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The One and Only 2020 Downballot Races Thread

Old 11-11-19, 03:28 PM
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I disagree.

I know people will eyeroll at the hyperbole, but this really is a war we are in. We are fighting for the future of this fragile republic. Trump was never the be all end all. He was a major Op against this democracy- but if he hadn't been installed in office, he would actually be far more powerful - over a longer period of time- then he will be now.

Everything looks dire from this vantage point, but I can imagine it being exponentially worse if we had a weakened Democrat and Congress controlled by Republicans, and bolstered non-stop by the right-wing media sphere. Of which Trump and his cult would now be a big, and unimpeachable, part of.

This is going to be messy, not easy, and not quick- but it needed to be done. Everything else would have just been applying band-aids to a limb suffering from gangrene.
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Old 11-11-19, 03:44 PM
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Someone made an analogy that electing trump, for our nation, was akin to being cheated on in a relationship. You may be able to get back with your significant other afterwards, but the dynamic and broken trust will be forever changed.
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Old 11-11-19, 08:21 PM
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Congressman Peter King of NY is retiring in 2020. A very winnable district now for the Dem's,it's Republican leaning but Trump is beyond underwater here and will be a drag in a district like this in a way a Generic Republican President wouldn't be.
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Old 11-14-19, 02:36 PM
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Matt Bevin conceded.
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Old 11-14-19, 02:58 PM
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Matt Bevin conceded.
And he didnít even complain about imaginary voter fraud.
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Old 11-14-19, 03:51 PM
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And he didnít even complain about imaginary voter fraud.
That only happens (millions of times) in Presidential elections.
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Old 11-14-19, 03:55 PM
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Didn't he just say that he'd rather win an honest election than a fraudulent one when it came to him contesting this and the recount? So there were no fraudulent votes. Good, get that shit outta here and don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
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Old 11-16-19, 11:45 PM
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Louisiana's Democratic Gov. John Bel Edwards defeats Trump-backed businessman in close race. Trump won the state by 20 points and held two rallies in the last ten days but it was not enough.
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Old 11-17-19, 01:16 AM
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Louisiana's Democratic Gov. John Bel Edwards defeats Trump-backed businessman in close race. Trump won the state by 20 points and held two rallies in the last ten days but it was not enough.
Edwards opposes gun control, signed a strict abortion ban and doesnít agree with Trumpís impeachment. Sounds like a Republican won anyway.
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Old 11-17-19, 02:17 AM
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Edwards opposes gun control, signed a strict abortion ban and doesnít agree with Trumpís impeachment. Sounds like a Republican won anyway.
Heís right-leaning for sure, but the other guy sounds like a real Trump toadie.
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Old 11-17-19, 03:18 AM
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It's Louisiana, not Washington state. He would have lost if he said some of the things Beto O'Rourke said (and I like Beto!)
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Old 11-17-19, 06:07 AM
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Pretty much:

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Old 11-17-19, 10:44 AM
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Don't you know, rural Americans are the salt of the earth and are real Americans compared to urban/metropolitan dwellers.
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Old 11-17-19, 11:52 AM
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Edwards opposes gun control, signed a strict abortion ban and doesnít agree with Trumpís impeachment. Sounds like a Republican won anyway.
I'll take it. It's one step in changing the "optics" that if Trump opposes you, you lose, or if Trump supports you and holds rallies for you, you win. That will drive more Republicans to think that they don't need Trump to win.
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Old 11-17-19, 12:23 PM
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I'll take it. It's one step in changing the "optics" that if Trump opposes you, you lose, or if Trump supports you and holds rallies for you, you win. That will drive more Republicans to think that they don't need Trump to win.
Exactly, Trumpís last two candidates lost, this last one in a deeply red state that Trump won by 20 points. Trump appears to not have coat tails strong enough to carry you to a win. In fact it appears in some cases tying yourself to Trump is a bad thing.
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Old 11-17-19, 12:57 PM
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I guess the question is does the growing divide between the Republican Party and metropolitan areas make a difference in the electoral college and/or the Senate majority? In a lot of places, it doesn't matter if the blue cities get even more blue, because either the state is already blue, or the rural 'red' voters greatly outnumber the urban voters.

I heard a radio interview the other day with a pollster who said the red/blue divide in 2020 looks like it could cause Trump to win by bigger margins in crucial swing states (where he very narrowly won in 2016) while also losing the popular vote by an even bigger margin than before.

So, yeah, because of the undemocratic electoral college and the undemocratic Senate, the Democrats being out of touch with rural voters is a much more significant issue.
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Old 11-17-19, 01:59 PM
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I'll take it. It's one step in changing the "optics" that if Trump opposes you, you lose, or if Trump supports you and holds rallies for you, you win. That will drive more Republicans to think that they don't need Trump to win.
It only really matters if it affects SENATORS. They are the only ones who can get rid of Trump. Trump would like to have his picks win governorships (because he doesnít accept losing) but it ultimately doesnít matter to his longevity as President.

Until a Republican Senator publicly opposes Trump AND wins re-election, we donít know what the affect actually is. And individual states are very different from the whole country.
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Old 11-17-19, 02:39 PM
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It only really matters if it affects SENATORS. They are the only ones who can get rid of Trump. Trump would like to have his picks win governorships (because he doesnít accept losing) but it ultimately doesnít matter to his longevity as President.

Until a Republican Senator publicly opposes Trump AND wins re-election, we donít know what the affect actually is. And individual states are very different from the whole country.
Small steps at a time. We need to change the thinking that Trump is invincible, that he gets anything he wants, or that for the GOP it's Trump or lose. That thinking applies to all levels, not any particular election. And Mitch Romney was a Senate candidate who spoke out against Trump before his election -- sure he didn't go as far as some might have wanted, but he didn't hide his disdain for Trump either.
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Old 12-10-19, 09:42 PM
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There you go:

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Old 12-10-19, 10:58 PM
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Not wasting time making a positive impact. But like whomever comes after Trump, Bevin set the bar is set so low, it would be hard to not to improve the state in the first few hours of his term.
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