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Originally Posted by B5Erik View Post
Wow. So... just, wow.

Hypocrisy is so... hypocritical.
I'm just saying there is a big difference between making fun of people for who they ARE, vs how they ACT. If you can show me examples of people making fun of "poor middle class white people" simply because they are poor, middle class, and white, I would agree with you, that that is not cool. Whenever I see stuff like that though, it's poking fun of their behavior.

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Originally Posted by joeblow69 View Post
I'm just saying there is a big difference between making fun of people for who they ARE, vs how they ACT. If you can show me examples of people making fun of "poor middle class white people" simply because they are poor, middle class, and white, I would agree with you, that that is not cool. Whenever I see stuff like that though, it's poking fun of their behavior.
So their behavior isn't a result of their economic status, geography of where they were born and raised, and their upbrining?

People have total control of those things when they're children, right??

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So their behavior isn't a result of their economic status, geography of where they were born and raised, and their upbrining?

People have total control of those things when they're children, right??

They just gotta lift themselves up from their bootstraps! Seriously, though, you could justify ANY behavior with that ^^^ excuse. And besides, as adults, they can CHOOSE to better themselves if they want.
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It's not new, and it's not just the Left. Remember how threats and boycotts kept movie theaters from showing The Last Temptation of Christ? I do.
Fun story, I was 10 when that came out. It wasn’t just boycotts. There were petitions to the government to ban it. I remember, because I went door to door with my grandmother asking people to sign them. I grew up on the far right and have been on a steadily leftward trajectory for most of my adult life. I view people who think the left is worse than the right on being ‘pc’ as either ignorant or stupid. I’ve never seen the left clamor to have books, movies, music, tv shows, viewpoints, etc banned by the government. I’ve seen plenty of such examples on the right. The simple fact is that most times I’ve observed someone on the right bitching about ‘pc’ liberals, it’s because the issue at hand exposes that they’re racist or sexist or whatever and they get angry at being made to feel uncomfortable.
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They just gotta lift themselves up from their bootstraps! Seriously, though, you could justify ANY behavior with that ^^^ excuse. And besides, as adults, they can CHOOSE to better themselves if they want.
Can they? Can they, really??

A lot of them are trapped in their circumstances and just don't know anything else.

Personally, I find that making fun of anyone is unnecessary and cruel. I'm opposed to cruelty and mean spirited behavior, myself.

Making fun of behavior is one thing, making fun of individuals is another. Often, individuals just don't know better.
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Fun story, I was 10 when that came out. It wasn’t just boycotts. There were petitions to the government to ban it. I remember, because I went door to door with my grandmother asking people to sign them. I grew up on the far right and have been on a steadily leftward trajectory for most of my adult life. I view people who think the left is worse than the right on being ‘pc’ as either ignorant or stupid. I’ve never seen the left clamor to have books, movies, music, tv shows, viewpoints, etc banned by the government. I’ve seen plenty of such examples on the right. The simple fact is that most times I’ve observed someone on the right bitching about ‘pc’ liberals, it’s because the issue at hand exposes that they’re racist or sexist or whatever and they get angry at being made to feel uncomfortable.
The left has the courts on their side. The right has a few crackpot politicians who will get nowhere in banning anything.

Nothing that the religious right wants banned ever gets banned. Tons of stuff that the PC left wants banned gets banned. Songs disappear from playlists, movies get withdrawn from circulation. TV shows are permabanned. The success rate on the left is far greater than the success rate on the right.

You are correct in stating that the religious right attempts to ban tons of stuff - but they never succeed. They work themselves up into a frenzy, make a lot of noise, and then go away.
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On 1 hand I wish Kevin Hart had told the Academy to bugger off.

On the other the Academy was dumb as **ck for picking a stand up with Anti Gay Material,when for a lot of gay dudes the Oscar's is the Gay Superbowl. It would be like if the NFL Picked Hannah Gatsby or the Cast of RuPaul's Drag Race for the Superbowl Halftime Show
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Fun story, I was 10 when that came out. It wasn’t just boycotts.
Yeah, I went to see another movie in a theater that was also showing Last Temptation. Protesters were writing down the license plate numbers of anybody pulling into the parking garage. Not exactly sure what they intended to do with that information...
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Can they? Can they, really??

A lot of them are trapped in their circumstances and just don't know anything else.

Personally, I find that making fun of anyone is unnecessary and cruel. I'm opposed to cruelty and mean spirited behavior, myself.

Making fun of behavior is one thing, making fun of individuals is another. Often, individuals just don't know better.
Ok, I'm confused ... you are opposed to cruelty and mean spirited behavior, but you oppose the left's PC attempt to get people to stop using words that are cruel?
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The left has the courts on their side. The right has a few crackpot politicians who will get nowhere in banning anything.

Nothing that the religious right wants banned ever gets banned. Tons of stuff that the PC left wants banned gets banned. Songs disappear from playlists, movies get withdrawn from circulation. TV shows are permabanned. The success rate on the left is far greater than the success rate on the right.

You are correct in stating that the religious right attempts to ban tons of stuff - but they never succeed. They work themselves up into a frenzy, make a lot of noise, and then go away.


I think you need a little bit of a history lesson as things from alcohol to comic books to books to films to TV shows to toys have been banned over the past 100 years because of the right. On top of my head, the whole comic book industry had to change what they publish thanks to the conservative groups that followed Fredrick Wertham's Seduction of the Innocent book, which stated "the horrors of comic books and how they were corrupting our youth". As recently as 10 years ago, conservative groups were asking libraries and schools to ban Bone, one of the best comic book series ever that has been part of Scholastics for over 15 years, because one of the characters uses a cigar in several panels.

The extreme right wing group Parents Television Council has gone above and beyond trying to get TV shows like WWF/E Raw cancelled and lose their funding by targeting sponsors.

Jerry Falwell and his religious right wing groups went above and beyond to get pornography banned in may cities and states for obscenity.

2 Live Crew was banned for a while

I can go on and on and the reason why these bans were overturned besides the fact that they were stupid wasn't because the courts lean left. It was because the courts protect free speech for both sides. It's the same reason why the KKK and the Westboro Baptist Church can still roam around and promote their hate in this country even though these groups truly hurt people.
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I think you need a little bit of a history lesson as things from alcohol to comic books to books to films to TV shows to toys have been banned over the past 100 years because of the right. On top of my head, the whole comic book industry had to change what they publish thanks to the conservative groups that followed Fredrick Wertham's Seduction of the Innocent book, which stated "the horrors of comic books and how they were corrupting our youth". As recently as 10 years ago, conservative groups were asking libraries and schools to ban Bone, one of the best comic book series ever that has been part of Scholastics for over 15 years, because one of the characters uses a cigar in several panels.
You're making my point there - ASKING to have something removed, ATTEMPTING to have it banned, isn't the same thing as successfully having it removed or banned.

As for the comic books, yeah, 65 years ago there was a movement that created the Comics Code, but that went away over 30 years ago.

The extreme right wing group Parents Television Council has gone above and beyond trying to get TV shows like WWF/E Raw cancelled and lose their funding by targeting sponsors.
And how has that worked out? Last time I checked the WWE just signed a huge money deal for Smackdown...

Jerry Falwell and his religious right wing groups went above and beyond to get pornography banned in may cities and states for obscenity.
And, again, they did not succeed.

2 Live Crew was banned for a while
Not banned, per se, but, yeah - for about a year they had a hard time getting gigs IN SOME AREAS. Not everywhere, not even in a majority of places, but in some places they couldn't get gigs. For about a year.

I can go on and on and the reason why these bans were overturned besides the fact that they were stupid wasn't because the courts lean left. It was because the courts protect free speech for both sides. It's the same reason why the KKK and the Westboro Baptist Church can still roam around and promote their hate in this country even though these groups truly hurt people.
I never said the courts lean left. I said the Left has the courts on their side. Legally, they do.

And look at Canada and parts of Europe - free speech doesn't exist, so offensive speech is banned. That's the left in those countries leading the way, and the left here wants to do the same thing. Offensive speech based on ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation and hate speech will be banned Constitutionally if they get their way.

Personally, I'm opposed to banning any speech other than threats or calls for violence. Let the hateful, despicable people say what they want. Let everyone know who they are and what they REALLY stand for.
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I think you need a little bit of a history lesson
He does not care. This is the point. Facts don't matter.
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Are you talking about rednecks? Because being a redneck is absolutely 100% a choice. Being gay, black, gypsy, etc ... are not.
You sound like somebody who has never been poor. Poor is not a choice for millions of Americans.
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Ok, I'm confused ... you are opposed to cruelty and mean spirited behavior, but you oppose the left's PC attempt to get people to stop using words that are cruel?
You got it. I prefer the ugly, hateful people to be open about it rather than stealthily going about their hate in the shadows.

Let people know who they are and what they stand for.

But, on the other hand, don't make fun of people because of their economic status, upbringing, and where they live. Most of them genuinely don't know any better - they've learned from people they trust. It takes time - sometimes a lot of time - to get them past that to see how wrong some of what they believe is. Don't make fun of them just because they don't have an epiphany when the first liberal they meet tells them that they're wrong.
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What does being a redneck have to do with money? I live in Oklahoma, I have several family members who are well off financially that are complete trash.

As far as the crazies on the right go, does reading Harry Potter still induct children into witchcraft and worshiping Beelzebub?
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I think you need a little bit of a history lesson as things from alcohol to comic books to books to films to TV shows to toys have been banned over the past 100 years because of the right. On top of my head, the whole comic book industry had to change what they publish thanks to the conservative groups that followed Fredrick Wertham's Seduction of the Innocent book, which stated "the horrors of comic books and how they were corrupting our youth". As recently as 10 years ago, conservative groups were asking libraries and schools to ban Bone, one of the best comic book series ever that has been part of Scholastics for over 15 years, because one of the characters uses a cigar in several panels.

The extreme right wing group Parents Television Council has gone above and beyond trying to get TV shows like WWF/E Raw cancelled and lose their funding by targeting sponsors.

Jerry Falwell and his religious right wing groups went above and beyond to get pornography banned in may cities and states for obscenity.

2 Live Crew was banned for a while

I can go on and on and the reason why these bans were overturned besides the fact that they were stupid wasn't because the courts lean left. It was because the courts protect free speech for both sides. It's the same reason why the KKK and the Westboro Baptist Church can still roam around and promote their hate in this country even though these groups truly hurt people.
Liberal organizations and leaders have been just as "involved" with retail products, calling for boycotts and banning of toys...as well as restaurants, and even banning books from schools.

Don't try to make a case that the Right is the problem exclusively. It's not. It's also the Left who want to push their values on society as well.

Free Speech is preached by the Left but it only applies if you speak their language. Sure, it's the same for the Right, but don't try to throw an argument out there that Conservatives are after your speech and the Left are protecting it. Because that's a bunch of horse shit. The biggest problem in the US is BOTH parties and their extremist representatives are targeting society, and stir up controversy because they love to divide the people so their own support base won't go to the other...and you seem pretty confident in your party so I rest my case.
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As far as the crazies on the right go, does reading Harry Potter still induct children into witchcraft and worshiping Beelzebub?
Yes. There's a lot of witchcraft going on out there. How else do you explain Donald Trump's election and continued teflon with his base?

Why is he the real, "Teflon Don?" Witchcraft. (Although I think witches on the left are trying to use counterspells, because his overall popularity has dropped quite a bit...)
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You got it. I prefer the ugly, hateful people to be open about it rather than stealthily going about their hate in the shadows.
Yeah, but in a lot of cases, like someone mentioned here with gypsies, it's simply not knowing the history of the word. He didn't stop using it because he was afraid of PC backlash, he stopped using it simply because it was the right thing to do.

And the thing is, it really isn't a big deal to stop using a word. We have lots of words. bigly, descriptive words. It's easy to choose to use words that don't offend people.
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The notion of wanting people to be hateful out in the open is problematic.

1: It hurts others.
2: It implies acceptance of the behavior.

Education is the way to stop it.
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The notion of wanting people to be hateful out in the open is problematic.

1: It hurts others.
2: It implies acceptance of the behavior.

Education is the way to stop it.
It's not so much problematic as it is getting the desired effect both political parties and media corporations want.

Unfortunately, hate is also being spread via educational outlets. Teachers who are supposed to be neutral or at the least, presenting both sides of an argument, are inserting their bias, and only teaching what they think is proper. That's not teaching. That's just simple propaganda.
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Teachers who are supposed to be neutral or at the least, presenting both sides of an argument, are inserting their bias, and only teaching what they think is proper. That's not teaching.
This is the problem with things now, most things don’t have a second side. 2 + 2 = 4 and anyone on the other side of the other side of that is wrong. Evolution happened and anyone saying teachers should present Creationism as a valid argument is a fool. Teachers should teach facts, not crackpot arguments that have no basis in reality.
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So since Disney could make more money putting out Song of the South on DVD and Blu Ray, why haven't they?

Because they don't want the blowback (protests and boycotts) from PC leftists. And, I'm sorry - but the PC people ARE on the left. The cries of racism and sexism against old songs and movies come from people that are left of center.

If it weren't for the threat of protests and boycotts Disney would release this movie on home video.
Do you have any understand about the economics of media? Disney can’t make more money putting out SotS than not. The mastering and production costs would outweigh the few copies they would actually sell. Catalog movie releases sell badly and plenty of companies have lost money by trying.

Let’s test your other theory. Who was outraged because Frozen “promoted” homosexuality?
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This is the problem with things now, most things don’t have a second side. 2 + 2 = 4 and anyone on the other side of the other side of that is wrong. Evolution happened and anyone saying teachers should present Creationism as a valid argument is a fool. Teachers should teach facts, not crackpot arguments that have no basis in reality.
I remember when I was a kid, we had teachers who we knew slanted or favored a particular party...but they gave opposing arguments and even let us debate them and invited us to defend those opposing arguments, and got extra credit for it.

Today? Students get suspended for such a thing.
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Do you have any understand about the economics of media? Disney can’t make more money putting out SotS than not. The mastering and production costs would outweigh the few copies they would actually sell. Catalog movie releases sell badly and plenty of companies have lost money by trying.
I guarantee you that Disney would make 10 times as much on sales as the mastering and production would cost them. They might not sell as many copies as they would have 10 years ago, but these things still sell in big enough numbers to make a significant profit.

Let’s test your other theory. Who was outraged because Frozen “promoted” homosexuality?
No one that I saw. Of course, I don't give a rip what religious zealots say so there could have been some small protest that went nowhere and I would never have known about it.

I'm pretty sure there was never a protest or boycott that significantly impacted the sales of Frozen on DVD & Blu Ray.
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This is the problem with things now, most things don’t have a second side. 2 + 2 = 4 and anyone on the other side of the other side of that is wrong. Evolution happened and anyone saying teachers should present Creationism as a valid argument is a fool. Teachers should teach facts, not crackpot arguments that have no basis in reality.


I think a lot of this can be wrapped up by seeing that a majority of people are easily brainwashed idiots, that's how governments control us. But it's incredibly frustrating for those who don't blindly drink the kool-aid.
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