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Old 08-02-18, 02:25 AM
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Full title: Did the Obama Administration Approve the Transfer of Money to a Listed Terrorism Funder?

This incident happened in 2015, but didn't get reported until just a few days ago.

I wonder why "the most transparent administration in history" did not let us know about this when it happened.

Snopes points out that this was reported by Fox News and National Review a few days ago. I wonder why the New York Times and Washington Post haven't reported it.


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Did the Obama Administration Approve the Transfer of Money to a Listed Terrorism Funder?

An investigation into U.S. international aid practises in 2015 hit the headlines in July 2018.

Claim: The Obama administration approved the transfer of funding to the Islamic Relief Agency, a Sudan-based organization with ties to Al-Qaeda.

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What's true

In May 2015, the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control licensed World Vision International, a Christian NGO, to pay the $125,000 it owed to the Islamic Relief Agency. The same Treasury office had, a few months earlier, confirmed that the Islamic Relief Agency was on a Treasury list of suspected terrorist funders.

What's false

There is no evidence that President Obama himself had any role in the decision, and it's unclear whether the $125,000 involved in the transfer was "taxpayer money" or came from the resources of World Vision International itself.

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Origin

In July 2018, an investigation by the conservative Middle East Forum think tank hit the headlines, after it appeared to reveal that an office within the U.S. Treasury Department had in 2015 signed off on the transfer of $125,000 to the Islamic Relief Agency, a Sudan-based group listed as a funder of terrorism by the Treasury itself.

The 25 July Middle East Forum (MEF) report, which was accompanied by an article in the conservative National Review, reported:
The Middle East Forum has discovered that the Obama administration approved a grant of $200,000 of taxpayer money to an al-Qaeda affiliate in Sudan — a decade after the U.S. Treasury designated it as a terrorist-financing organization. More stunningly, government officials specifically authorized the release of at least $115,000 of this grant even after learning that it was a designated terror organization.
The report gave rise to coverage by the right-wing Daily Wire web site, which attributed the funding decision to former president Barack Obama personally in a headline reading “Obama Knowingly Funded Designated Al-Qaeda Affiliate,” as well as by Fox News, which reported:
The Obama administration approved a $200,000 grant to a group in Sudan with ties to Al Qaeda even though it had been designated a terrorist-financing organization by the U.S. years earlier, a conservative think tank revealed. Further, an agency official acknowledged the prior administration allowed taxpayer money to flow to the group even after its designation was discovered.
The facts and sequence of events presented by the MEF are broadly accurate and were largely confirmed to us by an official from the international charity World Vision, which acted in partnership with the Islamic Relief Agency (ISRA) in Sudan until 2015.

However, contrary to the Daily Wire’s headline, we found no evidence that former president Barack Obama himself had any role in either of the two funding decisions related to ISRA which are at the heart of the MEF’s report. Furthermore, we could not definitively determine whether the funding transferred to ISRA in May 2015 was U.S. “taxpayer money,” as claimed by the Middle East Forum and Fox News, or rather came from World Vision’s own resources.

Background

In 2004, the U.S. Treasury Department added the Islamic Relief Agency and several individuals associated with it to a list of organizations and individuals suspected of funding terrorism, blocking its assets and bank accounts in the United States and making it a criminal offense for anyone in the United States to support or conduct financial transactions with ISRA.

In announcing their decision, the Treasury Department cited evidence that ISRA (and its officials) had links to Osama bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and others within global Islamic terrorist networks.

Apart from its inclusion on the U.S. government’s list of terrorism funders, ISRA performed charitable works in parts of the Muslim world — including Sudan, where they partnered with the U.S.-based evangelical Christian non-profit organization World Vision, which in turn received funding and support from the U.S. government, largely through the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID).

Sequence of Events

In March 2014, USAID signed off on a $723,405 grant to World Vision, with ISRA designated to receive a $200,000 sub-grant from that amount. A World Vision official closely involved in the matter told us that, before listing ISRA as a sub-grantee, the organization had searched the Treasury’s “Sanctions List” for any group operating in Sudan with “Islamic Relief” in their name but turned up no matches, indicating ISRA was not blocked. A USAID official told us that the $200,000 set aside for ISRA was to go towards humanitarian aid to people displaced by the ongoing conflict in Sudan at that time.

In November 2014, according to the World Vision official with whom we spoke, the organization was alerted to the possibility that ISRA might be on the Treasury’s list of blocked groups and conveyed those concerns to the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), which is responsible for implementing and tracking economic sanctions.

The official told us that World Vision then voluntarily stopped working with ISRA while OFAC investigated ISRA’s status. This contradicted the account of a USAID official, who told us that USAID had instructed World Vision to put a hold on all their activities with ISRA.

The World Vision official broadly confirmed MEF’s claims, which were based on emails released under the Freedom of Information Act, that World Vision was eager for OFAC to quickly clarify the status of ISRA, telling us that the organization was frustrated by the delay in what should have been a straightforward verification of records.

In January 2015, OFAC finally confirmed that the Sudan-based Islamic Relief Agency to which USAID had granted $200,000 was indeed on the U.S. Treasury’s sanctions list. This meant World Vision (like any other U.S.-based entity or person) could not provide ISRA any support or engage in any financial transactions with that group.

However, World Vision still owed ISRA money for services ISRA had already provided in Sudan, on the basis of the $200,000 sub-grant awarded by USAID the previous March. But OFAC’s January 2015 ruling meant that ISRA could not be reimbursed for that work, so World Vision applied to OFAC for a license to meet those contractual obligations.

The World Vision official told us that the indefinite halt to their work with ISRA had put a severe strain on World Vision’s relationship with the Sudanese government. World Vision staff in Sudan had been experiencing harassment related to their debts to ISRA, the official said, and they felt they were at real risk of being kicked out of the country altogether — which would have spelled the end of their humanitarian work there. Paying their remaining debts to ISRA felt like the cost and condition of World Vision’s being allowed to continue working in Sudan, the official told us.

In the end, OFAC accepted World Vision’s application and granted them a license for a one-off transfer of $125,000 to ISRA, which a USAID official told us was for humanitarian assistance work that ISRA had already performed.

It’s unclear where that $125,000 came from, since in a statement posted to their web site, World Vision said that the $200,000 sub-grant that USAID had agreed to pay ISRA in March 2014 had expired:
In January 2015, OFAC responded that [ISRA] in Sudan “appears to be the same entity” as the one on OFAC’s blocked parties list. The sub-grant by then had expired, it was not renewed, and we discontinued any future collaboration with ISRA. At this time, OFAC authorised us to pay [ISRA] $125,000 for the humanitarian work that was verified to have already been completed under the grant.
This suggests that the May 2015 transfer came from World Vision’s own resources rather than “taxpayer money,” as the Middle East Forum and Fox News described it, but a World Vision spokesperson was unable to clarify this point for us.

Conclusion

The Middle East Forum is correct in their central claim that an office of the Treasury Department, which had confirmed ISRA was listed as a sanctioned entity, subsequently permitted a private NGO (World Vision) to transfer funds to ISRA.

Insofar as every office and agency of every federal government department between 2009 and 2016 was a part of the “Obama administration,” it can justifiably be said that this decision was made by the Obama administration. However, we saw no evidence that the decision was made by anyone beyond OFAC, least of all by President Obama himself.

We asked the Treasury Department which official directed the license to be given to World Vision for the May 2015 transfer, but an official told us OFAC does not discuss or comment on individual cases. We also contacted John Smith, who was OFAC’s director during the period outlined by the Middle East Forum, but did not receive a response in time for publication.

Furthermore, it’s unclear whether the $125,000 that World Vision transferred to ISRA was “taxpayer money,” as it was described by the Middle East Forum and Fox News. ISRA did humanitarian work in Sudan on the basis of the $200,000 sub-grant it was awarded by USAID via World Vision. But after OFAC’s investigation into ISRA’s status, and the subsequent confirmation that ISRA was on the sanctions list, that $200,000 sub-grant expired. So the $125,000 transfer by World Vision to ISRA in May 2015 was sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury department, but it may have come from World Vision’s own resources.
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What is the point of this post? You already include data that discredits the point you are trying to make. You are one weird critter Grundle.

Seriously, this is one odd clickbait post...do you not believe that President Obama was not personally involved in such a transaction (and a fairly small one at that), if that is the case I do not know what to tell you, but most rational thinking people will trust the data in the article you linked too that Obama was not trying to sneakily transfer funds to his terrorist friends in Sudan.
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Full title: Did the Obama Administration Approve the Transfer of Money to a Listed Terrorism Funder?

This incident happened in 2015, but didn't get reported until just a few days ago.

I wonder why "the most transparent administration in history" did not let us know about this when it happened.

Snopes points out that this was reported by Fox News and National Review a few days ago. I wonder why the New York Times and Washington Post haven't reported it.
Because apart from partisanship, it's not newsworthy. Did you read the whole Snopes run-down? OFAC did exactly what they should've done: they allowed a U.S.-based humanitarian organization to pay money owed to ISRA for collaborative humanitarian work that was previously-approved by the USAID, in order to protect the interests and safety of the American charitable organization.

Given the details of the situation, what do you think the Treasury Department should have done instead?
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I'd like to nominate this for the 2018 Worsties.
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I'd like to nominate this for the 2018 Worsties.
We totally need a contest like this, grundle would clean up!
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I am still waiting for an answer Grundle, just come out and say it if you think the results of the Snopes investigation that Obama was not involved is bogus.

It sounds like you put up this post because you are trying to convince yourself that what you believe is correct but hey maybe if you read the snopes link in its entirety again you will see something in there that makes you doubt Obama was involved, but probably not...I believe that you believe Obama micro-managed this transaction.

The real question is do you have the fortitude to step up and defend your beliefs by just saying yeah dvdtalkers, this Snopes conclusion is bogus in my opinion and Obama is a terrorist sypmathizer, it is a shame that others do not realize this fact...just man up and say it dude.

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Based on the title and original poster ... my answer is: no!
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With threads like these, the username lives up to the slang.
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Based on the title and original poster ... my answer is: no!
Well, I am still holding out hope...it seems odd that the creator of this thread would only post once, so I will let this act as a thread bump.

Grundle, this is your thread...I would think you would be happy to step-in and clarify why you created this thread.
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If you don't post a followup, grundle, I will flag it and report you to the mods.
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Well, I am still holding out hope...it seems odd that the creator of this thread would only post once, so I will let this act as a thread bump.

Grundle, this is your thread...I would think you would be happy to step-in and clarify why you created this thread.
In fairness to grundle, (seriously) he acknowledged that he suffers from some physiological issue that affects how his brain functions. Once that was revealed, I stopped responding to him because I didn't want to add to the burden he already carries.
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If you don't post a followup, grundle, I will flag it and report you to the mods.
Nah....no need to be so harsh, Grundle if you are reading this creating a thread like this is the equivalent of a nasty thread crap placed into a long running thread, it is frowned upon but these things happen.

No one is forcing you (at least I am not) to reply so technically I an spitting into the wind but I have to assume that you created a thread like this to try and point out that hmmm...maybe this is something that should be of concern/looked into, investigated by Congress because it would behoove the administration to get to the bottom of this and American citizens have the right to know if their ex-president was supporting terrorists behind their back, etc..

So I did what you want me to do and read the entirety of your post and in my opinion I agree with the conclusion of the data in your post that no, this is not a case of an ex-president supporting terrorism that should be investigated by Trey Gowdy and Devin Nunes. Perhaps you disagree and I would be genuinely curious to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Although, someone did make a good point when they asked you if you had actually read the entirety of your own post (I would assume yes, but one never knows).

I have already spent way too much time replying to a ghost (you ghosted your own thread bro) but I will say that this thread is an example of why many dvdtalkers do not feel you are trying to engage with them in good faith, not, I repeat, not because you are a conservative.

I believe the Dangers, Zod, and a few others (including Creek, who tends not to ghost threads he/she created, seriously, what you are doing is childish Grundle, be an adult and defend the point you trying to make) lean conservative and seem to thrive (granted some more than others) on this site.

Again, for the third time you are not being treated like a pariah because you are a conservative (or libertarian if you want to call yourself that, picture me rolling my eyes if you do) but because you are being a child and posts like this play right into the saying of how it is better to have people think you are a fool instead of opening your mouth (this post of yours is a substitute for opening your mouth) and proving them right.

I am more of an optimist/glass half full person so I like to think you are better than this.

Please try to be better.


And on that note, I am out having exhausted the point I am trying to make.
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What is the point of this post? You already include data that discredits the point you are trying to make. You are one weird critter Grundle.

Seriously, this is one odd clickbait post...do you not believe that President Obama was not personally involved in such a transaction (and a fairly small one at that), if that is the case I do not know what to tell you, but most rational thinking people will trust the data in the article you linked too that Obama was not trying to sneakily transfer funds to his terrorist friends in Sudan.

It says "the Obama Administration." It does not say that Obama himself was personally involved.

And the snopes rating is "mostly true."
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Because apart from partisanship, it's not newsworthy. Did you read the whole Snopes run-down? OFAC did exactly what they should've done: they allowed a U.S.-based humanitarian organization to pay money owed to ISRA for collaborative humanitarian work that was previously-approved by the USAID, in order to protect the interests and safety of the American charitable organization.

Given the details of the situation, what do you think the Treasury Department should have done instead?

No, I did not read all of it.

But I did read the part that says "mostly true."
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No, I did not read all of it.

But I did read the part that says "mostly true."
Hey. Read all of the articles you post. The rest of us have to. Thanks.

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With threads like these, the username lives up to the slang.
My username is the name of the green dragon from the video game Adventure on the Atari 2600.

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Adventure (Atari 2600)

Adventure is a video game for the Atari 2600 video game console, released in late 1979–1980.

... the kingdom is guarded by three dragons: Yorgle (yellow dragon), Grundle (green dragon), and Rhindle (red dragon who moves much faster than the other two), that protect various items in the game and will try to chase and eat the player's avatar.



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Originally Posted by Inhumans99 View Post
Well, I am still holding out hope...it seems odd that the creator of this thread would only post once, so I will let this act as a thread bump.

Grundle, this is your thread...I would think you would be happy to step-in and clarify why you created this thread.

Thank you for pointing out that I would probably come back.

And to anyone who thought I had abandoned a thread which I myself had just started: no. I don't do that. But I also cannot be here constantly and continuously. I have other things in my life.

I created this thread because I thought it was worth talking about. In my opinion, giving money to terrorist related organizations is a bad idea.


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If you don't post a followup, grundle, I will flag it and report you to the mods.

Should there be a time period when I can work, eat, and go to the bathroom, without having to be on call here?

Take a look at my other threads. I always come back to respond after I started the thread. But I'm never here 24/7. I have other things to do in my life.


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In fairness to grundle, (seriously) he acknowledged that he suffers from some physiological issue that affects how his brain functions. Once that was revealed, I stopped responding to him because I didn't want to add to the burden he already carries.

I have been diagnosed with Asperger's and OCD.

I have never used either one of those things as an excuse for my behavior here at DVD Talk.

I do not want you or anyone else here to treat me any differently due to me having these conditions.


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Nah....no need to be so harsh, Grundle if you are reading this creating a thread like this is the equivalent of a nasty thread crap placed into a long running thread, it is frowned upon but these things happen.

No one is forcing you (at least I am not) to reply so technically I an spitting into the wind but I have to assume that you created a thread like this to try and point out that hmmm...maybe this is something that should be of concern/looked into, investigated by Congress because it would behoove the administration to get to the bottom of this and American citizens have the right to know if their ex-president was supporting terrorists behind their back, etc..

So I did what you want me to do and read the entirety of your post and in my opinion I agree with the conclusion of the data in your post that no, this is not a case of an ex-president supporting terrorism that should be investigated by Trey Gowdy and Devin Nunes. Perhaps you disagree and I would be genuinely curious to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Although, someone did make a good point when they asked you if you had actually read the entirety of your own post (I would assume yes, but one never knows).

I have already spent way too much time replying to a ghost (you ghosted your own thread bro) but I will say that this thread is an example of why many dvdtalkers do not feel you are trying to engage with them in good faith, not, I repeat, not because you are a conservative.

I believe the Dangers, Zod, and a few others (including Creek, who tends not to ghost threads he/she created, seriously, what you are doing is childish Grundle, be an adult and defend the point you trying to make) lean conservative and seem to thrive (granted some more than others) on this site.

Again, for the third time you are not being treated like a pariah because you are a conservative (or libertarian if you want to call yourself that, picture me rolling my eyes if you do) but because you are being a child and posts like this play right into the saying of how it is better to have people think you are a fool instead of opening your mouth (this post of yours is a substitute for opening your mouth) and proving them right.

I am more of an optimist/glass half full person so I like to think you are better than this.

Please try to be better.


And on that note, I am out having exhausted the point I am trying to make.

I support legalization of medical and recreational marijuana, gay marriage, abortion, and prostitution for consenting adults.

I think we should bring all the troops home from everywhere, including the 5,000 that we still had in Iraq in 2016.

I'm against all corporate welfare, including the $700 billion corporate welfare TARP Wall St. bailout.

I'm against the federal "faith based programs" that were started by Bush and continued by both Obama and Trump.

I'm against the unwarranted wiretapping that has been going on at least since Bush was in office.

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Re: Did the Obama Administration Approve the Transfer of Money to a Listed Terroris..

OP's thread title says Listed Terrorism Funder.
Snopes says: list of suspected terrorist funders. It also says the money was owed.

I wonder why the New York Times and Washington Post haven't reported it.
No you don't.
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I am still waiting for an answer Grundle, just come out and say it if you think the results of the Snopes investigation that Obama was not involved is bogus.

It sounds like you put up this post because you are trying to convince yourself that what you believe is correct but hey maybe if you read the snopes link in its entirety again you will see something in there that makes you doubt Obama was involved, but probably not...I believe that you believe Obama micro-managed this transaction.

The real question is do you have the fortitude to step up and defend your beliefs by just saying yeah dvdtalkers, this Snopes conclusion is bogus in my opinion and Obama is a terrorist sypmathizer, it is a shame that others do not realize this fact...just man up and say it dude.

You know you want too.


In 2010, Obama supported releasing Abdel Baset al-Megrahi from prison.

Known as the “Lockerbie bomber,” Megrahi had been convicted of murdering 270 people.

So yes, based on this, I would say that Obama is indeed a terrorist sympathizer.
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No, I did not read all of it.

But I did read the part that says "mostly true."
I think it's fair to ask you to read the article you posted and answer the question I asked if you truly think this was worth talking about:
Given the details of the situation, what do you think the Treasury Department should have done instead?
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OP's thread title says Listed Terrorism Funder.
Snopes says: list of suspected terrorist funders. It also says the money was owed.


No you don't.

I used copy and paste to get the title from snopes.

This is the snopes title:

"Did the Obama Administration Approve the Transfer of Money to a Listed Terrorism Funder?"

The word "suspected" does not appear in the snopes title.
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I think it's fair to ask you to read the article you posted and answer the question I asked if you truly think this was worth talking about:
Given the details of the situation, what do you think the Treasury Department should have done instead?

I read the entire article.

It says:

"In January 2015, OFAC finally confirmed that the Sudan-based Islamic Relief Agency to which USAID had granted $200,000 was indeed on the U.S. Treasury’s sanctions list. This meant World Vision (like any other U.S.-based entity or person) could not provide ISRA any support or engage in any financial transactions with that group."

I think the government should have obeyed ts own sanctions.
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I read the entire article.

It says:

"In January 2015, OFAC finally confirmed that the Sudan-based Islamic Relief Agency to which USAID had granted $200,000 was indeed on the U.S. Treasury’s sanctions list. This meant World Vision (like any other U.S.-based entity or person) could not provide ISRA any support or engage in any financial transactions with that group."

I think the government should have obeyed ts own sanctions.
You're going to have to be more specific. You believe OFAC should have disallowed the payment that was approved by the USAID, thus putting a U.S. humanitarian organization in significant peril having an unpaid debt to ISRA, all because the government was too bureaucratic to reject the grant in the first place? Or you believe the USAID (which is not part of the treasury department) should have rejected the grant originally? Depending on which it is, how does Obama or his administration fit into the picture?

It sounds to me like the government did obey its own sanctions, once it cut through its own red tape. World Vision had to dissolve its relationship with ISRA once it was clear ISRA was on a sanctioned list, but the debt had to be paid to resolve the government-approved grant.
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You're going to have to be more specific. You believe OFAC should have disallowed the payment that was approved by the USAID, thus putting a U.S. humanitarian organization in significant peril having an unpaid debt to ISRA, all because the government was too bureaucratic to reject the grant in the first place? Or you believe the USAID (which is not part of the treasury department) should have rejected the grant originally? Depending on which it is, how does Obama or his administration fit into the picture?

It sounds to me like the government did obey its own sanctions, once it cut through its own red tape. World Vision had to dissolve its relationship with ISRA once it was clear ISRA was on a sanctioned list, but the debt had to be paid to resolve the government-approved grant.

When the rules contradict each other, I suppose an argument can be made for either side.
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