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Old 11-06-19, 12:20 PM
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Hey look, another example of Republicans being absolutely morally bankrupt.
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Let the Senate choose our leader. People in Hong Kong have been protesting since June fighting against that kind of thing, among other issues. Never would I think that a similar issue would come up in this country.
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Let the Senate choose our leader. People in Hong Kong have been protesting since June fighting against that kind of thing, among other issues. Never would I think that a similar issue would come up in this country.
I fully expect, as is the pattern, that between now and December 10 (when Beshear would take office), the General Assembly will pass, and Bevin sign, legislation stripping as much power from the governor as is constitutionally possible.
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^ They did that in North Carolina, right? Did it "work?"
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^ They did that in North Carolina, right? Did it "work?"
Nope, the courts struck it down.
Old 11-06-19, 02:58 PM
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And in Wisconsin. Apparently it's always worth a shot, and if you're lucky enough to have terrible judges in your state, it might hold up in court!
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It’s as David Frum said: “If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”
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Bevin has asked for a “recanvass,” which I guess is a review of voting-machine receipts and not a recount. He cited “voting irregularities,” without examples or evidence, so I guess Trump’s visit did rub off on him.
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Bevin has asked for a “recanvass,” which I guess is a review of voting-machine receipts and not a recount. He cited “voting irregularities,” without examples or evidence, so I guess Trump’s visit did rub off on him.
I think the trick Republicans are hoping to play on voters is to plant the seed of distrust in the process whenever they lose. In the end it doesn’t matter if it was a fair election or not. As long as you’ve convinced your base that the Democrats won by unfair means, you’ve kept them on your side.
Old 11-06-19, 06:56 PM
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Could be. Or it's simply that the state is one of the most heavily gerrymandered in the country in Republican's favor, so it's a shock to the system that they lost. So you gotta look for answers. Also known as grasping at straws.
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Yeah, and yesterday's election kinda put a fork in the theory that impeachment can only help the GOP.
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Yeah, and yesterday's election kinda put a fork in the theory that impeachment can only help the GOP.
For Senators? The ones who can actually remove Trump from office?
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I’m thrilled that Beshear won, and it has some important (and good for Democrats) lessons about Trump’s ability to nationalize state races. But I think it’s hard to overstate how unpopular Bevin is, and that decidedly helped Beshear.
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Bevin pissed off everyone here. Insulted every teacher in the state multiple times. And here's one of his finer moments during the teacher strikes,
saying teachers on strike are to blame for any physical/sexual assault on children are out of school:

Originally Posted by Bevin
"I guarantee you somewhere in Kentucky today, a child was sexually assaulted that was left at home because there was nobody there to watch them," Bevin said. "I guarantee you somewhere today, a child was physically harmed or ingested poison because they were left alone because a single parent didn’t have any money to take care of them."

"Children were harmed – some physically, some sexually, some were introduced to drugs for the first time – because they were vulnerable and left alone," Bevin continued.

And on school closing because of cold weather:
Originally Posted by Bevin
"Now we cancel school for cold, I mean — " Bevin said. Come on, now," Bevin said. "There's no ice going with it or any snow. What happens to America. We're getting soft, Terry, we're getting soft."
The weather that day? -10 to -20 degrees with the windchill.


Yeah, KY picked a real winner.
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For Senators? The ones who can actually remove Trump from office?
Yes, the senate is in play. Won't be easy, but it's possible.
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Yes, the senate is in play. Won't be easy, but it's possible.
If they turn on Trump, it’s a guaranteed loss at home. The only way to get them out is to replace them with Democrats. You really think that’s going to happen enough to matter?
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If they turn on Trump, it’s a guaranteed loss at home. The only way to get them out is to replace them with Democrats. You really think that’s going to happen enough to matter?
It will likely happen in Colorado and Maine. It could happen in North Carolina, Arizona, and Iowa. On the flip side, Doug Jones is likely to lose in Alabama. But if the Democrats have a good night, they will take control of the Senate.
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If they turn on Trump, it’s a guaranteed loss at home. The only way to get them out is to replace them with Democrats. You really think that’s going to happen enough to matter?
I'm talking about Senate control going from GOP to Democrat in 2020, and how it's tough, but entirely possible. Though it's far more likely for trump to not get reelected than for the Senate to flip. But if we get both, that could really change things.
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I'm talking about Senate control going from GOP to Democrat in 2020, and how it's tough, but entirely possible. Though it's far more likely for trump to not get reelected than for the Senate to flip. But if we get both, that could really change things.
Even if Trump gets re;elected but the Senate flips, that would make a huge difference. We've seen how things changed when Democrats took over the House and were able to do a more proper job of oversight and investigation, but Trump still has fucking McConnell as his last line of defense. If that goes too he'll be totally exposed and also unable to push through many of his bullshit policies. He'll be reduced to sending out dumb tweets and going to his rallies but he won't be able to do much else.
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Next Saturday are the last big elections of the year. In Louisiana, can Democrat John Bel Edwards win reelection for governor? There's also secretary of state and some state houses.

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This is a really strong ad.

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It’s as David Frum said: “If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”



I think most people will read this as a dire warning.
I take it as a revelation of their mission statement from before 2004.

They didn't just, all of a sudden, start cheating en masse.
Trump was the bridge too far. Now the jig, if not entirely up, is at least being slowed down and a bank of spotlights trained on the dancers for everyone, who cares, to see,
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Trump was the bridge too far. Now the jig, if not entirely up, is at least being slowed down and a bank of spotlights trained on the dancers for everyone, who cares, to see,
*checks notes* Trump is still president, right?
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With every post I summon thee- D'SPAYRE!



I did say the jig was not fully up. But a lot more people now are tuned into to what has been going on all this time, then there were this point three years ago.
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With every post I summon thee- D'SPAYRE!






I'm just pointing out that these things haven't happened yet. And if it takes 5 years to "get Trump" then it wasn't worth it, IMHO.

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