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Old 08-27-21, 05:51 PM
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I've heard of Angelyne. She has high name recognition so I expect her to get the most votes.



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^ Iím sure she dominated the poles, er, polls.
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I've heard of Angelyne. She has high name recognition so I expect her to get the most votes.


This isn't her first recall attempt. She ran before, but Ahnold won.
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This isn't her first recall attempt. She ran before, but Ahnold won.
Gary Coleman and the singer of TSOL were on the ballot too that year.
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Current polls have the recall of Newsom failing, but it'll be pretty close. I got my ballot in last night.

One thing I do like is Democratic ads that are calling it the "Republican Recall" and tying the leading Republican candidates to Trump. About time we took a page out of their playbook, ya know?
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No I donít know. If we get the Democrats version of MAGA or anything on their scale of delusion or their political version of televangelism I wonít have anyone to represent me.
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No I donít know. If we get the Democrats version of MAGA or anything on their scale of delusion or their political version of televangelism I wonít have anyone to represent me.
There's nothing dishonest about linking Larry Elder to Trump, though. I think Paff's talking more about using language in more aggressive ways instead of pussy-footing around everything or trying to over-explain everything like Democrats like to do.
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My coworkers were talking about voting to recall Gavin. I'm like "Dudes, we work for the state. Remember the last time the governor was recalled? who got screwed? The state workers!"
A new Rep. governor does not have many powers but one of them is to mess with the state programs and workers; everything else the state senate can stop.
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My coworkers were talking about voting to recall Gavin. I'm like "Dudes, we work for the state. Remember the last time the governor was recalled? who got screwed? The state workers!"
A new Rep. governor does not have many powers but one of them is to mess with the state programs and workers; everything else the state senate can stop.
My dad was a career federal employee who voted consistently for Republicans until Obama and it always perplexed me. How can you support Reagan when he's out here spouting his "The scariest sentence in the English language is 'we're from the government and we're here to help'" nonsense? You're from the government, dad!
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My dad was a career federal employee who voted consistently for Republicans until Obama and it always perplexed me. How can you support Reagan when he's out here spouting his "The scariest sentence in the English language is 'we're from the government and we're here to help'" nonsense? You're from the government, dad!
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There's nothing dishonest about linking Larry Elder to Trump, though. I think Paff's talking more about using language in more aggressive ways instead of pussy-footing around everything or trying to over-explain everything like Democrats like to do.
Yeah, pretty much. The GOP has had great success taking a Democratic stance (defund the police, Green New Deal, democratic socialism, free elections), stigmatizing it, and using it as a weapon against any and all Democratic candidates. And making it stick.

Like you said, Elder is a Trump supporter, so it's not even dishonest. But tying this whole recall into Trump, and the failed policies of Republican-run states is a proper stance.

I mean, Elder has already come out and said that if Dianne Feinstein can't finish her Senate term, he'll replace her with a Republican. That's Republicanism in a nutshell; win with a minority of votes, and replace fairly elected Democrats with similar-minded Republicans. It still amazes me that anyone can support this party.
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I certainly hope the polls are correct, Elder is nothing more then conservative talk radio trash.

Don’t Elder my California

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Looking good for Newsom. Wanna know how? On Fox, they're already talking about "rampant" voter fraud in California.
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It’s not over until it’s over.

After this California needs to over overhaul the recall process, starting with the number of signatures needed to qualify a petition. It should probably be 30% or 40% instead of the current 12%.
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After this California needs to over overhaul the recall process, starting with the number of signatures needed to qualify a petition. It should probably be 30% or 40% instead of the current 12%.
Oh yeah. We've learned that all it takes is a handful of pissed-off voters that are butthurt by the results of the election to overturn the will of millions. A device used for extreme circumstances (like major misdeeds by an elected official, instead of them doing pretty much what they said they'd do) has been hi-jacked by some sore losers. This is why we can't have nice things.
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This is smart politics even if not necessarily correct :
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And I say keep it going. Bring a gun to a gun fight. GOP keeps playing dirty, why shouldn't the Dems? I mean, how many times did we hear that electing Biden would bring the Green New Deal despite Democratic leadership voting against it?
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And I say keep it going. Bring a gun to a gun fight. GOP keeps playing dirty, why shouldn't the Dems? I mean, how many times did we hear that electing Biden would bring the Green New Deal despite Democratic leadership voting against it?
We're a nation of laws. Actions are either lawful or not. The idea that there is any benefit in playing "fair" or "dirty" (whatever those are and whoever defines them) is out of place in 21st century post-truth America.

There is no value in staying as far from the boundary lines as possible. The boundary lines define what is "in" and what is "out". A soccer team that doesn't use the entire width of the field is at a disadvantage against a team that will use the entire width and risk going out of bounds.

One of the distinctives of Trumpism is to take and make the most permission definition of what is legal and run with it. If anyone challenges that, double-down and let them prove that it isn't legal. Let them take you to court and force the court to decide. Use the system. Push the system to its limits... and learn that the boundaries are not as restrictive as people assumed.

The Democratic Party needs to do that. They won't.
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Elder has always been way out there. He's a Libertarian not a Republican. I listed to him a decade + on his radio program on the local station out here before they replaced him in 2014. His positions can seem extreme but if given the opportunity to explain he's very good at showing his perspective on things and the facts and figures that go with it. I certainly don't expect the media to give him any of that type of time - instead they'll just run the wacky quotes and do what they can to scare people away - it's what they do.

So I really hate Newsome he's like the biggest slimeball liar in the world but I certainly don't expect liberal California to replace him and even if they did he'd be useless in office since it's a fully Democratic California congress he'd have to deal with. I think the worse that would happen is we wouldn't have a tax increase next year and Californian's love more tax.. so.. can't have that.

About the reason for the recall. it's not all Republicans and sour grapes. I know plenty of Democrats that are voting yes to impeach. Like I said earlier he says one thing and does another. He says don't gather without a mask and then gathers without a mask, he closes businesses due to the pandemic but makes sure his stays open, he closes schools but sends his kinds to private schools that are still open. The prevailing feeling is that he ruined countless lives with his knee-jerk decisions to close everything without really having any clue what he was doing - all the while making sure he and his friends were good to go. .As you drive around out here you see closed businesses and higher taxes. Didn't need to be this way. That's the real reason for the recall.. Perhaps it's not reason enough for some but the recall process was followed and yeah if people don't like it perhaps it should be changed. But don't blame people who are using the only system put in place.

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We just had this crazy tax surplus (which they spent) so if they call for increased taxes next year, I'm going to balk at it.
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We just had this crazy tax surplus (which they spent) so if they call for increased taxes next year, I'm going to balk at it.
And do what?
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About the reason for the recall. it's not all Republicans and sour grapes. I know plenty of Democrats that are voting yes to impeach. Like I said earlier he says one thing and does another. He says don't gather without a mask and then gathers without a mask, he closes businesses due to the pandemic but makes sure his stays open, he closes schools but sends his kinds to private schools that are still open. The prevailing feeling is that he ruined countless lives with his knee-jerk decisions to close everything without really having any clue what he was doing - all the while making sure he and his friends were good to go. .As you drive around out here you see closed businesses and higher taxes. Didn't need to be this way. That's the real reason for the recall.. Perhaps it's not reason enough for some but the recall process was followed and yeah if people don't like it perhaps it should be changed. But don't blame people who are using the only system put in place.
Voting him out of office at the next election is out of the question? I wasn't aware that Governor of California is a for-life position. Learn something new every day.
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Voting him out of office at the next election is out of the question? I wasn't aware that Governor of California is a for-life position. Learn something new every day.
I'm referring to people who are complaining about he impeachment process. If you don't like the process - change the process. Don't blame people who use the process that's available to them. Folks just want him out now before another year of the pandemic goes around and he shuts everything down again. Personally I think he learned his lesson and realizes now what he did harmful and not helpful and I doubt he's going to do it again. I think others don't have that level of confidence. But I mean look at us now where Covid levels are higher than they were when we shut down last year and he's not shutting everything down again. But perhaps he's just waiting for the recall to be over. Really you never know with him.
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Less sarcastically than my previous post, I see what you're saying; some of Newsom's Covid responses (at least in regards to making sure he personally still has access to his favorite restaurants and schools) could be considered selfish and shitty, I just don't think they rise to the level of needing removal from office outside of voting someone else in at the next election. You're absolutely right that the system is being used as written, but just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD (yes, I'm quoting Jurassic Park). The process exists for malfeasance and illegal acts, not being a less-than-outstanding politician. And unfortunately, the process will have to be changed because again this is a handful of pissed-off people and doesn't reflect the majority opinion of California voters. The handful is all you need by state law, and that's gonna have to change. Because at some point there will be REAL malfeasance, like crimes committed in office. To me, that's what the recall process is for, not flip-flopping or being self-serving. For that, you wait till the next election.

The other big issue with the California recall process (again, this is in the way it's written, but I feel is being exploited by the Republicans) is that the replacement does NOT have to get more votes than the existing governor. If 51% vote to recall, then Elder or anyone for that matter could be elected with a substantially smaller portion of the vote. THAT'S fishy and you gotta admit that. It's what happened with Ah-nold in '03. He got far fewer votes than those that wanted to keep Gray Davis, but because enough people voted "Yes" on the recall, we got the Governator with a minority vote.

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