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Old 07-28-19, 05:02 PM
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LGBTQ: Jessica Yaniv and the waxing wars - It's not a hate crime for women to refuse to wax your junk.

I support LGBTQ rights, but this troll needs to be bitch slapped and all his/her complaints thrown out. It's making Canada look bad and undermines all the real issues/hate crimes trans people are facing every day.


16 complaints filed by Jessica Yanov, a Canadian trans woman make a mockery of the hate crimes committed against trans people every day.

Should a woman be forced to wax male genitalia?

The answer to that is clearly “no”, right? If a female beautician has only been trained to wax female genitalia and only wants to offer these services to women then that should be her prerogative. But, hang on a minute, what if the person who wants their intimate areas to be waxed is a woman with male genitalia? What happens then? A court in Canada has been trying to figure that out. British Columbia’s Human Rights Tribunal has been holding hearings on the issue after Jessica Yaniv, a transgender woman, filed 16 complaints against female estheticians, arguing that she was denied service because of her gender identity.

“This is not about waxing,” Yaniv wrote on Twitter last week.

Jessica [email protected]This is not about waxing. This is about businesses and individuals using their religion and culture to refuse service to protected groups because -they- don’t agree with it or the person and use that to illegally discriminate contrary to the BC Human Rights Code and the CHRC

While the Yaniv case has been going on for a while now, you may not have heard much about it, as it has largely been covered by the rightwing press. The sort of outlets that normally joke about consent and women’s rights are now outraged that women are being forced to handle male genitalia against their will. The sort of writers that are normally whipping up hate against immigrants are now outraged and concerned that at least one of the beautificians that Yaniv has filed complaints against is a poor migrant. In short there has been a hell of a lot of bad faith and transphobia involved in the reporting around the case. A number of the world’s worst people have used the story as an example of “political correctness gone mad” and as a way to stoke hatred against trans people.

But does that mean that Yaniv is a brave crusader for human rights who should be supported? Absolutely not. Yaniv seems to be a troll, not an activist. She has also made a number of racist comments about immigrants, saying they aren’t the “cleanest of people” and allegedly said very disturbing things about underage girls in the past. Yaniv also seems to have tried to book the waxing services with fake Facebook profiles – the Spectator reports that in at least one case, she used the profile of a pregnant woman.

The long and short of this story is that Yaniv does not seem to be acting in good faith and a lot of women who were running small businesses out of their homes are now being dragged into court and branded as bigots as a result. If those women had refused to wax Yaniv’s legs because they had a problem with her being trans then she would have been absolutely right to take action. However, surely things are more nuanced when it comes to handling genitalia? Surely a woman shouldn’t be forced to wax testicles if that makes them feel uncomfortable? Yaniv argues that if you are a woman who is uncomfortable working with a penis then you are automatically a “transphobic bigot... committing a hate crime.” Not only is that untrue it makes a mockery of the hate crimes that are committed against trans people every day.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...triarchy-women
Jonathan/Jessica Yaniv is a creep and racist troll looking for his 15 min of fame. Most of these 16 women are immigrants working from home who are struggling to make ends meet. One Brazilian woman had her own shop, but had to close it down because defending yourself from idiots costs time and money.

Oh, and he/she was just accused of trying to share child porn, and sexual harassment of minors...

Dear BC Human Rights Tribunal, please throw his/her unwaxed junk out of court and in jail.

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Old 07-28-19, 06:09 PM
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Re: LGBTQ: Jessica Yaniv and the waxing wars - It's not a hate crime for women to refuse to wax your junk

This thread might be better served in the political forum.

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Drawing attention to this person - who does seem to be doing all of this in bad faith based on how they go about these things - is just doing exactly what they want. No idea why you'd want to create a thread about it, just signal-boosting them even more.
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Old 07-28-19, 07:42 PM
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When something this idiotic becomes news worldwide, the signal is already boosted. Now the hope is that if enough people write/talk about it, those in charge looking stupid will finally wake up and do something.

But maybe this should me merged into the LGBTQ thread in Politics.
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While the Yaniv case has been going on for a while now, you may not have heard much about it, as it has largely been covered by the rightwing press. The sort of outlets that normally joke about consent and women’s rights are now outraged that women are being forced to handle male genitalia against their will.
The Right Wingers joke about women's rights? I kinda doubt that. If anything, they are exceptionally extremist about it to the point where they tell women what to do--which is wrong, imo.

Who the fuck is this writer and where do they get off on stereotyping when they themselves do it all the time (it's the Guardian Newspaper, btw).

It's not a hate crime for a woman to feel uncomfortable waxing male genitalia
Who are we to know or arbitrarily say what a woman feels when they wax some hairy male testicles when they got the position to only do females in the first place? Seems a tad hypocritical to let a woman have an abortion in one breath but then saying the woman "shouldn't feel uncomfortable" when a "female" takes their clothes off she sees a bunch of hairy balls staring at her.

Again, the accusation one political party does something bad but it's ok if we do it, because uhhhh, we're that testicle on the confused male that hang more left.

If a person wants to get their genitals waxed and they are not a traditional human--nor do they want to be identified as one, then they should go to a "special" waxing facility that deals with those types of people. The fact the rest of society has to deal with their bullshit mental issues, is childish, and it is not up to everyone else to conform nor confirm their identity. It is up to the individual to make a GOOD FAITH effort to find a place that will deal with their needs who are aptly capable of handling those needs.

Women all over the world take positions in business that are female-only, and many times it's because they've been traumatized by males, such as being sexually assaulted, raped, emotionally abused, and it's rather insulting we now say women need to be ok with handling male testicles just because these people are now in some sort of special category.

I'm not going to defend the "religion" part on behalf of this individual as I think it goes way beyond that, and shouldn't even be included in the argument, to be honest. It's about telling women how they should feel or act when they are in a position where they were handling females and now are expected to amazingly just suck it up when a TG walks in the door.

My advice to the business: get a TG or somebody that has no problems with this but DO NOT force other female employees to do it. If they can't find anyone who can, tell the TG who wants the procedure, give them a business referral, but there should be no obligation on the part of the business if they can't find one to do it themselves in their own workplace.

I don't walk into a Chinese Restaurant and demand Mexican Food. I'm smart enough to go to a place that deals with each.

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The Right Wingers joke about women's rights? I kinda doubt that. If anything, they are exceptionally extremist about it to the point where they tell women what to do--which is wrong, imo.

Who the fuck is this writer and where do they get off on stereotyping when they themselves do it all the time (it's the Guardian Newspaper, btw).






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Establishments of the sort should hire males or gay males that enjoy shaving cocks, testicles and male buttholes.

Clearly there is some sort of loop-hole in the law that allows these con artists to get away with it.
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This thread might be better served in the political forum.

Agreed.

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2017 - "Just bake the damn cake!"

2019 - "Just wax the damn balls!"
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So she's a pre-op transwoman? Get bottom surgery and then we'll talk.

An acquaintance of mine here in Kansas City, the late Davina Anne Gabriel, was a transwoman who fought for years to integrate the Michigan Women's Music Festival and other quote "women born women only" events. Even she drew a distinction between pre-op and post-op transpeople. She is also the person who coined the word "transphobic."

I always rejected separatism although I sympathize somewhat with women who feel threatened by the presence of male genitalia in an all-female setting. Davina left a letter behind after her death (by suicide) in 2016 repudiating all of her trans activism and saying that in retrospect she wished she had never had reassignment surgery (hers was in the late 1970s). I think she would have told Jessica to get the fuck over herself. And so would I.
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If this person does win their lawsuit I don't think I would want anyone I sued waxing my balls.
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I also support trans rights- bathroom, jobs, marriage, whatever. But the issue here is somebody else’s rights. Make it clear what you’re packing underneath the hood, or do it yourself. Forcing it on someone that doesn’t feel comfortable with that pushing the line of sexual assault. (Not the same as baking a cake for gays because it “hurts your feelings”).
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If those women had refused to wax Yaniv’s legs because they had a problem with her being trans then she would have been absolutely right to take action. However, surely things are more nuanced when it comes to handling genitalia?
That sounds pretty uptight.

Bottom line is that if this woman shopped around I’m sure she would eventually find a female esthetician who does penises. They are out there.
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If those women had refused to wax Yaniv’s legs because they had a problem with her being trans then she would have been absolutely right to take action. However, surely things are more nuanced when it comes to handling genitalia?
It's interesting, because the trans community always tries to minimize genitals, complaining that cis people always reduce them to what genitals they have, it doesn't matter what is between their legs, etc ... but clearly there are moments when, yes, it DOES matter. Common sense seems to get thrown out the window sometimes. I just got in a twitter spat this weekend with a trans activist, who claimed it was transphobic to list on your hookup app profile that you were looking for cis men only. I mean, if I'm going to have sex with a random stranger, I would think what their genitals are is an important deciding factor?
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It's interesting, because the trans community always tries to minimize genitals, complaining that cis people always reduce them to what genitals they have, it doesn't matter what is between their legs, etc ... but clearly there are moments when, yes, it DOES matter. Common sense seems to get thrown out the window sometimes. I just got in a twitter spat this weekend with a trans activist, who claimed it was transphobic to list on your hookup app profile that you were looking for cis men only. I mean, if I'm going to have sex with a random stranger, I would think what their genitals are is an important deciding factor?
see, there you go, reducing people to their genitals ...

FWIW, I have never been with a post op transperson. But in an intimate context, I would find it confusing to think of you as male if you have a vulva. Sorry.
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I'm nof familiar with this PostMillenial but this is being reported elsewhere:

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/je...-new-evidence/

So aside from the creepy attraction to teenage girls, also a racist.
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Why do you care about this so much?
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Why do you care about this so much?
To be fair, there's generally very little controversy that comes out of Canada, aside from the interminable "who's better, Chilliwack or Celine Dion?" arguments...
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Yeah, I think he thinks this story is big news in the states. It’s not.
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To be fair, there's generally very little controversy that comes out of Canada, aside from the interminable "who's better, Chilliwack or Celine Dion?" arguments...
Can you still call it poutine if it uses mozarella instead of cheese curds? Discuss.
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Can you still call it poutine if it uses mozarella instead of cheese curds? Discuss.
Absolutely not! Those are disco fries, and that's owned by NJ diners.
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Can you still call it poutine if it uses mozarella instead of cheese curds? Discuss.
The ignorance displayed even by asking this question is baffling. Welcome to my block list, sir.
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See? Canadian controversy!
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Yeah, I think he thinks this story is big news in the states. It’s not.
You're trying very hard to be the stereotypical American now aren't you.

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