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Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

Old 03-23-19, 05:41 PM
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I'm guessing this may be the last quiet weekend he has before all hell breaks loose starting next week.
What will happen next week?
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Old 03-23-19, 07:39 PM
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Everyone over at Fake News Network(CNN) are sitting with their fingers in their asses waiting for some breaking news(that they usually steal from another new's agency).

If Trump is in the 100 percent clear of any wrong doing then CNN will become a Headline News spinoff and show reruns of the same show 24/7.
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Whether or not obstruction is in the report, it's obvious to most that trump did in fact commit obstruction. Heck, he admitted as much. And if they're willing to hold him accountable to that, well...


Now I'm suddenly thinking the obstruction angle could be in there and could very well hurt trump and still fit completely well with everything we have heard so far regarding no indictments etc.

I gotta lower the hype though.
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Old 03-23-19, 08:36 PM
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Imagine loving something half as much as Manafort loves crimes!


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Has Conway yet commented on the ostensible exoneration of her BFF?

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Whether or not obstruction is in the report, it's obvious to most that trump did in fact commit obstruction. Heck, he admitted as much.
Trump committed obstruction. If Mueller and/or Barr says otherwise, well, they're wrong. I realize that's a bold assertion, but look at it this way...

Write down all of the ways that Trump interfered. Targeted firings, threats, requests to stop investigating individuals, requests for other agencies to intervene with the DOJ/FBI, false statements, attacks on individual investigators and witnesses, etc. Does every president now have this tool kit to work with? Are we prepared to make that the precedent? Hell no, and anyone in Congress who tells you otherwise is a damn liar. The president could "fight back" with impunity and cripple an investigation.

This would set a terrible precedent. As with the fake national emergency, Republicans better be prepared for a Democratic president to assert these powers. They are hypocrites, of course, so they will try to treat Trump as the exception to the rule. But you can't put the genie back in the bottle.

Now I'm suddenly thinking the obstruction angle could be in there and could very well hurt trump and still fit completely well with everything we have heard so far regarding no indictments etc.

I gotta lower the hype though
Barr worships at the altar of the executive. I think he will give Trump a pass. But I hope I'm wrong.
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Old 03-24-19, 08:48 AM
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His first tweets in 30 hours...


Translation: He has no idea what the report says, and his overwhelming compulsion to speak out has finally overtaken him. Thus, these generic tweets that mean nothing.
That, and Fox and Friends probably mentioned something about how long it's been since he's tweeted.
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Old 03-24-19, 12:43 PM
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This delay certainly makes it seem more of a complicated issue than not...

https://twitter.com/mattzap/status/1109506469580419073

You know, this leads me to think that maybe impeachment and removal is still actually on the table. Not likely, but on the table. Everyone who saw the evidence, even GOPers, sobered up real quick.
This is a big point. This is the shit that ran Chaffetz and Gowdy out of the House because they could not reconcile having to deal with this. Whatever they learned was too much for them to stomach as a partisan hack and yet they were too hacky to own their responsibility to deal with it.
I'm going to go with "This is an important report, and we're going to read it very carefully." Nobody wants to be the person who pencil-whipped a section that later provoked a constitutional crisis.
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Old 03-24-19, 01:41 PM
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The Hill reports that the House Judiciary Committee will receive a briefing on the Mueller report at 5 pm (I presume EST): https://thehill.com/policy/national-...eport-findings
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Old 03-24-19, 02:54 PM
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My notices starting to pop that no evidence of Trump coordinating with Russia to interfer. Stops short of saying no obstruction.
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Also states, “Does not conclude Trump committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”
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Old 03-24-19, 03:10 PM
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There is no evidence of ANY colluuuuuussssion.....

There is no evidence of ANY colluuuuuussssion.....

There is no evidence of ANY colluuuuuussssion.....
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DOJ summary of the Muller report. It's a pretty interesting read.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/24/polit...doj/index.html
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DOJ summary of the Muller report. It's a pretty interesting read.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/24/polit...doj/index.html
Is an interesting read. Some of which seems a bit criptic. This 2 page memo will not put this “all” to rest.
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So no sealed indictments either.
Well, I am not disappointed and I am a liberal. It does to the idea that Trump was too stupid to conspire, but this is not the end game. I do think he will be found guilty of financial crimes that will bring him down.
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It also should be noted that the report AGAIN confirms there was Russia influence into our election.

Soooo..what is Teump doing to stop,that in the future?
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Old 03-24-19, 03:43 PM
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DOJ summary of the Muller report. It's a pretty interesting read.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/24/polit...doj/index.html
Indeed it is. In fact if this is an accurate summary then I, for one, am willing to accept that Mueller's team was sufficiently thorough and diligent that they couldn't find the appropriate connections to the campaign. What we have seen is a bunch of coincidental information, which seemed to be quite damning on the surface. As to what went deeper, we don't have insight on.

Obstruction of Justice is still quite a problem, IMO.

Regardless, we have to have the patience to place these investigations with the appropriate people and let the US justice system to it's job. And, time will tell.

NOTE - I personally think that this administration is a cancer on our country. But that is an entirely different issue.

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It also should be noted that the report AGAIN confirms there was Russia influence into our election.

Soooo..what is Teump doing to stop,that in the future?

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Old 03-24-19, 03:55 PM
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Regardless, we have to have the patience to place these investigations with the appropriate people and let the US justice system to it's job. And, time will tell.

The problem with this is that Mueller was seen as the unimpeachable, non partisan gold standard.

From here on out, no matter how valid and damning the evidence, EVERYTHING will be dismissed, or framed by one side, as the result of petty, partisan vindictiveness.

That's...not helpful.
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Trump hand-picked Barr for a reason.
  1. Barr writes a memo about obstruction of justice and sends it to the DOJ and White House.
  2. Trump forces out Sessions and appoints Barr to the position of attorney general.
  3. Mueller says the evidence does not exonerate Trump of obstruction.
  4. Barr concludes that Trump did not obstruct justice.
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This guy can’t stop lying even when he has a victory. The report of the report clearly says that Mueller does NOT exonerate him. We need to see the whole report as I don’t trust Barr, a guy who was appointed by lil Donnie for protection

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With regard to obstruction, Barr falsely said that there were no underlying crimes. We already know that Trump directed his personal lawyer to commit felonies. That happened immediately before the election. So yes, it makes sense that Trump would want to obstruct justice.
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It really is sad that President Clinton will end up getting into more trouble for a blowjob than Trump will for all of the fraud, lying and being an all around shit stain on the office.
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So everyone will claim victory and the circus will continue. Yay.
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Here's the letter from Barr. As CNN pointed out, Barr, not Mueller, said there was no obstruction. The whole investigation document needs to be shown. It's pretty clear that Barr is protecting Trump and the White House is going with the half-ass narrative that Barr, not Mueller, presented. This is complete bullshit and once again shows the lack of transparency this administration has. Again, if Trump is innocent, why don't they show the full investigation report?

Attorney General William Barr on Sunday submitted to Congress his summary of the main conclusions from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. The full text of his letter is below:
Dear Chairman Graham, Chairman Nadler, Ranking Member Feinstein, and Ranking Member Collins:As a supplement to the notification provided on Friday, March 22, 2019, I am writing today to advise you of the principal conclusions reached by Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller and to inform you about the status of my initial review of the report he has prepared.
The Special Counsel's Report On Friday, the Special Counsel submitted to me a "confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions" he has reached, as required by 28 C.F.R. § 600.8(c). This report is entitled "Report on the Investigation into Russian Interference in the 2016 Presidential Election." Although my review is ongoing, I believe that it is in the public interest to describe the report and to summarize the principal conclusions reached by the Special Counsel and the results of his investigation.
The report explains that the Special Counsel and his staff thoroughly investigated allegations that members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump, and others associated with it, conspired with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, or sought to obstruct the related federal investigations. In the report, the Special Counsel noted that, in completing his investigation, he employed 19 lawyers who were assisted by a team of approximately 40 FBI agents, intelligence forensic accountants, and other professional staff. The Special Counsel issued more than 2,800 subpoenas, executed nearly 500 search warrants, obtained more than 230 orders for communication records, issued almost 50 orders authorizing use of pen registers, made 13 requests to foreign governments for evidence, and interviewed approximately 500 witnesses.The Special Counsel obtained a number of indictments and convictions of individuals and entities in connection with his investigation, all of which have been publicly disclosed. During the course of his investigation, the Special Counsel also referred several matters to other offices for further action. The report does not recommend any further indictments, nor did the Special Counsel obtain any sealed indictments that have yet to be made public. Below, I summarize the principal conclusions set out in the Special Counsel's report.Russian Interference in the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election. The Special Counsel's report is divided into two parts. The first describes the results of the Special Counsel's investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The report outlines the Russian effort to influence the election and documents crimes committed by persons associated with the Russian government in connection with those efforts. The report further explains that a primary consideration for the Special Counsel's investigation was whether any Americans including individuals associated with the Trump campaign joined the Russian conspiracies to influence the election, which would be a federal crime. The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: "[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."The Special Counsel's investigation determined that there were two main Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election. The first involved attempts by a Russian organization, the Internet Research Agency (IRA), to conduct disinformation and social media operations in the United States designed to sow social discord, eventually with the aim of interfering with the election. As noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that any U.S. person or Trump campaign official or associate conspired or knowingly coordinated with the IRA in its efforts, although the Special Counsel brought criminal charges against a number of Russian nationals and entities in connection with these activities.The second element involved the Russian government's efforts to conduct computer hacking operations designed to gather and disseminate information to influence the election. The Special Counsel found that Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails from persons affiliated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including WikiLeaks. Based on these activities, the Special Counsel brought criminal charges against a number of Russian military officers for conspiring to hack into computers in the United States for purposes of influencing the election. But as noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.Obstruction of Justice. The report's second part addresses a number of actions by the President most of which have been the subject of public reporting that the Special Counsel investigated as potentially raising obstruction-of-justice concerns. After making a "thorough factual investigation" into these matters, the Special Counsel considered whether to evaluate the conduct under Department standards governing prosecution and declination decisions but ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion one way or the other as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction. Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as "difficult issues" of law and fact concerning whether the President's actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction. The Special Counsel states that "while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."The Special Counsel's decision to describe the facts of his obstruction investigation without reaching any legal conclusions leaves it to the Attorney General to determine whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime. Over the course of the investigation, the Special Counsel's office engaged in discussions with certain Department officials regarding many of the legal and factual matters at issue in the Special Counsel's obstruction investigation. After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense. Our determination was made without regard to, and is not based on, the constitutional considerations that surround the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting president.In making this determination, we noted that the Special Counsel recognized that "the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference," and that, while not determinative, the absence of such evidence bears upon the President's intent with respect to obstruction. Generally speaking, to obtain and sustain an obstruction conviction, the government would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person, acting with corrupt intent, engaged in obstructive conduct with a sufficient nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding. In cataloguing the President's actions, many of which took place in public view, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent, each of which, under the Department's principles of federal prosecution guiding charging decisions, would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to establish an obstruction-of-justice offense.Status of the Department's ReviewThe relevant regulations contemplate that the Special Counsel's report will be a "confidential report" to the Attorney General. See Office of Special Counsel, 64 Fed. Reg. 37,038, 37,040-41 (July 9, 1999). As I have previously stated, however, I am mindful of the public interest in this matter. For that reason, my goal and intent is to release as much of the Special Counsel's report as I can consistent with applicable law, regulations, and Departmental policies.Based on my discussions with the Special Counsel and my initial review, it is apparent that the report contains material that is or could be subject to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure which imposes restrictions on the use and disclosure of information relating to "matter[s] occurring before grand jury." Fed. R. Crim. P. 6(e)(2)(B) Rule 6(e) generally limits disclosure of certain grand jury information in a criminal investigation and prosecution. Id. Disclosure of 6(e) material beyond the strict limits set forth in the rule is a crime in certain circumstances. See, e.g. 18 U.S.C. 401(3). This restriction protects the integrity of grand jury proceedings and ensures that the unique and invaluable investigative powers of a grand jury are used strictly for their intended criminal justice function.Given these restrictions, the schedule for processing the report depends in part on how quickly the Department can identify the 6(e) material that by law cannot be made public. I have requested the assistance of the Special Counsel in identifying all 6(e) information contained in the report as quickly as possible. Separately, I also must identify any information that could impact other ongoing matters, including those that the Special Counsel has referred to other offices. As soon as that process is complete, I will be in a position to move forward expeditiously in determining what can be released in light of applicable law, regulations, and Departmental policies.* * *As I observed in my initial notification, the Special Counsel regulations provide that "the Attorney General may determine that public release of" notifications to your respective Committees "would be in the public interest." 28 C.F.R. § 600.9(c). I have so determined, and I will disclose this letter to the public after delivering it to you.
Sincerely,William P. Barr
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