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Old 12-09-18, 04:17 AM
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So I wrote up a really long reply yesterday and then, for some dumb reason, when switching tabs to find something to include, I closed the tab I was working on.
That happens to me too. I make sure I copy the text after a significant amount of typing, before adding more stuff or posting, just in case something like that happens.

I watched the entirety of the Cuphead Outrage video. I'll discuss that and your above post a little later though, because I want to take my time to carefully respond.
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Is this movie no longer acceptable?
I've never seen it. I'm sure it's going to be "problematic" though.

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Yeah, because if you're being critical of a movie you're not ENJOYING it. Those things are polar opposites.
Agree and disagree.
If I'm finding a lot to critique while watching the movie, it's probably going to take me out of the story.
I loved Scarface when I was younger, but now I strongly dislike the movie and the effect it had, and how Universal exploited black and Latino communities for the anniversary DVD re-release.

Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom? I liked the movie as a kid. I read later how the film had ugly stereotypes of Indians and Indian culture. On top of all that, the British save the day in the end! Re-watching the film, yeah, I agree with most of the criticisms.
And yet, I still enjoy the film.

Why? Probably the main reason is because it doesn't hit close to home. I'm not Indian. If it doesn't affect you personally, you're less likely to take offense to it.
A lesser reason might be how Latinos are still stereotyped as drug dealers, and the effect it has on the community. Indians on the other hand seem to be portrayed positively in film and television these days.


Now, society? Yeah, I'll criticize society at that point (a lot of backward thinking), but the movies made then with negative stereotypes? It was just part of what was going on back then and as such is a reflection of those times.
One of my favorite films is the Mark of Zorro with Tyrone Power. I had no problem enjoying it, even thought the Mexicans are depicted as docile or dumb asses. In that case, yeah, I just chalk it up to "the way things were back then."
And maybe I cut it some slack also because I always considered Zorro to be a Mexican hero, since the first version that I saw, in 1998, he was supposed to be Mexican, the brother of real life bandit Joaquin Murrieta.

Either way, I was able to enjoy the 40s Zorro, but still observe that, hey, this is a story taking place in Mexico, but the main characters are all white Spaniards. The white Spaniards are diverse in personality, but the Mexicans are just in the background, and what we do see of them is pitiful.

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I can't imagine watching movies and getting caught up in past transgressions. What's the point of calling out a movie for politically incorrect characters or dialogue? Does anyone really expect a movie from 1941 to be politically correct?
Because it's easy.
It's more risky to strongly critique something that just came out and is extremely popular in the mainstream. You don't want to alienate or piss of your audience.


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One of my favorite movies of the 80s wouldn't be made today either and it was PG.
But so what?
Lots of modern movies wouldn't have been made back then either. No one was going to finance a Superman-budget for Black Panther, featuring a mostly all-black cast in 1985.

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Funny, though, how something like the old Superman cartoon, Japoteurs is OK to release, but Song of the South isn't.
Maybe it's because it's perceived as "safer."
Back when there was The Colbert Report, Colbert was mocking the Redskins owner by creating a charity called, "The Ching-Chong Ding-Dong Foundation for Sensitivity to Orientals or Whatever. But Colbert previously played a character called "Ching Chong Ding Dong" in 2005 with stereotypical Asian accent.
Why use racist Asian terms for either skit and not say, racist black terms? Why not do a stereotypical African-American character with a racist name?

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Can someone recap the thread? I’m lost. I can’t tell if I’m supposed to be outraged or not.

Best I can tell, the thread was started by someone being outraged at non-existent outrage. Is that about it?
Understandable considering the title change, this may help:

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Understandable considering the title change, this may help:

Here’s the original video. With millions of views.

Spoiler:



Here’s just one of the pieces written about this.

Also the red cup is from 2015, so...timely meme!
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I don't think Song of the South is racist or objectionable.

What is is, though, is a really fucking boring movie.

Seriously. It's terrible. Racist, no, but terrible.
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Also the red cup is from 2015, so...timely meme!
With the title change it seemed appropriate and now you are complaining too

Thanks!
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What? Disney decided all on their own that this was a title in their catalog that they no longer wanted to celebrate. This was DECADES before a "PC Left" even existed. But by all means let's make it a "left/right" argument. . Gotta blame someone...that's why you started the thread in the first place.

Carry on.
Yup.

It is quite literally impossible to have a reasonable discussion about these elements of media and art when certain people will specifically put all the blame on a completely nebulous, ill-defined group of boogeymen who are simultaneously somehow always outraged about everything. It's incredibly ironic coming from the same people, themselves, have expressed outrage over rather mundane things (I guess that happens when Twitter humor goes completely over ones head.)
Actually, using the same language that was used to defend patting strangers on the ass:

It's all about frame of reference. Someone over 50 just cannot understand Twitter humor because they were already over 40 when it launched. I grew up in the era right before it launched, and I had friends and co-workers of a younger age who have that modern sense of humor. I saw it up close and personal in a way that a 50 or 60 year old just couldn't.

I honestly don't believe that a 50 year old has the right to judge a 30 year old, or a bunch of randoms posting jokes about Rudolph on Twitter, because they have an archaic attitude towards humor as a whole.



Maybe these olds need to take a step back and realize that they can't dictate what the new generations find funny, today. It's like the folks who HATE the new Nancy cartoon because, get this, IT'S ACTUALLY FUNNY.

tl;dr - Sluggo is lit, and there ain't nothing you can do about it.
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Decades before the PC Left existed?

Maybe half a decade, if that (the movie was last shown theatrically or on TV in the U.S. in 1986). The PC Left really started in the 80's, and gained ground every decade since.
I hate to tell you this, but the morality police, the religious Right, exhirted a far greater influence on corporations in the 80s, 90s, and arguably still do even today. Disney would put out Song of the South if they thought there was money in it. I saw it in theaters as a kid and liked it, but I liked all animation, so that doesn’t say much about the actual quality. You have major blinders on if you think the primary goal of Disney is not to make as much money as possible.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin View Post
What? Disney decided all on their own that this was a title in their catalog that they no longer wanted to celebrate. This was DECADES before a "PC Left" even existed. But by all means let's make it a "left/right" argument. . Gotta blame someone...that's why you started the thread in the first place.

Carry on.
I guess one totally innacurate attempt at trolling the "PC left" wasn't enough, so why not double down with the ridiculousness.

And for what it's worth. the "PC left" has never existed. What happened is people started to speak up when they saw or heard something that wasn't right rather than succumbing to the previous paradigm of not speaking unless they were spoken to. As a result racial and sexual minorties gained equal rights. Eventually as minorities started gaining a voice movie and TV producers started depicting the diversity that was always there, but previously was supposed to go unseen and unheard.

But a huge segment of the population would not accept this lying down. They protested outside newly desegregated schools, did everything they could to keep interracial and gay marriage illegal, and currently march in the streets to make it clear that white power remains the norm in their area.

Anybody wanting to see this in action need only venture into some open forums discussing the movie or TV shows that include an accurate level of doiviersity, or *gasp*, actually make a mainroty the focus of the plot in a positive way. And of course, make it about something other than their outdated, and bigoted views they create new enemies like a "gay agenda", and eventually, the "PC left' in an attempt to turn anything the bigoted, straight, while males don't approve of into others just being too PC.

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In 2001, the "PC liberalists!" in New Mexico burned some books!

N.M. pastor leads flock in 'Potter' book burning
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...k-burning.html

Jack Brock, the Christ Community Church founder and pastor, said the books burned Sunday were "a masterpiece of satanic deception."

"These books teach children how they can get into witchcraft and become a witch, wizard or warlock," Brock said. Members sang "Amazing Grace" as they threw Potter books, plus some other books and magazines, into the fire.
How many actual "liberalist" groups took to book burning again? Hmm...

Cue the whataboutism: "taking songs off the radio or not releasing a movie on DVD is the same as book burning!!"
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I hate to tell you this, but the morality police, the religious Right, exhirted a far greater influence on corporations in the 80s, 90s, and arguably still do even today. Disney would put out Song of the South if they thought there was money in it. I saw it in theaters as a kid and liked it, but I liked all animation, so that doesn’t say much about the actual quality. You have major blinders on if you think the primary goal of Disney is not to make as much money as possible.
So since Disney could make more money putting out Song of the South on DVD and Blu Ray, why haven't they?

Because they don't want the blowback (protests and boycotts) from PC leftists. And, I'm sorry - but the PC people ARE on the left. The cries of racism and sexism against old songs and movies come from people that are left of center.

If it weren't for the threat of protests and boycotts Disney would release this movie on home video.
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tl;dr - Sluggo is lit, and there ain't nothing you can do about it.
I'm taking your love of Nancy to heart.

As far as 'PC Liberalism' is concerned, I'll say it again, most things I'm not so attached to as to be upset if someone opens my eyes to negative or hurtful connotations.

I did not learn that 'gyp' in terms of tricking someone in a transaction was offensive until later in life. It was real real dang easy for me to stop saying it after that point.

I don't think keeping what most seem to consider a bad film locked in the vaults is PC gone too far. If a radio station says 'in today's climate this song sounds sketchy' then I'll try to understand that (I do) and move on.

If you can't move on because something you say or like is hurtful to others, then ask why?
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I did not learn that 'gyp' in terms of tricking someone in a transaction was offensive until later in life. It was real real dang easy for me to stop saying it after that point.
How is it offensive? The meanings of terms change over time. Gay doesn't mean happy, anymore, for example (even if it is still used in Christmas carols that way).

I don't think keeping what most seem to consider a bad film locked in the vaults is PC gone too far. If a radio station says 'in today's climate this song sounds sketchy' then I'll try to understand that (I do) and move on.

If you can't move on because something you say or like is hurtful to others, then ask why?
If a movie or song is enjoyable and it isn't blatantly racist or offensive then why lock it away? Why are people on the left so deathly afraid that if people watch or listen to movies or songs that have marginally offensive parts that society will suddenly do a reset to 100 years ago? That's not going to happen, so what's the point?

My issue is the PC Left is trying to take away people's right to be offended. Removing everything that is offensive removes the right to be offended, and makes for a society filled with thin skinned people who can't cope with anything halfway mean spirited. Life is tough, life is hard, people can't succeed if they're soft and thin skinned.

God, Putin must think we're a bunch of chumps. No wonder he is manipulating the West the way he is.
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How is it offensive? The meanings of terms change over time. Gay doesn't mean happy, anymore, for example (even if it is still used in Christmas carols that way).


If a movie or song is enjoyable and it isn't blatantly racist or offensive then why lock it away? Why are people on the left so deathly afraid that if people watch or listen to movies or songs that have marginally offensive parts that society will suddenly do a reset to 100 years ago? That's not going to happen, so what's the point?

My issue is the PC Left is trying to take away people's right to be offended. Removing everything that is offensive removes the right to be offended, and makes for a society filled with thin skinned people who can't cope with anything halfway mean spirited. Life is tough, life is hard, people can't succeed if they're soft and thin skinned.

God, Putin must think we're a bunch of chumps. No wonder he is manipulating the West the way he is.
Gyp is short for Gypsy. People of that heritage (or so I've heard) don't like to have their culture noted for being rip-off artists. Point being, yeah, how many people call themselves Gypsies today? Don't know. Can I easily find a different word to use? Yes!

As for 'taking away the right to be offended' people will never stop finding ways to offend each other.

I don't think it's really a big deal if 'people' call others, or other 'things' out, for being offensive. One might say "deal with it."
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Yeah nobody on the right has actually called for a boycott on Starbucks over their cups. Certainly nobody of importance...

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Gyp is short for Gypsy. People of that heritage (or so I've heard) don't like to have their culture noted for being rip-off artists. Point being, yeah, how many people call themselves Gypsies today? Don't know. Can I easily find a different word to use? Yes!

As for 'taking away the right to be offended' people will never stop finding ways to offend each other.

I don't think it's really a big deal if 'people' call others, or other 'things' out, for being offensive. One might say "deal with it."
I'm offended by your response. I'm offended by the arrogance of people on the left. Does that mean the arrogance and condescension will stop??

Nope. So this is a one way street. Offensive statements are OK if the people being offended are in the majority or are right of center politically. All other offensive statements are not allowed. Sarcasm and satire, or a little too close to reality for some? Or maybe a little of both?
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I stopped saying "gyp" years ago when I found out the context of it. It's always been offensive.
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Yeah nobody on the right has actually called for a boycott on Starbucks over their cups. Certainly nobody of importance...

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I don't think Song of the South is racist or objectionable.

What is is, though, is a really fucking boring movie.

Seriously. It's terrible. Racist, no, but terrible.

Disney has to walk a line that most other companies don't have. Their core catalog will be seen by nearly all children, and has the power to influence their ideas before they are old enough to think critically.

I once talked to a study partner about Disney censorship of Fantasia. She was Black, and she thought it was a silly overreaction. But when I showed her the uncensored footage on the internet, she changed her mind. She was a mother, and she did not want her daughters to see ugly caricature Black girls serving beautiful white women.

I thought that was an unanswerable argument.

Song of the South isn't as flagrant, but it does feature a happy slave (or recently-freed happy slave) whose only purpose seems to be taking care of the white boy star. I can see why some people object to it, and I can see why Disney doesn't want to release the live-action portions of it.

As for Superman, he was fighting "Japs" in the 1940s, but is he fighting caricature brutal Russian gangsters or caricature fanatical Arab terrorists today? I honestly don't know. I suspect that he isn't.
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I'm offended by your response. I'm offended by the arrogance of people on the left. Does that mean the arrogance and condescension will stop??

Nope. So this is a one way street. Offensive statements are OK if the people being offended are in the majority or are right of center politically. All other offensive statements are not allowed. Sarcasm and satire, or a little too close to reality for some? Or maybe a little of both?
I’d apologize for offending you, but I don’t want to infringe on your rights!



I won’t comment on your conclusion, because I don’t think the types of offense we’re talking about fall under ‘sarcasm and satire’.
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I’d apologize for offending you, but I don’t want to infringe on your rights!

Thank you. Like Ren, I LOVE being angry! (Don't put that fucking Happy Helmet on my head!!!!)

I won’t comment on your conclusion, because I don’t think the types of offense we’re talking about fall under ‘sarcasm and satire’.
That's not quite what I meant. What I meant was to ask if my comment stating that, "Offensive statements are OK if the people being offended are in the majority or are right of center politically. All other offensive statements are not allowed," was satire and sarcasm, or a little too close to reality for some. My ultimate conclusion is that it's a little of both. Let's face it, no one on the left worries about offending people on the right, especially not white men who are right of center. They only worry about offending minorities (or, "Protected," groups) and people on the left.

I read all sorts of offensive stuff posted about lower middle class white people living in rural areas or suburbs. No one worries about offending them. No wonder they see Democrats (and the left in general) as a threat.
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How is it offensive? The meanings of terms change over time. Gay doesn't mean happy, anymore, for example (even if it is still used in Christmas carols that way).


If a movie or song is enjoyable and it isn't blatantly racist or offensive then why lock it away? Why are people on the left so deathly afraid that if people watch or listen to movies or songs that have marginally offensive parts that society will suddenly do a reset to 100 years ago? That's not going to happen, so what's the point?

My issue is the PC Left is trying to take away people's right to be offended. Removing everything that is offensive removes the right to be offended, and makes for a society filled with thin skinned people who can't cope with anything halfway mean spirited. Life is tough, life is hard, people can't succeed if they're soft and thin skinned.

God, Putin must think we're a bunch of chumps. No wonder he is manipulating the West the way he is.
It's not new, and it's not just the Left. Remember how threats and boycotts kept movie theaters from showing The Last Temptation of Christ? I do.
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Thank you. Like Ren, I LOVE being angry! (Don't put that fucking Happy Helmet on my head!!!!)


That's not quite what I meant. What I meant was to ask if my comment stating that, "Offensive statements are OK if the people being offended are in the majority or are right of center politically. All other offensive statements are not allowed," was satire and sarcasm, or a little too close to reality for some. My ultimate conclusion is that it's a little of both. Let's face it, no one on the left worries about offending people on the right, especially not white men who are right of center. They only worry about offending minorities (or, "Protected," groups) and people on the left.

I read all sorts of offensive stuff posted about lower middle class white people living in rural areas or suburbs. No one worries about offending them. No wonder they see Democrats (and the left in general) as a threat.
Well, here’s one lefty who doesn’t think it’s OK to offend people as long as they’re in the majority or on the right. Unless they’re being dicks, and even then I’m not going to register my feelings through epithets.
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I read all sorts of offensive stuff posted about lower middle class white people living in rural areas or suburbs. No one worries about offending them. No wonder they see Democrats (and the left in general) as a threat.
Are you talking about rednecks? Because being a redneck is absolutely 100% a choice. Being gay, black, gypsy, etc ... are not.
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Are you talking about rednecks? Because being a redneck is absolutely 100% a choice. Being gay, black, gypsy, etc ... are not.
Wow. So... just, wow.

Hypocrisy is so... hypocritical.
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