Universal DVD-18 problems and advice?
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Universal DVD-18 problems and advice?
I'm starting a new thread because I couldn't find any existing ones when searching on "Universal DVD-18".
After hearing several people (including some review sites) complain about playback problems with some of Universal's DVD-18s, such as the 4 volumes of The Best of Abbott & Costello or Kolchak: The Night Stalker, I decided to run a Nero CD-DVD Speed scan of all my DVD-18s using a PIE/PIF error scan capable drive.
As expected, several of my discs showed very bad error scans (getting quality scores of 0 due to PIFs in the 40+ range when most DVD-9s stay well under a PIF of 10). Most of the time the problems were right before or after the layer change. Unfortunately I don't know if the first half of a DVD-9 scan is the top layer or bottom layer in Nero.
In spite of the bad error scans on several DVD-18s, sector scans of the discs in question showed no errors. I was told that is because DVD drives slow down to slower speeds when error are encountered whereas the error scan maintains a constant 6x or 8x speed. I haven't had time to watch any of the affected discs all the way through, but my big questions are these:
1. Should I be concerned enough about these bad error scans to take preemptive action on the affected discs?
2. Does Universal have a policy to deal with exchanging defective discs like this?
3. If I watch them all the way through and experience no playback problems should I not worry about them any more in spite of their bad error scans?
4. What have other people been doing who have had problems with their Universal DVD-18s?
I'm not saying that all DVD-18s have problems or that this problem is exclusive to Universal. All I know is people mentioned Universal DVD-18s on the Internet, and after scanning mine I have to agree there seems to be a higher incidence of errors on these than on other DVD-9 scans I've done for curiosity. Unfortunately none of the sites mentioning this problem gave a solution other than to not buy them or to watch all of them thoroughly within 30 days (which I didn't do) in case you need to exchange.
After hearing several people (including some review sites) complain about playback problems with some of Universal's DVD-18s, such as the 4 volumes of The Best of Abbott & Costello or Kolchak: The Night Stalker, I decided to run a Nero CD-DVD Speed scan of all my DVD-18s using a PIE/PIF error scan capable drive.
As expected, several of my discs showed very bad error scans (getting quality scores of 0 due to PIFs in the 40+ range when most DVD-9s stay well under a PIF of 10). Most of the time the problems were right before or after the layer change. Unfortunately I don't know if the first half of a DVD-9 scan is the top layer or bottom layer in Nero.
In spite of the bad error scans on several DVD-18s, sector scans of the discs in question showed no errors. I was told that is because DVD drives slow down to slower speeds when error are encountered whereas the error scan maintains a constant 6x or 8x speed. I haven't had time to watch any of the affected discs all the way through, but my big questions are these:
1. Should I be concerned enough about these bad error scans to take preemptive action on the affected discs?
2. Does Universal have a policy to deal with exchanging defective discs like this?
3. If I watch them all the way through and experience no playback problems should I not worry about them any more in spite of their bad error scans?
4. What have other people been doing who have had problems with their Universal DVD-18s?
I'm not saying that all DVD-18s have problems or that this problem is exclusive to Universal. All I know is people mentioned Universal DVD-18s on the Internet, and after scanning mine I have to agree there seems to be a higher incidence of errors on these than on other DVD-9 scans I've done for curiosity. Unfortunately none of the sites mentioning this problem gave a solution other than to not buy them or to watch all of them thoroughly within 30 days (which I didn't do) in case you need to exchange.
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I've contacted Universal about the poor quality of DVD-18's, and their response was a semi-politely phrased "we don't give a shit."
My response was "I'm going to start buying bootlegs of the items you release on DVD-18's."
Not that I am telling anyone else to buy bootlegs, but if people would at least start refusing to buy poor quality DVD's, the companies might reconsider their stance. I'll pay more for quality merchandise.
My response was "I'm going to start buying bootlegs of the items you release on DVD-18's."
Not that I am telling anyone else to buy bootlegs, but if people would at least start refusing to buy poor quality DVD's, the companies might reconsider their stance. I'll pay more for quality merchandise.
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Originally Posted by MovieExchange
I've contacted Universal about the poor quality of DVD-18's, and their response was a semi-politely phrased "we don't give a shit."
My response was "I'm going to start buying bootlegs of the items you release on DVD-18's."
Not that I am telling anyone else to buy bootlegs, but if people would at least start refusing to buy poor quality DVD's, the companies might reconsider their stance. I'll pay more for quality merchandise.
My response was "I'm going to start buying bootlegs of the items you release on DVD-18's."
Not that I am telling anyone else to buy bootlegs, but if people would at least start refusing to buy poor quality DVD's, the companies might reconsider their stance. I'll pay more for quality merchandise.
yeah same here, i contacted them about miami vice, they send a reply saying thankyou.
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The problem seems to be with the ones that are made by Technicolor in Mexico- usually these will have a clear plastic sticker on the back cover outside the shrinkwrap saying "Made In Mexico", sometimes you can also see "Made In Mexico" stamped in the inner ring of the disc since Universal usually doesn't put any printing on side 2 (I wrote them about that suggesting they start putting labels on side 2). I have only one set, "Emergency", made there and it played fine on my 7-year old player, though I watched it right away to make sure there was nothing wrong with it. I bought another movie on DVD-9 (1-sided disc) made there that froze up right before the layer change and had to exchange it though.
I REALLY wish they'd narrow down where the bad discs are coming from and get the problem fixed. I think DVD-18s are cool, but having so many defective ones out there is making them look bad.
I REALLY wish they'd narrow down where the bad discs are coming from and get the problem fixed. I think DVD-18s are cool, but having so many defective ones out there is making them look bad.
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Originally Posted by MovieExchange
I've contacted Universal about the poor quality of DVD-18's, and their response was a semi-politely phrased "we don't give a shit."
My response was "I'm going to start buying bootlegs of the items you release on DVD-18's."
Not that I am telling anyone else to buy bootlegs, but if people would at least start refusing to buy poor quality DVD's, the companies might reconsider their stance. I'll pay more for quality merchandise.
My response was "I'm going to start buying bootlegs of the items you release on DVD-18's."
Not that I am telling anyone else to buy bootlegs, but if people would at least start refusing to buy poor quality DVD's, the companies might reconsider their stance. I'll pay more for quality merchandise.
If Universal doesn't care enough to offer me a quality product, regardless of the cost, I'm certainly not going out of my way to give them my money. Bootlegs, used, library "home copies", whatever it takes.
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I only found out about the DVD-18 problems this last week after I read some reviews while contemplating a few DVD purchases including a couple Universal DVD-18s. I had already bought all 4 of the Abbott & Costellos and a few others.
Since the above responses seem to indicate that Universal doesn't care about their customers getting stuck with defective discs if they don't watch them within the return period, it would be a waste of time for me to contact them. I guess I'll also have to avoid any future Universal DVD-18 purchases now that I know this.
- Does anyone know if the problem with these DVD-18s will get worse over time (i.e. like some form of DVD rot)? Or are these DVD-18 problems due to a misalignment of the 2 layers meaning that discs should not change over time?
Hopefully it's the latter because then I would only have to worry about the discs which have bad error scans.
For people who have had problems with these DVD-18s, is the freezing problem always at the layer change or can it happen anywhere on the disc? Does the picture start to break up and pixellate, or is it always a lockup? Hopefully hitting fast forward allows people to get past it.
Since the above responses seem to indicate that Universal doesn't care about their customers getting stuck with defective discs if they don't watch them within the return period, it would be a waste of time for me to contact them. I guess I'll also have to avoid any future Universal DVD-18 purchases now that I know this.
- Does anyone know if the problem with these DVD-18s will get worse over time (i.e. like some form of DVD rot)? Or are these DVD-18 problems due to a misalignment of the 2 layers meaning that discs should not change over time?
Hopefully it's the latter because then I would only have to worry about the discs which have bad error scans.
For people who have had problems with these DVD-18s, is the freezing problem always at the layer change or can it happen anywhere on the disc? Does the picture start to break up and pixellate, or is it always a lockup? Hopefully hitting fast forward allows people to get past it.
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Originally Posted by mike7162
If Universal doesn't care enough to offer me a quality product, regardless of the cost, I'm certainly not going out of my way to give them my money. Bootlegs, used, library "home copies", whatever it takes.
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Same here with the Hammer set. I returned it to Universal and they sent back another that still failed. They claimed to have "tested" it and found it to be error free. I complained again and they're "looking into it".
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Report your DVD-18 problems here:
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/faq/dvd18.cfm
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/faq/dvd18.cfm
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Its nice to see that Sony isn't double-siding Green Acres season 3 after the first two seasons were double-sided by MGM but I haven't heard of problems with those.
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'scuse my ignorance, but what exactly are PIF and PIE scans, and what are their significance?
Would my friend's DVD-ROM drive be capable of running them, it would sure beat watching these discs all the way through over and over. I've not bought any 'cos of the awful problems people have been having with them.
Would my friend's DVD-ROM drive be capable of running them, it would sure beat watching these discs all the way through over and over. I've not bought any 'cos of the awful problems people have been having with them.
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I own a few of their double sided dvds (Casino, Hammer Set, Mallrats). All play fine on my Onkyo player. I need to try them out on my Panasonic to see if they work on it. I don't hate 2-sided discs, but I'd rather have cover art on a disc. Plus, you have to be extra care handling those kinds to avoid leaving any type of fingerprint.
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I know that I'm gonna have to dibble in bootlegs, at least to REPLACE my original disc with in a few cases... I have a bad disc in my Hitchcock Masterpiece collection, and Universal wants me to send the whole box back, meaning it's a gamble whether the replacements will be good or not
Universal CS is pretty bad.
Universal CS is pretty bad.
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If you have some of the players that struggle with these Technicolor Mexico DVD-18s there is not much you can do. I have Sony players and a Sharp and all of them struggled with most except for the Bela Lugosi disc that for some reason would not freeze up in my old Sony player from 1998. If you run a scan disc with some of the tools in Nero these DVD-18s come up with bad sectors so its not just our imagination.
I also tried going through Universal, but had no success. I ended up badgering Best Buy until they finally gave me store credit for the Hammer Collection and Columbo Season 3 (I exchanged that one somewhere around 10 times and all sets were defective). I'm basically avoiding any DVD-18s from Universal no matter how much I want the shows and movies released. Netflix rents many of these as DVD-9s so that may be a way to watch them without putting up with the headaches.
By now Universal has to know about there problems with Technicolor's plant but the fact they refuse to acknowledge it shows a sincere disinterest in the customers.
I'm just mad that no major news outlets got ahold of this story. Without threat of major public humiliation Universal will never do anything to correct these issues.
I also tried going through Universal, but had no success. I ended up badgering Best Buy until they finally gave me store credit for the Hammer Collection and Columbo Season 3 (I exchanged that one somewhere around 10 times and all sets were defective). I'm basically avoiding any DVD-18s from Universal no matter how much I want the shows and movies released. Netflix rents many of these as DVD-9s so that may be a way to watch them without putting up with the headaches.
By now Universal has to know about there problems with Technicolor's plant but the fact they refuse to acknowledge it shows a sincere disinterest in the customers.
I'm just mad that no major news outlets got ahold of this story. Without threat of major public humiliation Universal will never do anything to correct these issues.
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Originally Posted by Nebiroth
'scuse my ignorance, but what exactly are PIF and PIE scans, and what are their significance?
Would my friend's DVD-ROM drive be capable of running them, it would sure beat watching these discs all the way through over and over. I've not bought any 'cos of the awful problems people have been having with them.
Would my friend's DVD-ROM drive be capable of running them, it would sure beat watching these discs all the way through over and over. I've not bought any 'cos of the awful problems people have been having with them.
The reason I did the error scans on the Universal DVD-18s was that I knew I wouldn't have time to watch them all the way through for a long time, and I wanted to see what they looked like. However, DVD Talk does not seem to be a place where attaching error scan graphs is encouraged to show the difference between a good DVD-9, a good DVD-18, and a bad DVD-18, so I won't.
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Originally Posted by Nebiroth
'scuse my ignorance, but what exactly are PIF and PIE scans, and what are their significance?
Would my friend's DVD-ROM drive be capable of running them, it would sure beat watching these discs all the way through over and over. I've not bought any 'cos of the awful problems people have been having with them.
Would my friend's DVD-ROM drive be capable of running them, it would sure beat watching these discs all the way through over and over. I've not bought any 'cos of the awful problems people have been having with them.
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Back to my original points, I'm still hoping someone can answer the following:
- Is the problem with Universal DVD-18s that they are degrading over time such that most or all will go bad, or is the problem something like layer alignment where they are either good or bad when you get them and they are not likely to get any worse?
- Since my DVD-18s with bad error scans are all readable by a DVD-ROM drive (for the moment at least), I asked the above question because I wanted to know if the discs are in danger and it's worth going to the trouble of trying to rescue the data now, or if it's safe to wait to do that only if I have playback troubles when I finally get around to watching them?
- Is the problem with Universal DVD-18s that they are degrading over time such that most or all will go bad, or is the problem something like layer alignment where they are either good or bad when you get them and they are not likely to get any worse?
- Since my DVD-18s with bad error scans are all readable by a DVD-ROM drive (for the moment at least), I asked the above question because I wanted to know if the discs are in danger and it's worth going to the trouble of trying to rescue the data now, or if it's safe to wait to do that only if I have playback troubles when I finally get around to watching them?
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Originally Posted by ShagMan
Universal wants me to send the whole box back, meaning it's a gamble whether the replacements will be good or not
Universal CS is pretty bad.
Universal CS is pretty bad.
I'm just curious because some of the above posts indicated Universal didn't care and wouldn't do replacements, but your post indicates otherwise.
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Yeah I never realized the widespread problem until American Gothic came out. Now that I search around, everyone is having problems with Universal. It's amazing these criminals can get away with this! There is absolutley no reason to buy a dvd-18 with problems consistently showing up. They won't get one more penny out of me.
BOYCOTT UNIVERSAL !!!
BOYCOTT UNIVERSAL !!!
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old disc gone bad
I have an older Universal disc of Draucula (not the legacy collection), and it seems to be giving me problems now. It used to work ok, but now I have tried it on 2 different DVD players, and it is freezing up and wont even play the Spanish version. I have sent back other DVD's for replacement back to Deep Discount DVD, "Casino" being one of them, and the new one works fine.
My Cleopatra 2525 disc is giving me problems also. Frustrating.
My Cleopatra 2525 disc is giving me problems also. Frustrating.
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Ummm...Technicolor don't do these discs, do they? I though it was Deluxe?
I know others have run error scans on troublesome discs and weirdly found that no errors are reported, but I guess they're doing things like surface scans, since the most obvious candidate for player freezes/pixellation is a flaw in the disc.
I know others have run error scans on troublesome discs and weirdly found that no errors are reported, but I guess they're doing things like surface scans, since the most obvious candidate for player freezes/pixellation is a flaw in the disc.
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Originally Posted by Nebiroth
I know others have run error scans on troublesome discs and weirdly found that no errors are reported, but I guess they're doing things like surface scans, since the most obvious candidate for player freezes/pixellation is a flaw in the disc.
I'm still hoping somebody will know if these DVD-18 discs are degrading or if once you get a good DVD-18 it will stay good. Is there a manufacturer mint mark guide for DVDs so that I can identify Technicolor made in Mexico vs. other plants in other locations?
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Originally Posted by Manzana
Is there a manufacturer mint mark guide for DVDs so that I can identify Technicolor made in Mexico vs. other plants in other locations?
AFAIK the "made in Mexico" is either a sticker inside the shrinkwrap or some discs have it stamped near the ident codes.
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They are Deluxe, not Technicolor.
AFAIK the "made in Mexico" is either a sticker inside the shrinkwrap or some discs have it stamped near the ident codes.
AFAIK the "made in Mexico" is either a sticker inside the shrinkwrap or some discs have it stamped near the ident codes.
BTW for a question asked earlier, I did get Universal to swap out my Columbo discs when I first had an error. They wanted the discs only and proof of purchase and it took about 2 weeks to get the replacement discs and they were also faulty and made in Mexico. So good luck getting replacements from Universal. You might ask for the Netflix DVD-9 versions as replacements if they will do that.