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2021 Elections Discussion Thread

There are a lot of elections in 2021 that are worthy of discussion so here we go.

On the Republican side former President Trump has been trying to demonstrate his kingmaker power and so far he has had mixed results. His endorsed candidate in Texas lost and his Ohio candidate won. In both cases Trump even spent some of his PAC's money to support the candidates. $100k in Texas and $300k in Ohio, of course that is not really that much considering it is being reported his PAC has taken in over 100 million but for Trump to spend any money on someone other then himself is pretty amazing.

On the Democratic side Nina Turner lost in the primary for Ohio's 11th District to Shontel Brown. It was an interesting race, Turner, a Sanders Acolyte, entered the race as the candidate with the most name recognition and in early polling was ahead of all the others with 50% support. She was endorsed by Sanders, AOC and others, she also raised more money then her competition but in the end Turner could not out run her past. In a district that voted for President Biden by a 2-1 margin, it most definitely hurt her when voters were reminded that she compared voting for Biden in 2020, to eating a bowl of shit. Considering Clinton also won this district in 2016, reminding people that Turner endorsed Jill Stein in the 2016 general probably hurt her also. To top everything off, agreeing with rapper Killer Mike that Jim Clyburn was "incredibly stupid" for backing Biden, was not a wise move. According to Clyburn, he had no plans to go to Cleveland or get physically involved in the campaign but once he was call "incredibly stupid" he changed his mind. Along with Clyburn, the CBC (Congressional Black Caucus) and the DMFI (Democratic Majority for Israel) also got involved and it was basically over for Turner.

Sadly, Turner in defeat turn to a pathetic Anti-Semitic trope when she blamed "Evil Money" for the loss. I really wish Turner would leave the Democratic party, she simply is not the type of person the party needs.

Coming up is the California Recall election. The most recent poll showed that there was a 50-50 chance for the recall to be successful.

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Really a 50-50 chance of recall? That's terrifying. If the recall in California is successful, Newson will immediately be replaced by a Trumpy Republican and they will start pulling TX & FL shit in CA. Yikes.
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It's a shame Nina Turner lost. She would have done a ton of good in Congress. Hopefully she runs again next year for the same seat. There was nothing anti-semetic about calling out being outspent when you were outspent. Brown's contributors included Hillary Clinton and republicans. Was happy to donate to her campaign and hope to do so again in the future.
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There was nothing anti-semetic about calling out being outspent when you were outspent.
I’m reading she raised twice as much as her opponent? Also, the modifier “evil” is quite the accusation to be hurling at the other side’s donors.
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It's a shame Nina Turner lost. She would have done a ton of good in Congress. Hopefully she runs again next year for the same seat. There was nothing anti-semetic about calling out being outspent when you were outspent. Brown's contributors included Hillary Clinton and republicans. Was happy to donate to her campaign and hope to do so again in the future.
Nina Turner was not outspent — she raised more than twice as much money as Shontel Brown. Nor was she out-organized. She just acted like an asshole and her constituents saw it. They didn’t want to send somebody to Washington to continue fighting imaginary grievances against Hillary Clinton and “establishment Democrats.” They wanted to send someone who would work with the Democratic Party to advance progressive legislative goals. It’s that simple.
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Originally Posted by Nesbit View Post
It's a shame Nina Turner lost. She would have done a ton of good in Congress. Hopefully she runs again next year for the same seat. There was nothing anti-semetic about calling out being outspent when you were outspent. Brown's contributors included Hillary Clinton and republicans. Was happy to donate to her campaign and hope to do so again in the future.
She would have done as much good as AOC, IMO (which is substantively, not much). Of the handful of reports that I read about the election, she out-raised and out-spent Shontell Brown. It is people like Krystal and Saagar who puffed her up beyond her chances and are now whining about how the Democratic establishment squashed the latest champion of progressive causes. (I like them but I know how biased they are, and they openly admit it)

She's a rigid, rhetorical bomb thrower that generates more heat than light. There are many people who are tired. Tired of the pandemic. Tired of that half of the country that has to be dragged kicking and screaming to do the right thing to get past the pandemic. Tired of thunderdome-style politics. Certainly not everyone, but there are some... certainly enough to have edge Turner out.
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Really a 50-50 chance of recall? That's terrifying. If the recall in California is successful, Newson will immediately be replaced by a Trumpy Republican and they will start pulling TX & FL shit in CA. Yikes.
Or it will be like the recall of Gray Davis when Arnold became the governator. He talked about a lot of chances but the state senate kept blocking his efforts until he finally gave up and stayed in LA.
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She would have done as much good as AOC, IMO (which is substantively, not much). Of the handful of reports that I read about the election, she out-raised and out-spent Shontell Brown. It is people like Krystal and Saagar who puffed her up beyond her chances and are now whining about how the Democratic establishment squashed the latest champion of progressive causes. (I like them but I know how biased they are, and they openly admit it)

She's a rigid, rhetorical bomb thrower that generates more heat than light. There are many people who are tired. Tired of the pandemic. Tired of that half of the country that has to be dragged kicking and screaming to do the right thing to get past the pandemic. Tired of thunderdome-style politics. Certainly not everyone, but there are some... certainly enough to have edge Turner out.
Maybe Nina Turner wants to take us Beyond Thunderdome.
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Maybe Nina Turner wants to take us Beyond Thunderdome.
Maybe. But we don't need another hero.
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^ Nice.
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Or it will be like the recall of Gray Davis when Arnold became the governator. He talked about a lot of chances but the state senate kept blocking his efforts until he finally gave up and stayed in LA.
Well the way it works this time, as I have read, is that it's a two question vote : 1) Should Newsom be recalled, and 2) Who should replace him? So if #1 gets 50% of the vote then whoever has the most votes on #2 is the next Governor of California. No second campaign, no runoff election, no downhill ski race. So if #1 passes, one of two Trump Republicans is Governor the next day.
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There are 46 candidates on the recall ballot, the last poll from a couple of days ago had Democrat Kevin Paffrath, a YouTuber and real estate broker, currently leading the pack with 27% of likely voters saying he's their pick.

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There are 46 candidates on the recall ballot, the last poll from a couple of days ago had Democrat Kevin Paffrath, a YouTuber and real estate broker, currently leading the pack with 27% of likely voters saying he's their pick.
That poll was meaningless as it listed Paffrath as the only Democrat option to vote for. On the actual recall ballot he is gonna split his vote with the other Dems since literally he has minimal name id
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Well the way it works this time, as I have read, is that it's a two question vote : 1) Should Newsom be recalled, and 2) Who should replace him? So if #1 gets 50% of the vote then whoever has the most votes on #2 is the next Governor of California. No second campaign, no runoff election, no downhill ski race. So if #1 passes, one of two Trump Republicans is Governor the next day.
Thats how it worked last time. Gray Davis was polling so low, though, that everyone knew the second question mattered.
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Nina Turner was not outspent — she raised more than twice as much money as Shontel Brown. Nor was she out-organized. She just acted like an asshole and her constituents saw it. They didn’t want to send somebody to Washington to continue fighting imaginary grievances against Hillary Clinton and “establishment Democrats.” They wanted to send someone who would work with the Democratic Party to advance progressive legislative goals. It’s that simple.
Hillary Clinton endorsed her opponent. Do you think that was an endorsement for Shontel Brown or against Nina Turner? If you think it was pro Brown I would love to hear what attracted Hillary Clinton to the Ohio special election...

Also Brown was funded by republicans. Do you think they also wanted the person who would work to advance progressive legislative goals?

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She would have done as much good as AOC, IMO (which is substantively, not much). Of the handful of reports that I read about the election, she out-raised and out-spent Shontell Brown. It is people like Krystal and Saagar who puffed her up beyond her chances and are now whining about how the Democratic establishment squashed the latest champion of progressive causes. (I like them but I know how biased they are, and they openly admit it)

She's a rigid, rhetorical bomb thrower that generates more heat than light. There are many people who are tired. Tired of the pandemic. Tired of that half of the country that has to be dragged kicking and screaming to do the right thing to get past the pandemic. Tired of thunderdome-style politics. Certainly not everyone, but there are some... certainly enough to have edge Turner out.
Or maybe she could do as much good as Cori Bush did this last week when she stopped millions from being evicted.

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Hillary Clinton endorsed her opponent. Do you think that was an endorsement for Shontel Brown or against Nina Turner? If you think it was pro Brown I would love to hear what attracted Hillary Clinton to the Ohio special election...
Why did a prominent national politician make an endorsement in a House special election? How is that a real question?

Why did Hillary Clinton endorse Shontel Brown? Because Shontel Brown is a better candidate by any measure that someone from Hillary Clinton's wing of the party might use. Shontel Brown is an actual politician and Nina Turner is a bomb-thrower who seems to be in it solely for the Twitter likes. If you think Hillary Clinton has spent the last four years nursing a grudge, waiting for the exact right moment to get her "revenge" on Nina Turner, then I don't know what to tell you.
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Hillary Clinton isn't holding a grudge about 2016?


OK.

Can you imagine the fucking nerve of someone who lost a popularity contest to Donald Fuckboi Trump calling the most popular politician in the nation unpopular and saying shit like "No one likes him" like a 5 year child after he worked hard to try and get her elected in 2016 and still doesn't publicly badmouth her to this day.

Plenty of other examples of her petty pathetic grudge are available upon request.

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Hillary Clinton isn't holding a grudge about 2016?

https://youtu.be/rKKxDn84yg8

OK.

Can you imagine the fucking nerve of someone who lost a popularity contest to Donald Fuckboi Trump calling the most popular politician in the nation unpopular and saying shit like "No one likes him" like a 5 year child after he worked hard to try and get her elected in 2016 and still doesn't publicly badmouth her to this day.

Plenty of other examples of her petty pathetic grudge are available upon request.
She didn’t lose the popularity contest to Trump. Winning the majority of votes is the “popularity contest”, which she won.

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The fact that she lost in any swing state to Donald Trump shows that she is not a popular person. I'd say (fairly or unfairly) she's the most hated politician of the last 50 years.
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Hopefully she runs again next year for the same seat.
Turner couldn't win the primary for an open seat, unless something drastically changes it's doubtful she and the Justice Democrats will be able to primary Brown out after one year in office.

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Hillary Clinton endorsed her opponent. Do you think that was an endorsement for Shontel Brown or against Nina Turner? If you think it was pro Brown I would love to hear what attracted Hillary Clinton to the Ohio special election...
I don't know attracted Clinton to this election, perhaps Brown reached out to her and asked for an endorsement, perhaps Clinton did it as an FU to Turner, it really doesn't matter. What does matter is that Clinton is very popular in that district and curb stomped Sanders so her endorsement was much more valuable then Sanders endorsement.
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Also Brown was funded by republicans. Do you think they also wanted the person who would work to advance progressive legislative goals?
Brown did get some funding from some republicans but it wasn't for the reason you think, they weren't concerned about Turner's domestic legislative goals. If you look at the list of Brown's republican donors, they all have one thing in common, they are pro Israel. One of the donors was Robert Kraft, who is Jewish and pro Israel so it would make sense for him to donate to a candidate that is pro Israel over a candidate that is not. Of course after Turner's Anti-Semitic trope the other day, I'm certain all the Jewish republicans that donated to Brown feel their money was well spent.
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I don't know attracted Clinton to this election, perhaps Brown reached out to her and asked for an endorsement, perhaps Clinton did it as an FU to Turner, it really doesn't matter.
It does when responding to someone claiming that Nina Turner fabricated a feud with Clinton.

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What does matter is that Clinton is very popular in that district and curb stomped Sanders so her endorsement was much more valuable then Sanders endorsement.
Sure. No debate here.

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Turner's Anti-Semitic trope the other day, .
Saying "Dirty money" doesnt make someone an anti semite especially when the person saying it is pointing out funding that isn't specifically Jewish. If you have a clip or item showing Turner focusing on Kraft or acting antiemetic in any way please share it.

Thank you for separating someone being Jewish and being pro Isreal. I'm not "pro Israel", not the Israel of today anyways. That doesn't make me or anyone else who wants Palestinians equality anti semetic in any way.
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What your spin on “Evil Money” , Nesbit? (And it was Evil Money not “Dirty Money”). In what context is that an okay thing to say?
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On the California recall front the state Republican party decided not to endorse any of the candidates on the ballot. They reasoned that if they did endorse a candidate supporters of the other candidates may decided to sit out the election. Everyone get ready for Governor Elder. (God help us)

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She would have done as much good as AOC, IMO (which is substantively, not much). Of the handful of reports that I read about the election, she out-raised and out-spent Shontell Brown. It is people like Krystal and Saagar who puffed her up beyond her chances and are now whining about how the Democratic establishment squashed the latest champion of progressive causes. (I like them but I know how biased they are, and they openly admit it)

She's a rigid, rhetorical bomb thrower that generates more heat than light. There are many people who are tired. Tired of the pandemic. Tired of that half of the country that has to be dragged kicking and screaming to do the right thing to get past the pandemic. Tired of thunderdome-style politics. Certainly not everyone, but there are some... certainly enough to have edge Turner out.
You make this argument as if the choice was between Turner and an empty seat. Sure, Turner would have accomplished nothing, aside from making other Democrats less electable, but Brown will likely be an effective legislator.

It's quite telling that Senator Sanders, displaying all the maturity of a toddler who just soiled their diaper, is attacking the Democratic nominee for a congressional seat. He's clearly someone whose priority is enacting a progressive agenda, and not just being a grudge-holding, spoiled brat. But then again, he's not a Democrat. Just like Nina Turner.
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What your spin on “Evil Money” , Nesbit? (And it was Evil Money not “Dirty Money”). In what context is that an okay thing to say?
I would guess it has to do with money coming in from people whose organization we have a thread on needing to destroy because they're .... evil.

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