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Old 02-04-19, 07:45 PM
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Back to our regularly scheduled activity, another thing of Trumps coming under investigation. But I’m sure this is just another case of Trump hate and beside Obama did it as well (Or Trump was following Obama policy - whichever).

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/04/polit...tee/index.html

One source familiar with the matter told CNN in December that the investigation was in its early stages, and that investigators were generally focused on whether any inauguration money had been misspent.
Citing conversations with people familiar with the investigation, the Journal reported that prosecutors are also looking into whether the committee accepted donations from individuals looking to gain influence in or access to the new administration.The New York Times also reported in December that federal prosecutors were looking into whether foreign nationals had funneled potentially illegal donations to both the inaugural fund and a pro-Trump super PAC in efforts to buy "influence over American policy."
The paper, citing people familiar with the inquiry, said it focuses on people from Middle Eastern countries -- including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates -- and whether they "used straw donors to disguise their donations to the two funds."
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Old 02-04-19, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei View Post
Oh my, now you're playing "Well, we're trying to get these racists outta here!" Uhuh. I don't believe you. This guy has been in politics for how long and Dems didn't know about it? PLEASE. Now you're just playing ignorant.

You call Trump a racist and sexual assaulter, and shit, not even a few weeks have passed and you got two Democrats where this exactly happened. Instead of trying to imagine Trump does things that your party actually does, how about you start discussing the issues. You try to say a SCOTUS judge sexually assaulted a woman, several of them, and then we find out they all lied about it just because they wanted to smear a guy who was chosen by Trump.

You don't see a pattern? Unfortunately, most people who hate another so much...never do.
The guy may have been in politics forever and no one knew about his racist photos except his classmates. If it was common knowledge like you are saying, don't you think the opposition would have used this as ammunition to win the elections, not wait till the guy is governor? And again, everyone from the democrats have publicly asked this guy to resign. Again, you are being willfully ignorant and blind and dense putting your party over the country, defending the indefensible in Trump and using false equivalencies in all of this.
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Originally Posted by Sdallnct View Post
Back to our regularly scheduled activity, another thing of Trumps coming under investigation. But I’m sure this is just another case of Trump hate and beside Obama did it as well (Or Trump was following Obama policy - whichever).

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/04/polit...tee/index.html

One source familiar with the matter told CNN in December that the investigation was in its early stages, and that investigators were generally focused on whether any inauguration money had been misspent.
Citing conversations with people familiar with the investigation, the Journal reported that prosecutors are also looking into whether the committee accepted donations from individuals looking to gain influence in or access to the new administration.The New York Times also reported in December that federal prosecutors were looking into whether foreign nationals had funneled potentially illegal donations to both the inaugural fund and a pro-Trump super PAC in efforts to buy "influence over American policy."
The paper, citing people familiar with the inquiry, said it focuses on people from Middle Eastern countries -- including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates -- and whether they "used straw donors to disguise their donations to the two funds."
Yeah, this is huge. I put this several posts back but it got lost in the stupid, "your party is as bad as mine" discussion.
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Old 02-04-19, 08:02 PM
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

Originally Posted by Sdallnct View Post
Back to our regularly scheduled activity, another thing of Trumps coming under investigation. But I’m sure this is just another case of Trump hate and beside Obama did it as well (Or Trump was following Obama policy - whichever).

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/04/polit...tee/index.html

One source familiar with the matter told CNN in December that the investigation was in its early stages, and that investigators were generally focused on whether any inauguration money had been misspent.
Citing conversations with people familiar with the investigation, the Journal reported that prosecutors are also looking into whether the committee accepted donations from individuals looking to gain influence in or access to the new administration.The New York Times also reported in December that federal prosecutors were looking into whether foreign nationals had funneled potentially illegal donations to both the inaugural fund and a pro-Trump super PAC in efforts to buy "influence over American policy."
The paper, citing people familiar with the inquiry, said it focuses on people from Middle Eastern countries -- including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates -- and whether they "used straw donors to disguise their donations to the two funds."

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Old 02-04-19, 08:09 PM
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^ Dawww.

Fuckery afoot, but since others did it first, criticism of Donald is NOT ALLOWED.
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Originally Posted by Red Hood View Post
The guy may have been in politics forever and no one knew about his racist photos except his classmates. If it was common knowledge like you are saying, don't you think the opposition would have used this as ammunition to win the elections, not wait till the guy is governor? And again, everyone from the democrats have publicly asked this guy to resign. Again, you are being willfully ignorant and blind and dense putting your party over the country, defending the indefensible in Trump and using false equivalencies in all of this.
He's either trolling or mentally incapable of any degree of critical thinking, but either way you're wasting your time.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei View Post
You better defend Obama, because he did the same thing. And Trump is currently enforcing Obama-era policies when it comes to immigration--in fact, it was Trump that actually decided to make it easier so "families" that crossed could stay together due to all the whining and crying from Democrats that he was so cruel and evil. How do I know? Because Democrats haven't allowed any new major immigration changes to pass and become valid legislation. Also, the courts have struck down a lot of what Trump wants to do, anyway. So, again, we're left with Obama policies. But yeah...Trump.
You keep arguing that Obama did the same thing Trump did, but that’s not remotely true. Here’s an article that goes into more detail: https://www.vox.com/2018/6/21/174884...aration-border

The relevant section:

Both presidents prosecuted many border crossers. But Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy created family separation.

Prosecuting people for illegal entry into the US is not new. Illegal entry and illegal reentry have been the two most commonly prosecuted crimes in federal court for years — often via mass trials that basically prosecuted dozens of people at once. Obama didn’t start this trend, but he certainly continued it.

While people charged with illegal entry or reentry made up as much as half of all people prosecuted in federal court in April 2018, they still made up only 10 percent of all people Border Patrol apprehended for crossing into the US between ports of entry.

In other words, officials were still deciding not to prosecute a lot of people — or, at least, didn’t have the resources to prosecute a lot of people and so had to be deliberate in deciding who deserved to be prosecuted. As a general rule — though not always — people who said they feared persecution in their home countries and wanted asylum were not prosecuted. Neither were people who came to the US with their children.

In April 2018, however, Trump’s Justice Department (led by Jeff Sessions) announced that they would start prosecuting every illegal entry case referred to them by the Department of Homeland Security. And in May 2018, Sessions and the Department of Homeland Security announced that they would start referring everyone who entered illegally for prosecution: “zero tolerance.”

The Trump administration isn’t actually prosecuting everyone who crosses the border between ports of entry yet — or even the majority of them. But the implied corollary to the “zero tolerance” policy was that the Trump administration would no longer make decisions about whom to prosecute based on whether someone was seeking asylum — or whether they were a parent.

That meant that parents were now being referred into the custody of the Department of Justice — while their children were separated from them and reclassified as “unaccompanied minors.”

Trump made separating families a matter of standard practice. Obama did not.

It’s not that no family was ever separated at the border under the Obama administration. But former Obama administration officials specify that families were separated only in particular circumstances — for instance, if a father was carrying drugs — that went above and beyond a typical case of illegal entry.

We don’t know how often that happened, but we know it was not a widespread or standard practice.

Under the Trump administration, though, it became increasingly common. A test of “zero tolerance” along one sector of the border in summer 2017 led to an unknown number of family separations. Seven hundred families were separated between October 2017 and April 2018.

From May 7 to June 20, separating a family who had entered between ports of entry was the standard practice of the Trump administration. It was the default.
In other words, the Obama admin only separated children from families in exceptional circumstances. Trump’s admin separates all children from their families as the standard operating procedure.

Stop defending this monster.
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Old 02-04-19, 09:43 PM
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You keep arguing that Obama did the same thing Trump did, but that’s not remotely true. Here’s an article that goes into more detail: https://www.vox.com/2018/6/21/174884...aration-border

The relevant section:

In other words, the Obama admin only separated children from families in exceptional circumstances. Trump’s admin separates all children from their families as the standard operating procedure.

Stop defending this monster.
Ive posted that several times. Others have as well. At this I can only assume he doesn’t actually care about the truth.
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Old 02-04-19, 09:46 PM
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BTW: Obama did better on unemployment than Trump has done thus far. That doesn't make Obama Hitler either.
You’ve never met my family.
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And I'm pretty sure our military wouldn't just fall in line if Trump decided to start a genocide.
I’ll take that bet...


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Old 02-04-19, 09:58 PM
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One thing I find a little annoying is that on one hand you have people here saying, "Why won't anyone defend Trump?," then when someone does do that, it's "Stop defending Trump." Just a little consistency would be nice.
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One thing I find a little annoying is that on one hand you have people here saying, "Why won't anyone defend Trump?," then when someone does do that, it's "Stop defending Trump." Just a little consistency would be nice.
Well, I would appreciate if they defend Trump without whataboutisms and with facts. For example, every time the children separation at the border is brought up, the Trump fans here say, "well Obama did it first", which is a whataboutism and basically, isn't true. What we want is facts about what they defend Trump or at least for them to be honest and accept that they don't care about Trump's actions at all as long as it doesn't affect them personally.
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Fuckery afoot, but since others did it first, criticism of Donald is NOT ALLOWED.
Sure it's allowed, as long as we follow it with "But Obama..." or "But Hillary..." or more recently "But Ocasio..." Just for balance, you know.
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I work at GM and we are sooo happy all looking forward to Black Monday tomorrow when thousands of us get laid off. Management and PR have explicitly mentioned the steel tariffs as part of our woes in various news stories..
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Old 02-05-19, 03:48 AM
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Yeah, I remember when Trump called the MS13 gang a bunch of animals. That was clearly dehumanizing, and I'm glad that the people here at DVDTalk were brave enough to defend the MS13 against Trump's hateful comments. And any President that would put kids in cages or indirectly result in them being placed with child traffickers should never be regarded as being a decent human being. There, we are all on the same page now.
Your own endgame is lacking. When you critique someone for dehumanizing persons, you cannot defend this by pointing out the one time out of a hundred when this was acceptable.

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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 3

Originally Posted by VinVega View Post
One thing I find a little annoying is that on one hand you have people here saying, "Why won't anyone defend Trump?," then when someone does do that, it's "Stop defending Trump." Just a little consistency would be nice.


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Well, I would appreciate if they defend Trump without whataboutisms and with facts. For example, every time the children separation at the border is brought up, the Trump fans here say, "well Obama did it first", which is a whataboutism and basically, isn't true. What we want is facts about what they defend Trump or at least for them to be honest and accept that they don't care about Trump's actions at all as long as it doesn't affect them personally.
So you want them to defend Trump using your definition of what a defense should be? The fact that they defend Trump the way they do tells you everything you need to know as to why they do.

You know where they stand, and why. So all of this continued back-n-forth re-re-rehashing the same points by both sides appears nothing more than verbal jousting for the "fun" of it.
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So you want them to defend Trump using your definition of what a defense should be? The fact that they defend Trump the way they do tells you everything you need to know as to why they do.

You know where they stand, and why. So all of this continued back-n-forth re-re-rehashing the same points by both sides appears nothing more than verbal jousting for the "fun" of it.
I don't think your criticism is fair. Of course, a defense is better than crickets but it doesn't mean that every defense is rational.

Defending Trump because of the job reports is of course not illegal but it is illogical, if you didn't like Obama's results. I am genuinely curious why someone would argue the current US economy is in any way outstanding, in relation to other countries or in relation to the previous administration.
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Human wall! everyone lock arms!

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Moreover, all reporting on the tax-cuts is that they were a bust and did not contribute anything positive.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/it...ust-2019-01-30

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/01/o...uve-heard.html

In short, the economy is doing fine but why anyone would give credit to Trump for that is unexplained. Basically we're being told to congratulate him on not fucking it up yet.


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I think this style of "human wall" would be more effective at discouraging illegal immigration:

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So you want them to defend Trump using your definition of what a defense should be? The fact that they defend Trump the way they do tells you everything you need to know as to why they do.

You know where they stand, and why. So all of this continued back-n-forth re-re-rehashing the same points by both sides appears nothing more than verbal jousting for the "fun" of it.
I fell that asking for facts when defending Trump is not my definition of defending something, it's everyone's definition and it shouldn't be much to ask for.
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Moreover, all reporting on the tax-cuts is that they were a bust and did not contribute anything positive.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/it...ust-2019-01-30

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/01/o...uve-heard.html

In short, the economy is doing fine but why anyone would give credit to Trump for that is unexplained. Basically we're being told to congratulate him on not fucking it up yet.


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I don't understand why Mulvaney doesn't get questioned about this more. He is (supposed to be) fiscally conservative. He (and others) defended the tax cuts by saying they would earn themselves back.

So either the tax cuts did far worse than expected, or he was lying.
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I don't understand why Mulvaney doesn't get questioned about this more. He is (supposed to be) fiscally conservative. He (and others) defended the tax cuts by saying they would earn themselves back.

So either the tax cuts did far worse than expected, or he was lying.
I suspect the Administration knew exactly what would happen with the tax cuts. Trickle down to the middle class - not a chance. Stock buybacks to benefit rich shareholders - of course!

This is why he's got Mick Mulvaney occupying three different positions in Trump's administration. Trump gets his money's worth when Mick lies ...

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I suspect the Administration knew exactly what would happen with the tax cuts. Trickle down to the middle class - not a chance. Stock buybacks to benefit rich shareholders - of course!

This is why he's got Mick Mulvaney occupying three different positions in Trump's administration. Trump gets his money's worth when Mick lies ...
Are you forgetting all those 1-time bonuses we got? Hell I even got one. Those were life altering!

Im being sarcastic of course. It’s even worse than the failed “trickle down economics”. Yes some businesses including manufacturing expanded or added plants. Problem, it’s all going automation now. It’s not adding meaningful high paying jobs.

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