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Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

Old 02-15-19, 11:24 AM
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Old 02-15-19, 11:39 AM
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So no link to when Obama did what Trump did today?

Even Fox News acknowledges that this is unprecedented:

This is far from the only declared national emergency. According to the Congressional Research Service, there are at least 30 "national emergencies" in effect, including those concerning blocking Iranian government property, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and other terror-related acts. But none of the emergencies have involved the president of the United States spending money that had not been specifically appropriated by Congress

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Old 02-15-19, 11:41 AM
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

As I just said, NY courts ruled there didn't need to be an actual emergency for Cuomo to declare it a state of emergency. If it exists at the state level I'm sure the President is given more leeway than that.
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That's a new one. Now it's Cuomo who did it first.
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That's a new one. Now it's Cuomo who did it first.
All I said was it went to court in NY and the courts said he could do it and didn't need to prove there was any tangible emergency. I don't see why you are being sarcastic. Take it for what it is worth. It did not go to a higher court so we don't know if it would have held up at the federal level. I just made the logical assumption that if Cuomo could do it without an actual emergency then Trump probably can too. If it comes out that Trump cannot do it, for whatever reason, that may be enough for the NY groups to revisit the lawsuit and try to go to a higher court.
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

The things Obama did in my imagination are far worse than anything Trump has done in the real world.
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If Trump can do it, why can't a Dem President?
I took that response to mean the Second Amendment folks would do something about it. No sarcasm emoji.
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I wasn't endorsing or criticizing Cuomo or Trump. I am merely stating for those that think a NE is outlandish or illegal, we went through it and this was the result. They all criticize the rules when the other guy uses them to his advantage. They get into office and do the same thing. Obama criticized Bush for his spending and his recess appointments. He then went ahead and did it himself while in office to an even greater degree. Trump criticized Obama for his deficit spending and is doing even more.
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We need to call our representatives in Congress about this fake national emergency. We need to do more than complain on the Internet. House Democrats can vote to cancel the national emergency, forcing the Senate to vote, too.

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Those who have been defending this "emergency", any thoughts on Trump's comments?
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Those who have been defending this "emergency", any thoughts on Trump's comments?
His comments are consistent with my belief that he actually doesn't want the wall to be built during his first term, but will use it as the reason why his base needs to vote for him in 2020.
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Those who have been defending this "emergency", any thoughts on Trump's comments?
But her emails?
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I wasn't endorsing or criticizing Cuomo or Trump. I am merely stating for those that think a NE is outlandish or illegal, we went through it and this was the result. They all criticize the rules when the other guy uses them to his advantage.
Except in this case, Congress had explicitly declined to fund the wall. It's clear that Trump is just going around Congress. That's unconstitutional because Congress appropriates funds.

Based on the facts on the ground as well as Trump's words, there is also no national emergency. Trump said, "I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didn't need to do this [national emergency]. But I would rather do it much faster."
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All I said was it went to court in NY and the courts said he could do it and didn't need to prove there was any tangible emergency. I don't see why you are being sarcastic. Take it for what it is worth. It did not go to a higher court so we don't know if it would have held up at the federal level. I just made the logical assumption that if Cuomo could do it without an actual emergency then Trump probably can too. If it comes out that Trump cannot do it, for whatever reason, that may be enough for the NY groups to revisit the lawsuit and try to go to a higher court.
They are different things, state vs. federal, and have different laws. I don't know how the NY case has any relevance to the federal case. First you argued that Obama did it without comparing the specific issues behind the emergencies, and now you say that Cuomo also did it, also without considering relevance to what Trump did. This is like saying that an emergency is an emergency is an emergency, and it doesn't matter what it is and why it's declared.
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Yeah, federal vs. state is also apples and oranges. I meant to say that, too, but forgot to include it.
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Those who have been defending this "emergency", any thoughts on Trump's comments?
So now you guys are going to believe what he says????

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We need to call our representatives in Congress about this fake national emergency.
I would, but it seems he's been deployed to active duty on our southern border.
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Good news, even though his BMI is now in the clinically obese range, President Tubby remains in "very good health" according to his doctor.
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Good news, even though his BMI is now in the clinically obese range, President Tubby remains in "very good health" according to his doctor.
I saw that. lol

I bet whoever decided on the "gained 4lbs" number (because we all know it's fuckin BS) didn't realize that 4lb would push him to "obese".
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I bet whoever decided on the "gained 4lbs" number (because we all know it's fuckin BS) didn't realize that 4lb would push him to "obese".
Oh I don't doubt the 4-lb increase. It's the starting number and ending number that are way off. I think the doctors switched to metric
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Oh I don't doubt the 4-lb increase. It's the starting number and ending number that are way off. I think the doctors switched to metric
I can believe 243kg for Trump.
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Well, that didn't take long!

California to sue Trump administration over national emergency declaration

Gov. Gavin Newsom said Friday that California is planning to sue the Trump administration over its declaration of a national emergency on the southern border with Mexico, delivering on a promise state Atty. Gen. Xavier Becerra made last week "to reject this foolish proposal in court the moment it touches the ground."
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Well, that didn't take long!

California to sue Trump administration over national emergency declaration



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i saw that El Paso was also thinking of suing. Ironic the border states on the ones thinking of suing. Or in California’s case, actually are.
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Oh I don't doubt the 4-lb increase. It's the starting number and ending number that are way off. I think the doctors switched to metric
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