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The Killing of George Floyd Thread

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Black man dies in Minneapolis police custody after video shows officer kneeling on neck

MINNEAPOLIS – A black man has died in Minneapolis police custody after video shared online from a bystander showed a white officer kneeling on his neck during his arrest as he pleaded that he couldn't breathe.

His death Monday night after a struggle with officers was under investigation by the FBI and state agents. It drew comparisons to the case of Eric Garner, an unarmed black New York man who died in 2014 after he was placed in a chokehold by police and pleaded for his life saying he couldn’t breathe.

On Tuesday morning, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey apologized to the black community in a post on his Facebook page.

“Being Black in America should not be a death sentence. For five minutes, we watched a white officer press his knee into a Black man’s neck. Five minutes. When you hear someone calling for help, you’re supposed to help. This officer failed in the most basic, human sense,” Frey posted.

'Man, I can't breathe'

Minneapolis police said the man matched the description of a suspect in a forgery case and resisted arrest. The video shows an unidentified officer kneeling on his neck and ignoring his pleas. “Please, please, please, I can’t breathe. Please, man,” the man is heard telling the officer.

After several minutes, one of the officers tells the man to “relax.” “Man, I can’t breathe,” he responds. Minutes pass and the man becomes motionless under the officer’s restraint. The officer leaves his knee on the man's neck for several minutes more.


Several witnesses had gathered on a nearby sidewalk, with some recording on their phones. Bystanders became increasing agitated as the man pleaded with police. One bystander tells officers that they need to let him breathe. Another yelled at the officers to check the man's pulse.

Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo, speaking to reporters Tuesday, was asked about the use of the knee on the man's neck during the arrest.



“We clearly have policies in place regarding placing someone under control,” Arradondo said, explaining that those policies “will be part of the full investigation we’ll do internally.”

The New York City officer in the Garner case said he was using a legal maneuver called “the seat belt” to bring down Garner, whom police said had been resisting arrest. But the medical examiner referred to it as a chokehold in the autopsy report and said it contributed to his death. Chokehold maneuvers are banned under New York police policy.



In Minneapolis, kneeling on a suspect's neck is allowed under the department’s use-of-force policy for officers who have received training in how to compress a neck without applying direct pressure to the airway. It is considered a “non-deadly force option,” according to the department’s policy handbook.

A chokehold is considered a deadly force option and involves someone obstructing the airway. According to the department’s use-of-force policy, officers are to use only an amount of force necessary that would be objectively reasonable.

Messages left with the police officers' union were not immediately returned.

Officers called to investigate report of forgery, police said

Nekima Levy-Armstrong, a prominent local activist, said watching the footage that was shared on social media made her “sick to her stomach” and said it reminded her of the Garner case, she told the Star Tribune. A grand jury later decided against indicting the officers involved in Garner's death, sparking protests around the country.

The man's death in Minneapolis also came amid outrage over the death of Ahmaud Arbery, who was fatally shot Feb. 23 when a white father and son pursued the 25-year-old black man after spotting him running in their subdivision. More than two months passed before charges were brought.

Officers in Minneapolis were called about 8 p.m. Monday to investigate a report of a forgery at a business, according to police spokesman John Elder. Police found the man, believed to be in his 40s, matching the suspect’s description in his car.

“He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers,” Elder said in a statement. “Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress.”


The man, who was not immediately identified, was taken by ambulance to a hospital, where he soon died, police said. His name and cause of death were expected to be released by the medical examiner.

All body camera footage has been turned over to the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, and the agency asked to speak with anyone who saw the arrest or recorded video. The officers involved have been put on paid administrative leave, per department protocol. The agency said the officers' names will be released after initial interviews with the people involved and witnesses.

The FBI is conducting a separate federal civil rights investigation, at the request of Minneapolis police, the BCA said. Messages left with the FBI were not immediately returned.


Police in Minneapolis have come under the microscope in recent years for deadly run-ins with citizens. A 24-year-old black man, Jamar Clark, was shot in the head and died in 2015 after a confrontation with two white officers responding to a reported assault. A county prosecutor declined to prosecute the officers, saying Clark was struggling for one of the officers’ gun when he was shot.

A white woman, Justine Rusczcyk Damond, died in 2017 when she was shot in the stomach by a Minneapolis officer responding to her 911 call. That officer, who is black, was convicted of manslaughter and murder and is serving a 12-year prison sentence.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...he/5258021002/

I almost posted this in the race thread but I guess it belongs here. Or maybe we should merge the threads.
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Video not conclusive. Did he die with a knee on his neck, or because of a knee on his neck?
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The video is a very disturbing watch, the cop in question shows zero empathy or concern at all. Basically looks like a stone cold sociopath.

What is running through these guys' heads when they're doing this? Do they not appreciate the fragility of human life? This wasn't a case of a cop panicking and shooting his gun before he had time to think, it's 10 minutes of prolonged torture for no reason whatsoever.
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Shits getting crazy in Minneapolis right now. Heres one thread. The tweeter looks like he may have stoped posting on it but thats the start and hes still posting updates separately

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I was at the protest for the first half of the night.

The initial rally was where George Floyd was murdered. It's right outside a prominent neighborhood corner store, the kind of store "everybody" goes to at least once. The speakers were brilliant, the emotions were palpable. Huge crowd, a brilliant mix of people of color and white people, saw many ages. I'd say it skewed younger (early 20s) and black, taming the platform to share their emotions. People were doing their best to keep physically distant yet it was really challenging. Most were masked, and I found it was difficult to recognize friends and colleagues until we were pretty much right by each other.

I didn't see any uniformed police, squad cars, or city barricades. Streets were blocked by protestor vehicles and other barricades as far as I could tell. This was different than the Philando Castille porteat at the Governor's residence, where police set up barricades to block the street for the peaceful protest and were simply present and patient on the perimeter but not in riot gear or anything. At some point there was gunfire and the people were subdued but that's sketchy to me, I have heard the story from a trusted friend who was there but can't place when it was, personally.

I went with the march toward the precinct. I had my "go bag" with me (a fanny pack strapped across my chest with hand sanitizer, extra gloves, masks, poncho, wipes, sunscreen, granola bars, water bottle, etc.). I kept up well, but ultimately I needed to stop halfway on the 2.5-mile march and turn around to take care of my own health and safety. I thought it looked like it would be challenging to stay physically distant consistently, and if you've ever been on a march you always have to remember: when you're halfway in, you're less than halfway out. There's the rally at the destination, and you've got to be prepared to last a long while. As a larger person, I need to be aware of my capacity for longer marches, especially in a mask and particularly into an unknown situation. I'm no good to anyone if I get sick or hurt for the sake of completing a march.

I headed back to where George Floyd was murdered, checked in with people, prayed, and headed home. At around the same time, that's when a handful of protestors at the precinct started lashing out with violence, then the polic escalated, and things got out of hand from there. When I got in the car, I heard on the radio the tear gas and rubber bullets had literally just started, so I immediately called my spouse so she knew I wasn't in that.

The organized protest was peaceful and meaningful. A handful of people ignored the please of the organizers and started smashing windows. But some of the organizers were compelled to stay to capture footage of what's going on. Not only that, many people and organizations who were livestreaming to social media found their signals all out at the same time, leading some to wonder if the police were able to jam the signal somehow. I have no idea if that can happen, but many people did cut out at the same time (could be the weather, could be anything, but it's still odd). I'll say this: I don't think violence is the answer, and I don't think civilians should start stuff with police, but reports are police offered zero warnings or call for dispersal before they started launching tear gas and when it flew, it was indiscriminate. That is a bad, bad move.

There was one really scary moment early on in the rally. If you weren't close enough to the epicenter, you couldn't hear the speakers, an effect of both distance and people trying to be physically distant from one another. Out of the blue, there's this loud, I mean loud enging revving and we all scattered, images of Heather Heyer in our minds. Turns out, they had a small fleet of fancy choppers to lead the march. People were pretty rattled by that, but moved on quickly.

This is going to be a hard time for our city. This isn't over anytime soon. Lord, in your mercy.

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You think maybe we can leave the murder porn out of thread or at least spoiler it? Anyone can just watch the video if they want to see that kind of thing.
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I hope everyone wears their masks and practices safe social distancing while protesting.
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I hope everyone wears their masks and practices safe social distancing while protesting.
Do you really? I donít believe you.
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I don't think violence is the answer, and I don't think civilians should start stuff with police, .
I dunno man. I'm starting to think violence is the ONLY thing these fucking racist cops do understand.
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I dunno man. I'm starting to think violence is the ONLY thing these fucking racist cops do understand.
I agree, the government of this country solves its problems with violence. So....
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Protests spreading out to LA where at least one police car was attacked and Minneapolis looks worse tonight than last.

To anyone who says this is unproductive I'd ask this. I don't think those four murderers will be allowed on another police force. How else do you think the people could prevent that from happening? These pieces of shit don't care that theyre photographed for the world to see. Nothing short of this would stop transfer papers from being processed as we speak.
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I have a couple of friends who are cops or county sheriff's deputies. While I am not in any way defending what this officer did, I do know that cops are used to seeing people at their absolute worst. They get cynical and hardened really fast. The entire profession needs an overhaul if you ask me. More counseling and support for LEOs so that they don't get to the point this guy did where they're just stone cold while some guy chokes to death. And, sorry to say it, but less power on the part of unions to keep bad ones on the job.
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I dunno man. I'm starting to think violence is the ONLY thing these fucking racist cops do understand.
Violence solves nothing. It only escalates. Someone has just been shot and killed in the middle of all of this.

There is always a small fringe group completely apart from protest organizers or the majority of peaceful demonstrators who enters peaceful protest with the intent to cause mayhem, chaos, and disruption. They're their to vandalize, loot, and instigate violence. They don't care about bringing justice, they want to be seen as tough guys. This is a distraction from what really needs to change.

The violence won't solve anything. It will get more people hurt.
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There is always a small fringe group completely apart from protest organizers or the majority of peaceful demonstrators who enters peaceful protest with the intent to cause mayhem, chaos, and disruption. They're their to vandalize, loot, and instigate violence. They don't care about bringing justice, they want to be seen as tough guys. This is a distraction from what really needs to change.
Yeah, funny how that works.

In the 1960s, during the anit-Vietnam War protests, the FBI and police would send infiltrators in to radicalize these groups, and push them towards violence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

All it takes is for a few guys to join a peaceful protest, throw a couple of rocks at the cops, and it turns into a full scale riot. Which in turns led to mass arrests and bad publicity for the cause.

It just seems really convenient that you have the summer of an election year starting off with the police killing an unarmed, handcuffed black man in an upper Midwestern state with a democratic mayor and democratic governor, which, then turns into fighting in the streets, tear gas canisters flying, and footage of the new of people looting Target stores. It's almost like it's designed to help a certain "law and order" party in vulnerable swing states.
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This will get more results than anything those opposed are suggesting which is generally nothing, just non violence.
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I'll add that eyewitness reports are the police were firing tear gas and rubber bullets on peaceful demonstrators before there was any violence from civilians. And they did not make any requests to disburse or warnings. The vast majority of protestors were peaceful and then disrupted.
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Absolutely despicable behavior. Target and several stores in Minneapolis got looted today during protests.



These people aren’t protesting shit. Using the murder as an excuse to steal.

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Yeah, funny how that works.

In the 1960s, during the anit-Vietnam War protests, the FBI and police would send infiltrators in to radicalize these groups, and push them towards violence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

All it takes is for a few guys to join a peaceful protest, throw a couple of rocks at the cops, and it turns into a full scale riot. Which in turns led to mass arrests and bad publicity for the cause.
There is footage of this person who allegedly was first to throw rocks through the windows of Auto Zone, the first building to catch fire tonight. I want to give the benefit of the doubt and not jump to conclusions but wow, that is some shady behavior right there.
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Video not conclusive. Did he die with a knee on his neck, or because of a knee on his neck?
They would need to do an autopsy to get the exact cause of death, but from the video it looks the pressure from the officer's knee was prohibiting the guy from breathing.
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Absolutely despicable behavior
What do you expect when the police execute someone for being black in the middle of the street? I would ask what you think would happen if George Floyd was white but it is inconceivable.
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Violence solves nothing. It only escalates.
Yeah, like the Revolutionary War. Violence solved nothing in that situation.
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What do you expect when the police execute someone for being black in the middle of the street? I would ask what you think would happen if George Floyd was white but it is inconceivable.
The same white yokie-dokes I saw protesting for Floyd...would be doing the exact same thing if a whitie got killed, I would imagine.

Now we got tons of damage to places who had nothing to do with this. As if these business owners and people weren't struggling already.

But nothing changes,
Just the faces,
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Yeah, like the Revolutionary War. Violence solved nothing in that situation.
Completely different kind of "violence". This is the "I get brannew TV 4K bay-bay!" kind of violence.

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