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Ha, so Trump stated the reason why he went on a McCain Twitter rampage - because McCain voted no to the healthcare overhaul.

"I have never been a fan of McCain, and never will be." Yeah, he's butthurt.
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Doubling down on John McCain

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Nothing to see here, just a little bank fraud:

Deutsche Bank loaned over $2 billion to Trump: report

In attempting to secure loans from the bank, Trump often exaggerated his wealth, according to the Times.

When Trump was trying to get a loan from the bank to build a skyscraper in Chicago, he reportedly said his net worth was $3 billion. The bank, however, reportedly concluded that he was worth about $788 million.

But the bank still agreed in 2005 to lend Trump more than $500 million for the project, a decision that was made after Trump used flights on his private plane in an attempt to woo the bankers, according to the Times.

Years later, in 2010, Trump again turned to Deutsche Bank for a loan as he attempted to buy the Doral Golf Resort and Spa for $100 million. The bank again reportedly determined that Trump was exaggerating his wealth, this time concluding that he had overvalued some of his real estate assets by up to 70 percent.
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Originally Posted by cungar View Post
Be interesting to know what these "very bad people" did. Or what ethnicity they are.
Maybe the taco salad the kitchen/chef prepared for him didn't meet his expectations???

Perhaps they served him food with standard silverware rather than the gold-plated stuff?

A possibility that one of the employees referred to him as "Donnie" to his face???

We may never know ...
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I still think Donald is living scum, totally unqualified, and a malignant narcissist, but think this is an interesting read, and something to think about: What Progressives Should Know About Trump Voters, from CNN Opinion.

It basically reframes a lot of what I dislike about Donald, making its appeal understandable.
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While he's at it, why don't we find out why he still has many Twitter users blocked from seeing his tweets after the courts told him that was illegal?

And more shit

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I still think Donald is living scum, totally unqualified, and a malignant narcissist, but think this is an interesting read, and something to think about: What Progressives Should Know About Trump Voters, from CNN Opinion.

It basically reframes a lot of what I dislike about Donald, making its appeal understandable.
Or basically stating that his followers believe all the bullshit that comes out of this asshole's mouth just because he's a Republican. Let's tackle some of those points

1. Voters appreciate that the economy is currently experiencing near record-low peacetime unemployment, record-low minority unemployment, and virtual 3% annualized GDP growth. Interest and inflation rates remain low. Workers' wages increased after years of stagnation. The US is now the world's largest producer of oil and natural gas. And gasoline prices remain affordable. The President continues to redress asymmetrical trade with China, as well as with former NAFTA partners and Europe. He jawbones companies to curb offshoring and outsourcing. The current economic recovery and low consumer prices have uplifted millions of middle-class Americans who appreciate the upswing.
The economic recovery was thanks to Obama. Lil Donnie is riding the wave of this good economy. As for the international trade, we'll see the effects of this imbeciles foolish decisions in the years to come.

2. Trump does not exist in a vacuum. Many supporters turned off by some of his antics are still far more appalled by an emerging radical neo-socialist Democratic agenda. If the alternative to Trump is a disturbing tolerance among some Democrats for anti-Semitism, the Green New Deal, reparations, a permissive approach to abortion even very late in pregnancy, a wealth tax, a 70-90% top income tax rate, the abolition of ICE, open borders, and Medicare for all, Trump's record between 2017-20 will seem moderate and preferable. Progressives do not fully appreciate how the hysterics and media coverage of the Kavanaugh hearings, the Covington teenagers and the Jussie Smollett psychodrama turned off half the country. Such incidents and their reportage confirmed suspicions of cultural bias, media distortions, and an absence of fair play and reciprocity.
These are buzz words created by the GOP to get away with murder and his supporters are too dumb to see this. It reminds me of the stories that came out in 2007 of people who were against Obama and Medicare and Medicaid, yet were using those benefits to get their little rascal scooters to more around and they didn't have to pay a single cent. These people are willfully ignorant or pretend to be for convenience.

3.Trump can be uncouth and crass. But he has shown an empathy for the hollowed-out interior, lacking from prior Republican and Democratic candidates. His populist agenda explains why millions of once traditional Democratic voters defected in 2016 to him -- and may well again in 2020. Some polls counterintuitively suggest that Trump may well win more minority voters than prior Republican presidential candidates.
This needs citation, because the "empathy" that Trump shows have been hollow words or words of convenience. He's shown "empathy" to red states during emergencies but told blue states and Puerto Rico to go fuck themselves when they were hit by fires, hurricanes or storms. His shown "empathy" for farmers at the same time he screws them through stupid trade negotiations.

4. Trump may come across as callous to some, but to others at least genuine. He does not modulate his accent to fit regional crowds, as did Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. He does not adopt particular outfits at state fairs or visit bowling allies to seek authenticity. Like him or not, his Queens accent, formal attire, odd tan, and wild hair remain the same wherever he goes and speaks. Voters respect that he is at least unadulterated in a way untrue of most politicians. Big Macs convey earthiness in a way arugula does not.
Basically, he pretends to be one of us because his diet is of Big Macs but in reality, this asshole has lived all his life on ivory towers in NYC. This is not genuine, this is a con artist/snake oil salesman at work

5. Even when Trump has hit an impasse, his supporters mostly continue to believe that he at least keeps trying to meet his promises on taxes, the economy, energy, foreign policy, strict-constructionist judges, and the border. So far his supporters feel Trump has not suffered a "Read my lips" or "You can keep your doctor" moment.
Again, more bullshit. He has suffered from the read my lips syndrome with the whole MEXICO WILL PAY FOR THE WALL bullshit. It's simply that his followers are again ignoring the facts.

6. Voters are angry over the sustained effort to remove or delegitimize a sitting president. Many of the controversies over Trump result from the inability of Hillary Clinton supporters to accept his shocking victory. Instead they try any means possible to abort his presidency in a way not seen in recent history. Trump voters cringe at such serial but so far unsuccessful efforts to delegitimize the President: the immediate law suits challenging voting machines, the effort to warp the Electoral College voting, initial impeachment efforts, appeals to the Emoluments Clause, the 25th Amendment, and the calcified Logan Act, the Mueller investigation that far exceeded and yet may have not met its original mandate to find Russian "collusion," and the strange Andrew McCabe-Ron Rosenstein failed palace coup. All this comes in addition to a disturbing assassination "chic," as Madonna, Johnny Depp, Kathy Griffin, Robert DeNiro and dozens of others express openly thoughts of killing, blowing up, or beating up an elected president. The Shorenstein Center at Harvard University has found that mainstream media coverage of Trump's first 100 days in office ranged from 70-90% negative of Trump, depending on the week, an asymmetry never quite seen before seen but one that erodes confidence in the media. Voters are developing a grudging respect for the 72-year-old, less-than-fit Trump who each day weathers unprecedented vitriol and yet does not give up, in the Nietzschean sense of whatever does not kill him, seems to make him stronger.
Almost every single presidents has had it's detractors that want to take them away from the presidency. Trump worked on removing Obama from office because he hadn't shown his birth certificate. The GOP wanted to remove Clinton for a blowjob and Obama "because he's a Kenyan Muslim". Fox News tried and tried with Obama, but guess what? Obama is a decent person while Trump is a fucking con artist who's benefiting financially from the presidency. Again, followers simply ignoring the facts to have their way

7. Progressives seemingly do not appreciate historical contexts. By past presidential standards, Trump's behavior while in the White House has not been characterized by the personal indiscretions of a John F. Kennedy or Bill Clinton. His language has been blunt, but then so was Harry Truman's. He can be gross, but perhaps not so much as was Lyndon Johnson. The point is not to use such comparisons to excuse Trump's rough speech and tweets, but to remind that the present media climate and the electronic age of the Internet and social media, along with general historical ignorance about prior presidencies, have warped objective analysis of Trump, the first president without either prior political office or military service
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This is whataboutism at its worst. Trump has violated campaign laws to hide his indiscretions and used crass language on a daily basis to insult citizens of the United States for no fucking reason.

8. Globalization enriched the two coasts, while America's interior was hollowed out. Anywhere abroad muscular labor could be duplicated at cheaper rates, it often was -- especially in heavy industry and manufacturing. Trump alone sensed that and appealed to constituencies that heretofore had been libeled by presidents and presidential candidates as "crazies," "clingers," "deplorables" and "irredeemables." Fairly or not, half the country feels that elites, a deep state, or just "they" (call them whatever you will) are both condemnatory and yet ignorant of so-called fly-over country. Trump is seen as their payback.
This is bullshit to the max, specially when Trump has enriched himself by being a "coastal elite". Whoever wrote this doesn't know two shits about economics and how the working industry is all over the US

9. For a thrice-married former raconteur, the Trump first family appears remarkably stable, and loyal. The first lady is winsome and gracious. Despite the negative publicity, daughter Ivanka remains poised and conciliatory. The appearance of stability suggests that if Trump may have often been a poor husband, he was nonetheless a good father.
Seriously? So the Obama's were a dysfunctional family? Or is it simply that these racists pieces of shit kept calling the whole family monkeys and questioning if Michelle was a man? Because as of today, the Obamas have been exemplary by not being the embarrassment that the whole Trump family is

10. Trump is a masterful impromptu speaker. Increasingly he can be self-deprecatory, and his performances are improving. Even his marathon rallies stay entertaining to about half the country. He handles crowds in the fashion of JFK, Bill Clinton, or Barack Obama rather than of a flat Bob Dole, Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney.
Masterful? Seriously? He speaks to the lowest common denominator and they eat his shit for reasons that are unknown to thinking people. He incites violence at his rallies and acts more like the leader of a cult than the leader of the US. So if that is masterful, then we can also say that David Duke and Charles Manson are masterful
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I still think Donald is living scum, totally unqualified, and a malignant narcissist, but think this is an interesting read, and something to think about: What Progressives Should Know About Trump Voters, from CNN Opinion.

It basically reframes a lot of what I dislike about Donald, making its appeal understandable.
More about the author (Victor Davis Hanson):

The Classicist Who Sees Donald Trump as a Tragic Hero

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and...-a-tragic-hero
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

Originally Posted by Red Hood View Post
Or basically stating that his followers believe all the bullshit that comes out of this asshole's mouth just because he's a Republican. Let's tackle some of those points



The economic recovery was thanks to Obama. Lil Donnie is riding the wave of this good economy. As for the international trade, we'll see the effects of this imbeciles foolish decisions in the years to come.



These are buzz words created by the GOP to get away with murder and his supporters are too dumb to see this. It reminds me of the stories that came out in 2007 of people who were against Obama and Medicare and Medicaid, yet were using those benefits to get their little rascal scooters to more around and they didn't have to pay a single cent. These people are willfully ignorant or pretend to be for convenience.



This needs citation, because the "empathy" that Trump shows have been hollow words or words of convenience. He's shown "empathy" to red states during emergencies but told blue states and Puerto Rico to go fuck themselves when they were hit by fires, hurricanes or storms. His shown "empathy" for farmers at the same time he screws them through stupid trade negotiations.



Basically, he pretends to be one of us because his diet is of Big Macs but in reality, this asshole has lived all his life on ivory towers in NYC. This is not genuine, this is a con artist/snake oil salesman at work



Again, more bullshit. He has suffered from the read my lips syndrome with the whole MEXICO WILL PAY FOR THE WALL bullshit. It's simply that his followers are again ignoring the facts.



Almost every single presidents has had it's detractors that want to take them away from the presidency. Trump worked on removing Obama from office because he hadn't shown his birth certificate. The GOP wanted to remove Clinton for a blowjob and Obama "because he's a Kenyan Muslim". Fox News tried and tried with Obama, but guess what? Obama is a decent person while Trump is a fucking con artist who's benefiting financially from the presidency. Again, followers simply ignoring the facts to have their way

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This is whataboutism at its worst. Trump has violated campaign laws to hide his indiscretions and used crass language on a daily basis to insult citizens of the United States for no fucking reason.



This is bullshit to the max, specially when Trump has enriched himself by being a "coastal elite". Whoever wrote this doesn't know two shits about economics and how the working industry is all over the US



Seriously? So the Obama's were a dysfunctional family? Or is it simply that these racists pieces of shit kept calling the whole family monkeys and questioning if Michelle was a man? Because as of today, the Obamas have been exemplary by not being the embarrassment that the whole Trump family is



Masterful? Seriously? He speaks to the lowest common denominator and they eat his shit for reasons that are unknown to thinking people. He incites violence at his rallies and acts more like the leader of a cult than the leader of the US. So if that is masterful, then we can also say that David Duke and Charles Manson are masterful
That was a very thorough dismantling of the "reasons" given for supporting Trump.

Just because CNN posts this as "opinion" doesn't get them off the hook of doing similar analysis. They've earned the label "fake news" but not always for the reasons Trump gives.
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Originally Posted by eXcentris View Post
More about the author (Victor Davis Hanson):

The Classicist Who Sees Donald Trump as a Tragic Hero

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and...-a-tragic-hero
Hanson says in that interview that Trump is a hero in terms of “I see a skill that I have. I see a problem. I want to solve that problem, and I want to solve that problem so much that the ensuing reaction may not necessarily be good for me. And they accept that.”

to think that Trump would ever care about anything other than making himself look good.

The excerpts of the article that Red Hood quoted sound like complete bullshit.
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Originally Posted by eXcentris View Post
More about the author (Victor Davis Hanson):

The Classicist Who Sees Donald Trump as a Tragic Hero

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and...-a-tragic-hero
Victor Davis Hanson was once a respected classicist whose work on ancient warfare is still taught regularly. But sometime in the early aughts he went off the rails a bit (this happened to a lot of people, you might remember) and is now your crazy old uncle ranting at the dinner table.
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The excerpts of the article that Red Hood quoted sound like complete bullshit.
That's not the excerpts. It's actually the complete article, point by point. CNN should be fucking embarrassed to post shit like that.

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Victor Davis Hanson was once a respected classicist whose work on ancient warfare is still taught regularly. But sometime in the early aughts he went off the rails a bit (this happened to a lot of people, you might remember) and is now your crazy old uncle ranting at the dinner table.
I'd never heard of the guy which is why I got curious and did a search. It seems he just brushes off character flaws and questionable behavior under his "flawed hero" carpet, which you can pretty much do with any other unsavory character in a position of power.
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I'd never heard of the guy which is why I got curious and did a search. It seems he just brushes off character flaws and questionable behavior under his "flawed hero" carpet, which you can pretty much do with any other unsavory character in a position of power.
Pretty much the fulcrum point in his career was Carnage and Culture, where he argues that the superiority of Western culture, by dint of liberal values, self expression, and whatnot, allowed for greater command and control flexibility on the battlefield, and hence, superior armies. Some people thought it was brilliant but a lot of people thought it was complete bullshit.
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But Western culture won't give you kamikaze pilots or the batshit crazyness of armies charging forward shouting "for the Supreme Leaderrrrrr!".
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And as always, Thanks Obama!


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Why wouldn't it be?
Seems like it might violate the establishment clause.
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Surely Kellyanne will defend her husband against dear leader.


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And here's some other bullshit. Now with 100% more Larry the Cable Guy




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Surely Kellyanne will defend her husband against dear leader.


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...35293671845888
The Conways are simply the Carville/Matalin for a new generation.
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The Conways are simply the Carville/Matalin for a new generation.
Yeah, I remember when Bill Clinton called Matalin a "loser" and a "bad wife". Good times.
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So now Trump is retweeting a video that was retweeted by Larry the Cable Guy from a video that was retweeted by James Wood from a video that was posted on the alt-right wing/fake news/trolls Tweeter account Deep State Exposed.

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