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London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

Knife attacks have been increasing across London and Mayor Saddiq Khan has the answer - Knife Control!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law. <a href="https://t.co/XILUvIFLOW">https://t.co/XILUvIFLOW</a></p>&mdash; Mayor of London (@MayorofLondon) <a href="https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/982906526334668800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
The London murder rate has passsed New York in the last two months and now there is a ban on home deliveries of knives in government crackdown after surge in London stabbings.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

I wish we were at a point in the US where we only had to worry about knives.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

damn, NYC is doing pretty good these days.

<table class="multicol" role="presentation" style="&quot;border-collapse:"> <tr> <td style="width: 22%;text-align: left; vertical-align: top;"> <table class="wikitable"> <tr> <th>Year</th> <th>Murders</th> </tr> <tr> <td>1928</td> <td style="background: #ffdddd; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2">404<sup id="cite_ref-one_199-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-one-199">[note 1]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1929</td> <td align="center">425</td> </tr> <tr> <td>1930</td> <td align="center">494</td> </tr> <tr> <td>1931</td> <td align="center">588</td> </tr> <tr> <td>1932</td> <td align="center">579</td> </tr> <tr> <td>1933</td> <td align="center">541</td> </tr> <tr> <td>1934</td> <td align="center">458</td> </tr> <tr> <td>1935</td> <td data-sort-value="" style="background: #ececec; color: #2C2C2C; vertical-align: middle; font-size: smaller; text-align: center;" class="table-na">N/A</td> </tr> <tr> <td>1936</td> <td align="center">510</td> </tr> <tr> <td>1937–1959</td> <td data-sort-value="" style="background: #ececec; color: #2C2C2C; vertical-align: middle; font-size: smaller; text-align: center;" class="table-na">N/A</td> </tr> <tr> <td>1960</td> <td align="center">482</td> </tr> <tr> <td>1961</td> <td align="center">483</td> </tr> <tr> <td>1962</td> <td align="center">631</td> </tr> <tr> <td>1963</td> <td align="center">548<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1964</td> <td align="center">636<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1965</td> <td align="center">634<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1966</td> <td align="center">654<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1967</td> <td align="center">746<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1968</td> <td align="center">986<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1969</td> <td align="center">1043<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1970</td> <td align="center">1117<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1971</td> <td align="center">1466<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1972</td> <td align="center">1691<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> </table> </td> <td style="width: 22%;text-align: left; vertical-align: top;"> <table class="wikitable"> <tr> <th>Year</th> <th>Murders</th> </tr> <tr> <td>1973</td> <td align="center">1680<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1974</td> <td align="center">1554<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-11" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1975</td> <td align="center">1645<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-12" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1976</td> <td align="center">1622<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-13" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1977</td> <td align="center">1557<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-14" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1978</td> <td align="center">1504<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-15" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1979</td> <td align="center">1733<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-16" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1980</td> <td align="center">1814<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-17" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1981</td> <td align="center">1826<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-18" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1982</td> <td align="center">1668<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-19" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1983</td> <td align="center">1622<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-20" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1984</td> <td align="center">1450<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-21" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1985</td> <td align="center">1384<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-22" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1986</td> <td align="center">1582<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-23" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1987</td> <td align="center">1672<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-24" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1988</td> <td align="center">1896<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-25" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1989</td> <td align="center">1905<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-26" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1990</td> <td style="background: #ffdddd; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2">2245<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-27" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-two_201-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-two-201">[note 2]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1991</td> <td align="center">2154<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-28" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1992</td> <td align="center">1995<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-29" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1993</td> <td align="center">1946<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-30" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1994</td> <td align="center">1561<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-31" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1995</td> <td align="center">1177<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-32" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> </table> </td> <td style="width: 22%;text-align: left; vertical-align: top;"> <table class="wikitable"> <tr> <th>Year</th> <th>Murders</th> </tr> <tr> <td>1996</td> <td align="center">983<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-33" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1997</td> <td align="center">770<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-34" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1998</td> <td align="center">633<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-35" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>1999</td> <td align="center">671<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-36" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2000</td> <td align="center">673<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-37" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2001</td> <td style="background: #ffdddd; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-no2">649<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-38" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-three_202-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-three-202">[note 3]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2002</td> <td align="center">587<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-39" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2003</td> <td align="center">597<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-40" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2004</td> <td align="center">570<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-41" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2005</td> <td align="center">539<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-42" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2006</td> <td align="center">596<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-43" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2007</td> <td align="center">494<sup id="cite_ref-NYC_murder_200-44" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-NYC_murder-200">[199]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2008</td> <td align="center">522</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2009</td> <td align="center">471<sup id="cite_ref-203" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-203">[200]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2010</td> <td align="center">534<sup id="cite_ref-204" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-204">[201]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2011</td> <td align="center">515<sup id="cite_ref-205" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-205">[202]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2012</td> <td align="center">414</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2013</td> <td align="center">332</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2014</td> <td align="center">328</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2015</td> <td align="center">352<sup id="cite_ref-206" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-206">[203]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2016</td> <td align="center">335<sup id="cite_ref-207" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-207">[204]</a></sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>2017</td> <td align="center">290<sup id="cite_ref-208" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-208">[205]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-four_209-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-four-209">[note 4]</a></sup></td> </tr> </table></table>

In Feb and March combined, 37 people were killed in London vs 35 in NYC.

That's pretty impressive for cities with 8m+, we had 133 murders here last year and our population is less than an eight of theirs.

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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

Originally Posted by Supermallet View Post
I wish we were at a point in the US where we only had to worry about knives.
Funny thing is that in some states there are stricter laws for switchblades than there are for firearms.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

Originally Posted by Supermallet View Post
I wish we were at a point in the US where we only had to worry about knives.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

Easy solution, give everyone guns to fend off the knife attackers. Duh...
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

Another thread in the forum spoke of Chicago's halt to "stop and frisk".

It is interesting that Mayor Khan was responsible for decreasing the number of stop-searches saying the tactic was racist, has now approved patrols with extra stop and search powers.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

there is never a reason to carry a knife.
Apparently this guy has never worked any blue-collar occupation nor spent any time outdoors.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

How about a gun...that shoots knives...everyone wins!
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

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How about a gun...that shoots knives...everyone wins!
How would you like to chair my new organization—the NKGA (National Knife-Gun Association)?

We’re just a small little lobbying group representing the interest of knife-gun enthusiasts.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

Jack the Ripper is vehemently disagreeing with the thread title.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

Now they'll spray acid; once they crack down on that as well, they'll just come up with something worse.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

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How would you like to chair my new organization—the NKGA (National Knife-Gun Association)?

We’re just a small little lobbying group representing the interest of knife-gun enthusiasts.
Dude...if mispronounced that sounds a little bit too much like that word if you feel me. To answer the question, no I am not a member of the NRA nor would I like to be a member of this knife-gun organization.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

Acid attacks are fuckin' Evil. I'd rather deal with a knife coming at me.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

FWIW, this only applies to fixed knives, lock blade knives or folding knives with a blade in excess of 3 inches, and then only when those knives are not being carried for an otherwise lawful purpose. You can still walk around London with your Swiss Army knife, etc. The only real difference between London's laws and the laws in even the more restrictive U.S. states is the lock blade distinction, which honestly does make sense in a city with such a knife violence problem.
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The ban on folding knives with lockable blades is rather ridiculous. Guess UK lawmakers want folks who actually use knives to slice their hands.
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The ban on folding knives with lockable blades is rather ridiculous. Guess UK lawmakers want folks who actually use knives to slice their hands.
Please tell me for what purpose a typical urban dweller might carry a folding knife that would cause them to have it fold closed on their hand (not counting the person just being a moron and holding the knife incorrectly). I'm genuinely curious.
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Having a locking blade on a folder is definitely more of a safety feature vs. an offensive improvement. While more idiot proofing than anything, I could see instances where a blade, if used incorrectly, could fold back simply cutting through cardboard. Furthermore, the UK's knife laws are countrywide and affect rural people vs. urban dwellers. So someone using such a knife while camping would have no more legal grounds for carrying such a knife than some bloke in the city.

Even this basic Husky utility knife has a lock on it.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

Originally Posted by funkyryno View Post
The ban on folding knives with lockable blades is rather ridiculous. Guess UK lawmakers want folks who actually use knives to slice their hands.
I'm thinking they want to reduce the number of attacks on people.
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I'm thinking they want to reduce the number of attacks on people.

I'm thinking the lawmakers just wanted to get re-elected, and simply passed another law in an attempt to "do something."

Removing a safety feature from a tool isn't going to prevent any attacks.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

Originally Posted by funkyryno View Post
Having a locking blade on a folder is definitely more of a safety feature vs. an offensive improvement.
It is both. Used properly and with a modicum of care, a folding knife will not fold back on you. Opening boxes, whittling, cutting fruit, sharpening a contractor pencil, and so on. No risk unless you are doing it wrong. Where it becomes risky is with forceful movements, such as, you know, stabbing. This is why they are prohibited by law over there.

So someone using such a knife while camping would have no more legal grounds for carrying such a knife than some bloke in the city.
Carrying an otherwise prohibited knife (appropriate to the purpose, of course) while hunting or fishing, and while traveling to or from hunting or fishing, is one of the "good reasons" for which this sort of carry is allowed. Presumably camping is ok as well, but I really don't know.
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Originally Posted by jfoobar View Post
It is both. Used properly and with a modicum of care, a folding knife will not fold back on you. Opening boxes, whittling, cutting fruit, sharpening a contractor pencil, and so on. No risk unless you are doing it wrong. Where it becomes risky is with forceful movements, such as, you know, stabbing. This is why they are prohibited by law over there.



Carrying an otherwise prohibited knife (appropriate to the purpose, of course) while hunting or fishing, and while traveling to or from hunting or fishing, is one of the "good reasons" for which this sort of carry is allowed. Presumably camping is ok as well, but I really don't know.
True, but I imagine you could stab someone just as dead with a lockless knife as a blade without. Sure, it'd be a little riskier to an atacker's hands, but the poking would still have happened.

And a huge problem with these laws are that the "good reasons" aren't clearly codified into the law and are up to an officer's/prosecutor's discretion and/or racial biases.

But what do I know, maybe the Brits are quite happy with these laws.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

I cut my hand with a non-locking knife when I was a teenager. Rather than learning better technique, I went with a engineering solution. I have carried a locking-blade knife ever since. Now I carry a Kershaw. It's under 3 inches, and it's a useful tool.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

I cut my thumb with a butter knife while prying juice cubes out of a ice cube tray. Now I just use a gun and blast the cubes out to be on the safe side.
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Re: London - No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife.

Register those cutlery knives now, people.

It will keep you safer.

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