The Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
DVD Talk Hero
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Home of 2013 NFL champion Seahawks
Posts: 47,779
Received 472 Likes
on
392 Posts
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
Unity according to Trump. I just hope that someone punches the shit out him one day
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...223158273?s=20
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...631836673?s=20
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...307046400?s=20
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...223158273?s=20
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...631836673?s=20
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...307046400?s=20

DVD Talk Hero
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
Here's a fun story:
Hannah was a server at a Washington, DC cafe. A customer (Jacqueline) came into the cafe, and Hannah took her order. At some point during the transaction, Hannah noticed that Jacqueline was wearing a "Keep America Great" pin. Hannah then stopped smiling. When Jacqueline asked what was wrong, Hannah said "I don't appreciate that you're wearing that pin."
For that sin, Jacqueline demanded a full refund on the meal, complained to the manager, and got Hannah fired.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/a-trump-supporting-customer-at-a-dc-cafe-claims-a-server-discriminated-against-her-the-server-says-she-just-answerede -the-womans-question/2019/08/07/a0daa26e-b870-11e9-a091-6a96e67d9cce_story.html
Hannah was a server at a Washington, DC cafe. A customer (Jacqueline) came into the cafe, and Hannah took her order. At some point during the transaction, Hannah noticed that Jacqueline was wearing a "Keep America Great" pin. Hannah then stopped smiling. When Jacqueline asked what was wrong, Hannah said "I don't appreciate that you're wearing that pin."
For that sin, Jacqueline demanded a full refund on the meal, complained to the manager, and got Hannah fired.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/a-trump-supporting-customer-at-a-dc-cafe-claims-a-server-discriminated-against-her-the-server-says-she-just-answerede -the-womans-question/2019/08/07/a0daa26e-b870-11e9-a091-6a96e67d9cce_story.html
Again, getting fired over it seems extreme (assuming this was only issue). And if she wants to open her own place and not serve or or point out things to customers and deal with the reproductions, more power to her. But she was an employee that represented that business.
FYI I don’t have a subscription, so if the article or video offers more clarification, I reserve the right to amend my comments

DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
I hate Trump as much as anyone. And don’t think anyone should get fired over a single mistake. But she worked for someone else in the Customer Service Field. If I said something to every customer I didn’t agree with, I would have lost my job decades ago.
Again, getting fired over it seems extreme (assuming this was only issue). And if she wants to open her own place and not serve or or point out things to customers and deal with the reproductions, more power to her. But she was an employee that represented that business.
FYI I don’t have a subscription, so if the article or video offers more clarification, I reserve the right to amend my comments

I read the full article and you aren't missing anything that would alter your stance.
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
I don’t think you’re missing anything either. I just fundamentally disagree that it’s OK that someone can be fired for simply losing their smile when they see that a customer supports Trump. And I think the Trump supporter displayed a sickening amount of entitlement.
Moderator
Thread Starter
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
Yeah I would complain if a server had a comment about something I was wearing too. Doesn't matter what it is.
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
It seems somewhat in dispute, though, if that what she was fired for. Management is saying it was related to other things. The server believes it was related to this incident.
I strongly oppose pretty much every Trump policy and I can't imagine saying something to someone wearing a MAGA hat or "Keep America Great" pin unless they were in the act of saying or doing something that was unacceptable. Just eating a meal doesn't meet that threshold.
However, I can appreciate the idea that Trump has so aligned himself with hatred, misogyny, racism, xenophobia, and other hostile representations that are un-American and unacceptable. In that regard, I can somewhat support and understand someone who feels the very representation of Trump (via MAGA hats, pins, etc.) is espousing implicit support for those same things and feels the need/urge to call it out. Trump is responsible for that and it is without question to any rationale human being. For example, would I have an issue with a black waitress losing her smile and becoming visibly upset if a white patron removed their jacket to reveal they were waring a white power or nazi themed shirt? No, I'd understand. There is something to be said for the fact that these items are a representation of hate speech.
I don't know what the server's end goal is here. If it is just to bring awareness and a talking point, fine. If she wants to set up an angle to sue her former employer, no so fine.
Was it petty for the patrons to ask for a refund? Yes. Should the server be fired for that action alone? No.
I strongly oppose pretty much every Trump policy and I can't imagine saying something to someone wearing a MAGA hat or "Keep America Great" pin unless they were in the act of saying or doing something that was unacceptable. Just eating a meal doesn't meet that threshold.
However, I can appreciate the idea that Trump has so aligned himself with hatred, misogyny, racism, xenophobia, and other hostile representations that are un-American and unacceptable. In that regard, I can somewhat support and understand someone who feels the very representation of Trump (via MAGA hats, pins, etc.) is espousing implicit support for those same things and feels the need/urge to call it out. Trump is responsible for that and it is without question to any rationale human being. For example, would I have an issue with a black waitress losing her smile and becoming visibly upset if a white patron removed their jacket to reveal they were waring a white power or nazi themed shirt? No, I'd understand. There is something to be said for the fact that these items are a representation of hate speech.
I don't know what the server's end goal is here. If it is just to bring awareness and a talking point, fine. If she wants to set up an angle to sue her former employer, no so fine.
Was it petty for the patrons to ask for a refund? Yes. Should the server be fired for that action alone? No.
DVD Talk Legend
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: True North Strong & Free
Posts: 17,353
Received 670 Likes
on
472 Posts
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
Not that I'd wear that stupid pin, but I probably just would have shot back "Your job is to bring me food, not critique my wardrobe choices." Of course, then I'd worry about my food being spit on (or worse) in the kitchen.

DVD Talk God
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Directionally Challenged (for DirecTV)
Posts: 126,854
Received 301 Likes
on
245 Posts
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
Your article says the server said "I don't appreciate that you're wearing that pin."
I'd be pissed off too as a customer and would certainly complain to the manager.
DVD Talk Hero
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
She should not have been fired for ONLY that. However, in my experience, there is usually more to the story. If your in the customer service area, you have know, understand and be willing to put up with people.. I have a local watering hole I frequent 4-5 times a week when I’m home, I regularly take them breakfast I have made them. Part of the reason is I’ve been in there at midnight and see shit they have to put up with,
DVD Talk God
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Directionally Challenged (for DirecTV)
Posts: 126,854
Received 301 Likes
on
245 Posts
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
I have a simple rule for work as an employee. I keep my politics to myself. I expect others to do the same. If you work in customer service, that should go double. Don't like it. Tough shit.
If this was the owner, I'd have no problem with what they did. It's their business.
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
The America we knew is gone, and it was gone before Trump
America’s afflictions, meanwhile, are chronic and debilitating. They did not begin with Trump, and they will not end after Nov. 3, 2020.https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ter...e-before-trump
Even our papers are depressing.

Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
Or this...
Literally in the fucking hospital and politicking like an asshole.
https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/...69870758727682
Literally in the fucking hospital and politicking like an asshole.
https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/...69870758727682
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
She asked because she already knew the answer. Back when I was a teenage asshole, I had a shirt that said "Jesus" really big and then in small print underneath "protect me from your followers". When you're wearing something like that, you get to notice people's reactions. There's no way she didn't notice her server's eyes drop to the button immediately before the smile went away. She's seen that reaction before, but this time she got to do something about it.
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
She asked because she already knew the answer. Back when I was a teenage asshole, I had a shirt that said "Jesus" really big and then in small print underneath "protect me from your followers". When you're wearing something like that, you get to notice people's reactions. There's no way she didn't notice her servers eyes drop to the button immediately before the smile went away. She's seen that reaction before, but this time she got to do something about it.
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
You’re missing a key step. The server lost her smile and then the customer asked her why she wasn’t smiling. The server didn’t volunteer “I don’t like your pin.” She responded to a question from her customer. But it seems the consensus of the forum seems to be that part of her job as a server is to lie about her own emotions to spare the feelings of every privileged asshole who might get triggered.
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
You’re missing a key step. The server lost her smile and then the customer asked her why she wasn’t smiling. The server didn’t volunteer “I don’t like your pin.” She responded to a question from her customer. But it seems the consensus of the forum seems to be that part of her job as a server is to lie about her own emotions to spare the feelings of every privileged asshole who might get triggered.
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
Obviously there is some behavior that would be unacceptable. A server who walks over to a customer’s table and says “I don’t like your fucking Trump pin” is clearly over the line. But that’s not what happened here.
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
No it isn’t. This woman’s job was to serve food. She’s probably making something close to minimum wage to do it. People are not automatons. People are allowed to have emotions and reactions. People are allowed to not feel super happy chipper for their entire shift, and they shouldn’t be required to put on an acting performance just so some customer doesn’t have to stop thinking about themselves for 10 seconds.
Obviously there is some behavior that would be unacceptable. A server who walks over to a customer’s table and says “I don’t like your fucking Trump pin” is clearly over the line. But that’s not what happened here.
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

DVD Talk God
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Directionally Challenged (for DirecTV)
Posts: 126,854
Received 301 Likes
on
245 Posts
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
You’re missing a key step. The server lost her smile and then the customer asked her why she wasn’t smiling. The server didn’t volunteer “I don’t like your pin.” She responded to a question from her customer. But it seems the consensus of the forum seems to be that part of her job as a server is to lie about her own emotions to spare the feelings of every privileged asshole who might get triggered.
Plus we're talking about a server in a Washington DC restuarant. I've lived here for 25 years. There is politics all over the place - in public. As a server, you should fully expect to serve people of all different political stripes. Not to mention it's a tourist hub where you're going to deal with people with a wide range of views. If you can't keep your politics to yourself in such an environment, you probably should not be a server.
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3
No it isn’t. This woman’s job was to serve food. She’s probably making something close to minimum wage to do it. People are not automatons. People are allowed to have emotions and reactions. People are allowed to not feel super happy chipper for their entire shift, and they shouldn’t be required to put on an acting performance just so some customer doesn’t have to stop thinking about themselves for 10 seconds.
Obviously there is some behavior that would be unacceptable. A server who walks over to a customer’s table and says “I don’t like your fucking Trump pin” is clearly over the line. But that’s not what happened here.