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You were kinda right btw, the latest article says 1300.

https://www.wxyz.com/money/auto-news...te-collar-cuts

But that was just at my complex. 600+ in my building and 1300 in my complex. 4250 total.

I'm glad I'm not one of the ones competing for an IT job in the Detroit area right now, that's a LOT of IT folks and engineers and such all being laid off all at once.
From what I saw this morning it was 1300 US jobs and 4250 total worldwide, I may be mistaken. But no matter how you slice it though - it sucks.
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It's not foreign countries that are paying these import taxes by cutting a check to the government.
Wha... Isn't it like the government of Mexico sending us a $10B check to pay for the wall?
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Wha... Isn't it like the government of Mexico sending us a $10B check to pay for the wall?
Only in President Trump's fantasies ...
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Only in President Trump's fantasies ...
A lot of Trump's fantasies apparently involve money exchange.
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The below (from the Polical Cartoons thread) really sums up the SOTU address for me:

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It's missing the part about his Nixonian threat to cry like a baby if they don't end the ridiculous investigations
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From what I saw this morning it was 1300 US jobs and 4250 total worldwide, I may be mistaken. But no matter how you slice it though - it sucks.
About 2500 of those jobs will be from Oshawa, Ontario, and it does suck. It's been a big part of Oshawa for over 100 years.

Locally, at one point, we had almost 10000 workers at 3 GM plants. Now we're down to one that employs around 1300. We'll see how long that lasts.
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About 2500 of those jobs will be from Oshawa, Ontario, and it does suck. It's been a big part of Oshawa for over 100 years.

Locally, at one point, we had almost 10000 workers at 3 GM plants. Now we're down to one that employs around 1300. We'll see how long that lasts.
Ha, I've gotten us sidetracked a bit.

No, the total is 14k jobs if you include manufacturing jobs and such. Oshawa is part of those. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/06/gm-s...ructuring.html

The ~4k number I was referring to is the white collar piece from this week, mostly in NA. Affected some folks in Canada also, it is true, so not all in the U.S.
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I live like a mile and a half from the GM Fairfax Assembly in Kansas City, Kansas. Their workforce has shrunk to a shadow of its former numbers in recent years. There are also employees here who "commute" from places like Janesville, Wisconsin and Lordstown, Ohio where plants have shut down. They live here during the week and go home on the weekends. If that's not fucked up, nothing is.

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I live like a half mile from the GM Fairfax Assembly in Kansas City, Kansas. Their workforce has shrunk to a shadow of its former numbers in recent years. There are also employees here who "commute" from places like Janesville, Wisconsin and Lordstown, Ohio where plants have shut down. They live here during the week and go home on the weekends. If that's not fucked up, nothing is.
John Oliver did an excellent piece on Coal Jobs. And I think to a certain extent it applies to manufacturing jobs in general. Labor is expensive. And automation is coming down in cost.
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About 2500 of those jobs will be from Oshawa, Ontario, and it does suck. It's been a big part of Oshawa for over 100 years.

Locally, at one point, we had almost 10000 workers at 3 GM plants. Now we're down to one that employs around 1300. We'll see how long that lasts.
So only the one in St. Catharines is left now? (I think they just make powertrains, not automobiles) This has definitely been a big blow to Ontario.
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John Oliver did an excellent piece on Coal Jobs. And I think to a certain extent it applies to manufacturing jobs in general. Labor is expensive. And automation is coming down in cost.
Itís almost as if we should focus on coming up with new avenues of employment rather than clinging to outdated jobs and technology just so we can keep people employed in industries that might be all but gone juuuuust after the current President leaves office.
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It’s almost as if we should focus on coming up with new avenues of employment rather than clinging to outdated jobs and technology just so we can keep people employed in industries that might be all but gone juuuuust after the current President leaves office.
Trump became president too late to save the elevator operators.
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He will, however, be bringing back the Zeppelin industry.
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Old 02-06-19, 06:59 PM
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Where is the love for the buggy whip salespeople?
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Where is the love for the buggy whip salespeople?
I know some BDSMers who would love them.
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He will, however, be bringing back the Zeppelin industry.
Hell yeah - Led by the "Albert Einstein" of Guitar

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So only the one in St. Catharines is left now? (I think they just make powertrains, not automobiles) This has definitely been a big blow to Ontario.
Yep, and you're correct that's it's only powertrains, no final assembly. I worked there as a summer student during my university years.

The other 'main' site has been almost completely demolished now. But as things here tend to do, it's very up in the air as to what's going to happen with the property. It changes hands and drags out, seemingly forever.

The third property is being used by another company. It was quite a bit smaller.
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^The Oshawa GM plant is a gargantuan property. Some have floated the idea that this is the perfect opportunity to finally establish a Canadian car company, something that should have taken place many decades ago. The infrastructure is there, as is the well-trained workforce.
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Where is the love for the buggy whip salespeople?
+ 1 for sting good movie reference (if u meant it).
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He will, however, be bringing back the Zeppelin industry.
If Trump can make a Zep reunion concert happen, I might take back some of the mean things I've said about him.
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Itís almost as if we should focus on coming up with new avenues of employment rather than clinging to outdated jobs and technology just so we can keep people employed in industries that might be all but gone juuuuust after the current President leaves office.
And as the JO piece points out, thatís not easy. A lot of the new industries are not in the same places as traditional manufacturing jobs. Plus of course training is needed. And an individual starting over would likely have to start at the lower end of the pay scale. But it kinda has to be done. Right?
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The hypocrisy is truly breathtaking.
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https://twitter.com/senatemajldr/sta...65923761037313

The hypocrisy is truly breathtaking.
Yes, the guy who denied the POTUS his constitutional right to nominate a Supreme Court Justice. It would be laughable if it wasnít so tragic for this country.
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