda is announced and other interesting games are announced, I will buy a GameCube...X-Box must show me something great and show me more games I'd be interested in before I plunk the money down for it.

I don't wish to be known as an X-Box hater. I just wish they had something better for me to be excited about for when I do decide to buy something in the new year.

heheheh I thought this was a funny idea for a thread? Wasn't it supposed to be updated daily with names so all forum-er's can look at and scorn ? At first I thought it was a flame war waiting to happen but I see now it was a joke hehehe. As far as the topic goes, I don't think a lot of people here hate X-Box, from most of the comments I see, most people are waiting to see what will happen or waiting to see what other games may be developed for it (thats what I'm doing).

hey
i hate the xbox
the freakin controller is so worthless
its almost the same size as a gamecube for christs sake

halo looks worthless and it is going to fail miserably

i dont hate m$ that much
but xbox just sucks


gamecube may not ever beat psx2 but it will put up a damn good fight and since i love mostly Nintendo games i see no reason to buy a psx2

so i say
go fzero!
go zelda!
go metroid!
etc etc etc etc etc etc
psx has only 1 or 2 real franchises, such as final fantasy(which i have no real love for) and metal gear solid( pretty sweet)

so thats my 2 cents
:P

Now there is an intellegent response, LOL!

Console wars are for little kids and retards. I am planning on buying a XBox at launch and a Gamecube when PD2 comes out.

well it is an intelligent response.....from a gamecube junkie

listen, i just got that gamecube cd from walmart

im drooling as i type

yowzas

Nothing wrong with being a FAN. Being ignorant, maybe. Everyone starts as a beginner sometime. Only 7 years ago, where was Sony? In the same exact shoes as MS now. And Sony couldn't even make any decent games. Anyone remember all those Sony Imagesoft games like Drcula and Hook? : P I hear Mickey Mania was good though. And those ESPN games! OH MY!

Price tag? $299 for the PS1. That was pretty damn expensive back then too, more so, if compared to what it was competing against. A SNES system in it's prime (late prime) for less than 1/2 of that (with a game and an extra controller no less!). Then there was a Genesis for roughly the same price. (In a list of other, but soon to be forgotten competitors: CDi, Jaguar, 3DO, and the Saturn)

That's true. But I find that everyone who likes to bring up the crashes (not directed at you) at E3 and try to rant that the X-Box will be crash prone are usually people who were never there in the first place. I admit X-Box @ E3 dissapointed me extremely, but I'm back on the fan-wagon.

Everyone should like/not like a system for good logical reasons. If you're uncomfortable with the X-Box controller or are not too enthused by the game lineup, that's fine. That's just taste. The only game I'm truly interested in for the GameCube right now is Rogue Squadron 2. That's one hell of a interest! : P

I've got nothing against any of the systems. I go to my friend's house to play PS2 games, no biggie really. I hope some of those games get to the X-Box one way or another. If not, that'll suck but I'm used to it as a proud DC owner.

PS2 had a rocky start, but every month, there are at least 3-4 super must buy type games that come out for it.

ok then.... XBOX IS SUCK! u happy?