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Rep. Ilhan Omar asks judge for compassion in ISIS recruit sentencing

Old 01-24-19, 11:19 PM
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Rep. Ilhan Omar asks judge for compassion in ISIS recruit sentencing

Thus if from a little more than two years ago, but I just found out about it.

I don't think judges should show "compassion" for people who plan to join terrorist organizations.

What do you think?


http://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-i...an-omar-letter

Rep. Ilhan Omar asks judge for compassion in ISIS recruit sentencing

November 10, 2016

MINNEAPOLIS (KMSP) - The 9 Minnesota men charged with planning to join ISIS are scheduled to be sentenced next week. Ahead of those court dates, 13 letters were sent to Judge Michael Davis in the case of defendant Abdirahman Yasin Daud, including a letter from state Rep. Ilhan Omar, who on Election Night became with first elected Somali-American lawmaker in the nation.

Rep. Omar asked Judge Davis for “compassion” and a “restorative approach to justice,” concluding that “this ruling can set a precedent and has the potential to be a landmark case in addressing extremism.”

Daud was one of two young men from the Twin Cities arrested in San Diego in April 2015 in an alleged plot to buy fake passports for travel to Syria. Federal prosecutors requested 30 years in prison for Daud, with a lifetime of supervised release.

The 13 letters sent to Judge Davis on behalf of Daud include similar pleas for leniency from Minneapolis City Council member Abdi Warsame, a Minneapolis Public Schools dean of students, several youth program coordinators and Daud’s own mother and brother. Warsame’s brief letter said Daud “is a young man who has a future ahead of him.”

The defense has pushed Judge Davis for lighter sentences, saying the young, immigrant men were caught between two worlds – the United States and pride in their Somali heritage. The defense argued the young men were lured by propaganda on the internet that suggested that a “true Muslim” should be in Syria saving other Muslims who are being killed and trying to restore the Caliphate.

But responses filed by federal prosecutors on Thursday show the feds are holding firm on their request for tough sentences. In this case of defendant Guled Omar, prosecutors said the young man attempted to “make light of what is an extraordinarily dangerous conspiracy. Far from comedians engaged in slapstick comedy in black and white film, ISIL’s members engage in wholesale murder, rape, and cultural annihilation. But unlike the Three Stooges referenced by counsel for Omar, ISIL films in full color.”

In the case of defendant Zachariah Abdurahman, prosecutors added the following:

“The defendants attempt to draw a parallel between ISIL propaganda and the recruiting efforts of the United States Army. The comparison is odious and insulting. More than that, the comparison is really only pointing out that ISIL and the US Army use the same communications mediums to deliver their respective messages. Both use video games and both use glossy magazines. This parallelism in delivery methods proves nothing. People send birthday cards through the mail; other people send anthrax through the mail. This does not make criminals of people who send birthday cards through the mail. And of course, defendants’ parallelism ignores the fact that the message being sent via glossy magazines and video games by ISIL depicts war crimes, up to and including murder on an industrial scale. The US Army’s message is, to put it mildly, different.”

The 9 defendants are facing a wide range of sentences. The 3 men who were convicted of trying to join ISIS could get between 30 or 40 years in prison. Four others who pled guilty are facing a recommended sentence of 15 years in prison. The U.S. Attorney’s Office is suggesting about 4 years in prison for the two men who cooperated with prosecutors.

Sentencing hearings have been set for Nov. 14, Nov. 15 and Nov. 16. The following is a list of recommendations, pertaining to each defendant:

Mohamed Abdihamid Farah: Prosecution requested 30 years in prison and lifetime of supervised release.

Abdirahman Yasin Daud: Prosecution requested 30 years in prison, lifetime of supervised release.

Guled Omar: Prosecutors requested 40 years in prison. Defense requested 15 years.

Hanad Mustafe Musse: Prosecution requested 15 years imprisonment, and lifetime of supervised release. Defense requested 72 months.

Adnan Abdihamid Farah: Prosecution requested 15 years imprisonment and lifetime of supervised release.

Hamza Naj Ahmed: Prosecution requested 15 years of imprisonment and lifetime of supervised release. Defense requested half-way house, also has motion to seal sentencing report.

Zacharia Yusuf Abdurahman: Prosecution requested 15 years prison and lifetime of supervised release.

Abdirizak Mohamed Warsame: A cooperating defendant, prosecutors recommended 54 months in prison.

Abdullahi Mohamed Yusuf: A cooperating defendant, prosecutors recommended 42 months in prison.

Ilhan Omar’s letter to Judge Davis, dated Nov. 8

Honorable Judge Davis,

As you undoubtedly deliberate with great caution the sentencing of nine recently convicted Somali-American men, I bring to your attention the ramifications of sentencing young men who made a consequential mistake to decades in federal prison. Incarcerating 20-year-old men for 30 or 40 years is essentially a life sentence. Society will have no expectations of the to be 50 or 60-year-old released prisoners; it will view them with distrust and revulsion. Such punitive measures not only lack efficacy, they inevitably create an environment in which extremism can flourish, aligning with the presupposition of terrorist recruitment: “Americans do not accept you and continue to trivialize your value. Instead of being a nobody, be a martyr.”

The best deterrent to fanaticism is a system of compassion. We must alter our attitude and approach; if we truly want to affect change, we should refocus our efforts on inclusion and rehabilitation. A long-term prison sentence for one who chose violence to combat direct marginalization is a statement that our justice system misunderstands the guilty. A restorative approach to justice assesses the lure of criminality and addresses it.

The desire to commit violence is not inherent to people -- it is the consequences of systematic alienation; people seek violent solutions when the process established for enacting change is inaccessible to them. Fueled by disaffection turned to malice, if the guilty were willing to kill and be killed fighting perceived injustice, imagine the consequence of them hearing, “I believe you can be rehabilitated. I want you to become part of my community, and together we will thrive.” We use this form of distributive justice for patients with chemical dependencies; treatment and societal reintegration. The most effective penance is making these men ambassadors of reform.

The restorative approach provides a long-term solution – though the self-declared Islamic State may soon suffer defeat, their radical approach to change-making will continue as it has throughout history – by criminalizing the undergirding construct rather than its predisposed victims. Therein, this ruling can set a precedent and has the potential to be a landmark case in addressing extremism.

Thank you for your careful attention,

Ilhan Omar

State Representative-Elect – MN 60B

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Old 01-29-19, 05:38 AM
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It was just a simple innocent mistake, Honorable Judgee Judge. - Omar

This person should be a defense attorney for terrorists.
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Old 02-17-19, 04:42 PM
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I'm surprised that only one person responded to this.

What do the other people here think of this this?
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Old 02-17-19, 04:48 PM
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Here's more proof that Ilhan Omar is on the side of terrorists.

When she was in the Minnesota state legislature, she voted in favor of terrorists who buy life insurance policies before committing terrorist attacks.

I think that's horrible.

What do others here think of this?

https://www.sfgate.com/news/media/Mu...sts-848509.php



Muslim Lawmaker Votes in Favor of Terrorists

Minnesota State Rep. Ilhan Omar, 34, is a Somali refugee and one of only two members of his state government body to vote against a bill that denies life insurance benefits to radical terrorist policyholders who kill Americans. The bill came in response to the terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California, which killed 14 people.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190210...?StoryID=12787

House OKs limits to life insurance policies by suspected terrorists

April 20, 2017

Insurance companies may be able to limit life insurance payments to beneficiaries of suspected terrorists.

Sponsored by Rep. Joe Hoppe (R-Chaska), HF1397 was passed, as amended, 127-2 by the House Thursday and heads to the Senate where Sen. Warren Limmer (R-Maple Grove) is the sponsor.

The bill comes in response to Syed Farook’s shooting rampage in San Bernardino, Calif., in December 2015 that killed 14 people and injured 22. Authorities suggest Farook made sure his life insurance policies worth $275,000 were valid before the incident.

After Farook died in a shootout with police, his mother fought to remain the beneficiary of those life insurance policies.

Hoppe said terrorists “should not benefit” from taking out a life insurance policy. “You should not be able to provide for your heirs or whoever you want by increasing your life insurance policy.”

Rep. John Lesch (DFL-St. Paul) raised concerns about an amendment added to the bill, which doesn’t require a terrorist conviction in court to limit payment to beneficiaries, saying insurance companies could use the provision for other claim denials. Lesch and Rep. Ilhan Omar (DFL-Mpls) were the lone “nay” votes.

By definition, terrorism is a violent felony that involves premeditation and intends to terrorize others or disrupt government, business or lawful assembly.

Rep. Laurie Halverson (DFL-Eagan) said it was “unfortunate” these bills have to be passed, but added that this safeguard will help keep insurance rates down.

“If people are using nefarious purposes to take out life in policies and unjustly enrich their beneficiaries… that’s going to have a very big impact on ratepayers,” Halverson said.
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Rep. John Lesch (DFL-St. Paul) raised concerns about an amendment added to the bill, which doesn’t require a terrorist conviction in court to limit payment to beneficiaries, saying insurance companies could use the provision for other claim denials. Lesch and Rep. Ilhan Omar (DFL-Mpls) were the lone “nay” votes.


The answer to why they voted the way they did is in the article you posted.
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C’mon, you don’t expect Grundle to read the articles he posts. Even he knows they’re garbage.
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C’mon, you don’t expect Grundle to read the articles he posts. Even he knows they’re garbage.
Thanks to everyone who pointed out that I didn't bother reading the article. That was wrong. I apologize and this will certainly happen again and again and again and again.
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I'm surprised that only one person responded to this.

What do the other people here think of this this?
That what one of 538 members of the lower house in Congress does or does not ask a judge to do in the sentencing of one particular case isn't really that big a deal when you have the President declaring a fake National Emergency to circumvent the Constitutionally mandated way that budgets get approved?
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The question is what does grundle think of Republicans?

So-called libertarian.

Has no opinion on the power grab by Trump but is obsessed with this woman - 1 of 435 (well, 2 if you count his love of AOC).
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That what one of 538 members of the lower house in Congress does or does not ask a judge to do in the sentencing of one particular case isn't really that big a deal when you have the President declaring a fake National Emergency to circumvent the Constitutionally mandated way that budgets get approved?
There's no such thing as a fake national emergency. And considering the sex trafficking and coyote movements across the borders, it's far from being a false issue.

In addition, Farook's mother is a disgusting living organism.
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There's no such thing as a fake national emergency. And considering the sex trafficking and coyote movements across the borders, it's far from being a false issue.
If the president wants to build a road and the House says "no, we won't give you the funds for the road", the president just can't say "the road is now an emergency which gives me the power to fund it". That would be a fake emergency. The same goes for "finishing" the wall (that's already being built as we speak).

You could argue that it is not up to the judicial branch to 'solve' this discussion, i.e. that Congress has a remedy if it finds this to be a fake emergency (which it materially is), but if Congress does not have the votes, that would make it (at least formally) an emergency. I'm not an expert on US constitutional law, but this would certainly be a defensible position (regardless of the genius or stupidity of the idea).

On a side note, I must say that I find it illogical that an act of Congress of this kind is subject to veto power. Although I don't doubt that it is so, it should not be. I wonder if this general veto possibilty was (fully) considered when the law in question was implemented.
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This thread had no responses for weeks, the OP is posting gigantic articles with minimal, conjecture-ridden commentary that invites argumentative interactions, and nearly every response in this little 11-post thread is about the OP or southern border security. Not a great recipe for a thread, so I'm closing this one, thanks.
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