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Perhaps this is the real reason why Trump shut down the government



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Now as long as he keeps the government shut down, then he’s good.
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Why?

Unless you are stating that those opposed to trump's wall are using political calculations to gauge their level of opposition.
It has little to do with Trump's opponents, but more to do with Trump himself. If a person does something for any reason, valid or not, generally you get him to reverse that decision only if you convince him he is wrong, or give him what he wants. I don't see Trump accepting that he's wrong on the Wall.
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More trump shittyness that none of his supporters can defend...


Also, looks like he went and signed a federal worker pay freeze last night.

Fucker gives outrageous tax cuts to corporations and the filthy rich, but can't handle increasing employee salaries.
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And the idiot-in-chief is blaming Democrats for “any” children that died at the border via twitter.

Every day I think he can’t get any lower.

There is a special place in hell....

He better get his shots (lies) in now. Sounds like House Dems ready to bring the heat.
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

The way things are in the US these days, a government shutdown couldn't really hurt that much.


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And the idiot-in-chief is blaming Democrats for “any” children that died at the border via twitter.

Every day I think he can’t get any lower.

There is a special place in hell....
Ugh. Fuck off and die Trump, seriously, you absolute piece of human garbage.
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Originally Posted by dsa_shea View Post
I do believe that the primary reason Trump wants this wall is that it will physically represent something he has done, not because it will be beneficial for our country. He might not tell you that, but that is what I believe he is thinking.
Because IF it was built under him, it would always be called the "Trump Wall" - much like his Trump Towers, Casinos, etc. His brand name attached to something physical. That's what he wants, his name out there attached to something to memorialize him.
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Did Trump freeze federal workers' pay last year, too?
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The way things are in the US these days, a government shutdown couldn't really hurt that much.
Corruption, bad legislation and stupidity of politicians isn't stopped by a government shutdown.
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Sounds like House Dems ready to bring the heat.

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Sorry you didn’t get the Caddyshack reference. Shame.
OK, I get it now. I am relieved as I had no friggin' idea what you were getting at when I first read that.
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More trump shittyness that none of his supporters can defend...

https://twitter.com/C_Sommerfeldt/st...73906533240832
Ironic story about the golf club and undocumented immigrants. Doesn't have too much to do really with Donald or Mueller, but I got an "aha!" moment from it.

Many here keep asking why Donald is surrounded by so many criminals. I used to think it was because he sought out such people.

I now understand that they are actually drawn to him like flies to shit.
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Ironic story about the golf club and undocumented immigrants. Doesn't have too much to do really with Donald or Mueller, but I got an "aha!" moment from it.

Many here keep asking why Donald is surrounded by so many criminals. I used to think it was because he sought out such people.

I now understand that they are actually drawn to him like flies to shit.
Oh, I’m not sure im willing to let Trump off the hook simply for “Trump bing Trump”.i think he looks for people who will be loyal to him ”no matter what”. And was working for him, till the spot light burned really bright from being POTUS
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It matters in the sense that we have to address his concern or at least placate him in order to reopen the government.
No, we don't. Republicans are enablers of Trump's bullshit. They don't have to be. They choose to be.

The Senate already passed a bill. The House can and probably will pass the same bill. I don't know whether the Senate has to vote again. If so, what's the excuse for refusing to hold another vote? Why should dozens of Republicans vote against the bill they just voted for? There is no excuse, except for the ridiculous idea that the president should always get what he wants. Congress can override Trump's veto.
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

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Ironic story about the golf club and undocumented immigrants. Doesn't have too much to do really with Donald or Mueller, but I got an "aha!" moment from it.

Many here keep asking why Donald is surrounded by so many criminals. I used to think it was because he sought out such people.

I now understand that they are actually drawn to him like flies to shit.
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When I call dotard a mobster, I'm not being cute.
Or provocative.
Or jumping on MSM's sudden embrace of what they've always known & obfuscated.
NO. I'm bringing U the truth.

Donald Trump was born into a front organization of the Genovese crime family. He was theirs from birth.
You don't labor in construction in a place like NYC without dealing with the mob day in and day out. Not if you want concrete and other essentials (inc. permits). Trump inherited the business
...and the connections.

Just as Trump is the culmination of 20/21st century peak Republicanism, he was also the carnival showbiz evolution from his grandfather, the Canadian brothel owner.
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I realize everything coming out now “seems” like a big deal. But this seems like a big deal.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/29/polit...ign/index.html

Paul Manafort was pressured by a former Russian associate to pay back millions he owed during the time he was running Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, according to a new report from Time magazine.

Former Russian intelligence officer Victor Boyarkin was in touch with Manafort during the 2016 US presidential campaign on behalf of Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska, who has close ties to the Kremlin, the magazine reported Saturday.

Boyarkin told Time magazine that he contacted Manafort to collect the debt he owed to Deripaska.

"He owed us a lot of money," Boyarkin told Time this past fall. "And he was offering ways to pay it back."
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

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No, we don't. Republicans are enablers of Trump's bullshit. They don't have to be. They choose to be.

The Senate already passed a bill. The House can and probably will pass the same bill. I don't know whether the Senate has to vote again. If so, what's the excuse for refusing to hold another vote? Why should dozens of Republicans vote against the bill they just voted for? There is no excuse, except for the ridiculous idea that the president should always get what he wants. Congress can override Trump's veto.
I'd prefer to give Trump nothing but we have to be realistic. This government shutdown does harm to many, and Trump is an egotistical maniac who will not accept a loss of face. I'd be willing to give him a few things but for example:

- No new wall. They can repair or upgrade existing wall, but not build a wall or barrier where none existed before.

- Get some concessions in return, such as accommodations for DACA folks or asylum seekers.

- Make it painful enough to Trump that he will think harder about doing this again.
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

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I'd prefer to give Trump nothing but we have to be realistic. This government shutdown does harm to many, and Trump is an egotistical maniac who will not accept a loss of face. I'd be willing to give him a few things but for example:

- No new wall. They can repair or upgrade existing wall, but not build a wall or barrier where none existed before.

- Get some concessions in return, such as accommodations for DACA folks or asylum seekers.

- Make it painful enough to Trump that he will think harder about doing this again.
The problem is that if congress capitulates to him over his fucking wall, then he is going to pull this shit every time he doesn’t get his way. Every. Single. Time.

The democrats need to hold firm and force the hand of congressional republicans, and make them override the fuckwit’s veto.

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Old 12-30-18, 02:21 AM
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At this point the Democrats should "go to the mattresses" over the wall.

As some one already posted the new House should pass the CR that the Senate already passed. If the the Senate refuses to vote on it again the Democrats should stress that the Republicans obviously don't care about safety and are only playing politics.

If they do pass the the CR and Trump vetoes it lets see if enough Republicans actually have a pair and over ride the veto.
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

Originally Posted by Psi View Post
I'd prefer to give Trump nothing but we have to be realistic. This government shutdown does harm to many, and Trump is an egotistical maniac who will not accept a loss of face. I'd be willing to give him a few things but for example:

- No new wall. They can repair or upgrade existing wall, but not build a wall or barrier where none existed before.

- Get some concessions in return, such as accommodations for DACA folks or asylum seekers.

- Make it painful enough to Trump that he will think harder about doing this again.
I've bolded one of the problems. Yes, the shutdown IS harming many. Everyone should be concerned about that. But Trump, (and perhaps some Republicans in Congress) don't care. That will put Trump in a superior position. Every day that goes by, doesn't weigh on him. But it does for those who are concerned. The longer the shutdown, the greater the harm and the greater the pressure on those who DO care, to cave.

The last thing one does in dealing with a bully and narcissist is to give in. Can't give in one inch. As Josh-da-man pointed out, any concession will be viewed as a weakness that can be exploited at any time for any reason.

There was a deal earlier this year for $25B in wall money in exchange for a final DACA resolution. Trump turned it down.

The "great negotiator" then recently demanded $5B for the wall and said he'd shutdown the government and own the shutdown if he didn't get it. He didn't get it and he shut it down.

I believe that he actually doesn't want the money for the wall. I don't think he really wants the wall built.... at least not during his first term. This showdown was to stir up his base to prove that he's a fighter. There is more leverage in him standing up against the Democrats who are opposed to a wall than it actually getting the funding and building the wall. This can explain why he repeatedly reneged on deals for wall funding.

He needs to give his base reasons to vote for him again. He already has the tax-cuts for the rich, and 2 conservative SC justices. Trump has to show that there is still more work to be done and THAT is why he needs to be re-elected.

A side effect to this shutdown showdown is that Trump is painting the Democrats as being against border security and pushing the narrative that they are for open borders in spite of a lack of evidence to support that claim.



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The problem is that if congress capitulates to him over his fucking wall, then he is going to pull this shit every time he doesn’t get his way. Every. Single. Time.

The democrats need to hold firm and force the hand of congressional republicans, and make them override the fuckwit’s veto.
I agree. They need to do it wisely though. Nancy and Chuck have been trolling Trump a bit over this, and some of that is necessary as a way to telegraph that they're not going to roll over like their Republican counterparts. But they need to stay on-message and with laser-like precision keep the narrative clear.
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I've bolded one of the problems. Yes, the shutdown IS harming many. Everyone should be concerned about that. But Trump, (and perhaps some Republicans in Congress) don't care. That will put Trump in a superior position. Every day that goes by, doesn't weigh on him. But it does for those who are concerned. The longer the shutdown, the greater the harm and the greater the pressure on those who DO care, to cave.

The last thing one does in dealing with a bully and narcissist is to give in. Can't give in one inch. As Josh-da-man pointed out, any concession will be viewed as a weakness that can be exploited at any time for any reason.

There was a deal earlier this year for $25B in wall money in exchange for a final DACA resolution. Trump turned it down.

The "great negotiator" then recently demanded $5B for the wall and said he'd shutdown the government and own the shutdown if he didn't get it. He didn't get it and he shut it down.

I believe that he actually doesn't want the money for the wall. I don't think he really wants the wall built.... at least not during his first term. This showdown was to stir up his base to prove that he's a fighter. There is more leverage in him standing up against the Democrats who are opposed to a wall than it actually getting the funding and building the wall. This can explain why he repeatedly reneged on deals for wall funding.

He needs to give his base reasons to vote for him again. He already has the tax-cuts for the rich, and 2 conservative SC justices. Trump has to show that there is still more work to be done and THAT is why he needs to be re-elected.

A side effect to this shutdown showdown is that Trump is painting the Democrats as being against border security and pushing the narrative that they are for open borders in spite of a lack of evidence to support that claim.




I agree. They need to do it wisely though. Nancy and Chuck have been trolling Trump a bit over this, and some of that is necessary as a way to telegraph that they're not going to roll over like their Republican counterparts. But they need to stay on-message and with laser-like precision keep the narrative clear.
I think you give Trump too much credit for having some sort of a plan. I think it’s more like “buzz word bingo” with him. He just says shit to see what sticks. He learned “lock Her up” was great during the campaign. But when he backed off after the election, his base got pissed. So he brought it back. More currently, WTF,

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...-raise-n952336

Why say such an easily provable lie(s)? He didn’t fight for a raise for them, he didn’t get them 10% (and they aren’t getting 10%), and despite him saying it’s their first raise in a decade, they got one last year, and have gotten raises regularly.

He says it in hope it shows his base he supports the Troops. That’s it. It makes no sense it’s
Some grand scheme. He knows his base won’t fact checking him. And even if they do they will just go all “Trump Whisperer” interprete what he said as being pro-military.
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The last thing one does in dealing with a bully and narcissist is to give in. Can't give in one inch. As Josh-da-man pointed out, any concession will be viewed as a weakness that can be exploited at any time for any reason.
I agree with your analysis, especially the part that Trump doesn't care about the impact that the shutdown has on the country. Given that, what do you recommend to the Democrats? I get the reason why they shouldn't give in, but if they hold firm out of principle and Trump does also out of stubbornness or lack of compassion, then how does this get resolved?

I do think that with Trump, there will come a "day of reckoning and showdown," but I would like that to be a larger issue worth fighting for, not a stupid wall.
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

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I agree with your analysis, especially the part that Trump doesn't care about the impact that the shutdown has on the country. Given that, what do you recommend to the Democrats? I get the reason why they shouldn't give in, but if they hold firm out of principle and Trump does also out of stubbornness or lack of compassion, then how does this get resolved?.
You have only provided two options and neglected the biggest. There is more to this equation than Trump and Democrats. Republicans need to grow a spine and either override Trump to get a deal done or begin impeachment proceedings for the child in the oval office....or at least broach the subject so Trump will cave.
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Just an FYI, virtually the entire Internal Revenue Service is furloughed right now. It may not seem like it, but this is a ticking time bomb, especially this time of year. The Ted Cruz shutdown of 2013 was in October, so the impact was minimal. Not this time. This is going to start to really ramp up pressure on both sides.

The fact that Agriculture is also shut down is going to put a lot of pressure on the GOP specifically before long. State is also going to have to start furloughing a large chunk of its staff soon as well.
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Republicans need to grow a spine...
I'm looking at things realistically. This spine growing hasn't happened in two years, and I don't know why it would happen now.
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