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Old 04-03-18, 02:06 PM
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Swedish government pays for three homes for one polygamous family

This polygamous marriage consists of four adults.

After people criticized the Swedish government for paying for three homes for this one family, the government tried to "deny" this by saying that it actually did indeed happen. They denied the accusation, but then said they really did pay for the three homes. This has got to be the worst "denial" of an accusation that I have ever heard.

I think the government should provide this family with one home, not three.

What do you think?


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https://www.thelocal.se/20170919/did...ee-wives-nacka

Did a Swedish council buy apartments for a man and his three wives?


September 19, 2017

A Swedish municipality has hit back after it was criticized for offering a man and his three wives housing in apartments bought for more than 13.9 million kronor ($1.75 million) in total.

Nacka municipality hit back at claims spread by the local branch of the anti-immigration Sweden Democrat party that it had bought three bostadsrätter (a type of private housing cooperative which is a common form of home ownership in Sweden) in Saltsjöbaden for the man and his three wives.

"Nacka municipality has not purchased housing for any individual. The municipal's purchase of bostadsrätter is part of the work of arranging housing for new arrivals with a residence permit," it wrote in response to questions raised over the rumours.


"In 2017 Nacka municipality is to receive 370 new arrivals assigned by the Migration Agency."

The Local, as well as several Swedish media including Metro and Swedish radio, has taken a closer look at the claims. This is what we found.

Nacka municipality, south of Stockholm, has bought 94 bostadsrätter worth around 305 million kronor since January last year, according to the local authority and to publicly available documents. The majority of these apartments, but not all of them according to the council, are rented out to newly arrived immigrants.

One of these has been allocated to a 57-year-old man, his wife and their children.

Another two apartments have been allocated to two other women, who are also registered in official Swedish records as both married to the same 57-year-old man, and their children. The women are all in their 40s.

Polygamy is normally illegal in Sweden, but such marriages are considered valid if the couples married in a country where it is allowed, if they married voluntarily and had no links to Sweden at the time.

The three apartments in question were bought by the local authority for 5.45 million, 5.2 million and 3.3 million kronor, according to public documents by Nacka's city development committee, seen by The Local.

According to the most recent figures by real estate statistics company Svensk Mäklarstatistik, the national average price for a bostadsrätt is 40,687 kronor per square metre, compared to 54,341 kronor in Nacka.

"The municipality does not purchase apartments over the market rate and not in the most expensive areas," said Nacka municipality on their website.

The Local has seen the addresses and the apartments are located in seaside town Saltsjöbaden, but on the outskirts and not in one of the most expensive areas.

Nacka municipality defended the purchase of the 94 bostadsrätter (some of which according to the council are also used to house other residents who need a temporary apartment through the social services) as part of their obligation to ensure accommodation is provided for new arrivals.

According to a new law which came into effect on March 2016 to handle the previous year's record influx of around 163,000 asylum seekers to Sweden, municipalities are obligated to take in and find housing for refugees assigned to them by the Migration Agency, in an effort to share the accommodation load.

"I am as frustrated as everyone else. We're doing it because we have to," wrote Nacka's mayor Mats Gerdau, a member of the conservative Moderate Party, on Facebook, arguing against the law but defending the purchase of bostadsrätter.

"Some say we should ignore the law. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think you should obey existing laws."

Many new arrivals find their own apartment, often staying with friends or relatives. But those who can't get assigned to a municipality where they move once they have their residence permit. The municipality is then to find them a home for two years, after which they are to move out and find their own accommodation.

"I want to emphasize that no one GETS an apartment. The municipality provides a first home for a maximum of two years," wrote Gerdau.

"Of course you pay rent. And it is often crowded and you have to share an apartment."

"Everyone should realize that this law is not particularly good, other than possibly for the state which can empty its refugee centres and pass the responsibilty and costs to the muncipalities, who are forced into short-term and expensive solutions," he continued.

According to Svenska Dagbladet, in May this year a total of 52 of Sweden's 290 municipalities had bought bostadsrätter to sublet to new arrivals. Others have used council-owned first-hand rentals (hyresrätter), set up temporary buildings or been helped by private landlords. Nacka has also used some of these options.

All the information above can be found in official records, publicly available. Read more about Sweden's laws on freedom of information and public documents here.
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Re: Swedish government pays for three homes for one polygamous family

What is it exactly you are upset about here? polygamy? Or the government housing refugees? Do you think that its entirely possible that these government provided apartments aren't big enough for a man, his first wife, their children, his second wife, their children, and his third wife, and THEIR children?

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"I want to emphasize that no one GETS an apartment. The municipality provides a first home for a maximum of two years," wrote Gerdau.

"Of course you pay rent. And it is often crowded and you have to share an apartment."
ALSO, I'm no polygamy expert, but I don't think that it's abnormal for these types of families to live in separate housing. I can't imagine a man living in the same house as his 3 wives and all their children. That sounds like a recipe for suicide.

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I think grundle spends his days looking for things that can upset him in the news.
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I think grundle spends his days looking for things that can upset him in the news.
Then there are those who spend days reading grundle's posts so that they can be upset by them, so it all works out to create a balanced universe.
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Re: Swedish government pays for three homes for one polygamous family

If a government is going to provide housing to wives and children anyway, what difference does it make if they are single, each has a husband, or all have one husband. It's still three apartments.

At least they saved money. It could have been four apartments (one for the man and one each for the women).
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I hope that each of the homes comes with a small lawn.
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I hope that each of the homes comes with a small lawn.
And that each is required to maintain grass on the lawn under penalty of fine and/or imprisonment for failure to do so.
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It's a disgrace that our tax dollars are paying for thi...oh wait.
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I think grundle spends his days looking for things that can upset him in the news.
Pretty much how I picture him too.
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It's a disgrace that our tax dollars are paying for thi...oh wait.
Yeah, if only the forum was titled "Religion, Politics and World Events They make great dinner conversation, don't you think?"
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Yeah, if only the forum was titled "Religion, Politics and World Events They make great dinner conversation, don't you think?"
Sorry, didn't know I wasn't allowed to make wisecracks in serious threads.
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Then there are those who spend days reading grundle's posts so that they can be upset by them, so it all works out to create a balanced universe.
And those who spend days reading the original posts, the rebuttals and then jumps in as a self-proclaimed defender. It really does all balance out.
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Sorry, didn't know I wasn't allowed to make wisecracks in serious threads.
The wisecrack was funny; the subsequent personal slam on grundle not so much.
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And those who spend days reading the original posts, the rebuttals and then jumps in as a self-proclaimed defender. It really does all balance out.
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Hey, any time you want to jump in and defend other members from personal attacks, please do so...when you're not making personal attacks yourself, that is.

I'm crushed that you don't appear to appreciate my defense of you recently associated with your anti-smoking sentiments which were setting you up for being attacked by the Fascist Hunter.
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What is it exactly you are upset about here? polygamy? Or the government housing refugees? Do you think that its entirely possible that these government provided apartments aren't big enough for a man, his first wife, their children, his second wife, their children, and his third wife, and THEIR children?

And in case you missed:


ALSO, I'm no polygamy expert, but I don't think that it's abnormal for these types of families to live in separate housing. I can't imagine a man living in the same house as his 3 wives and all their children. That sounds like a recipe for suicide.
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If a government is going to provide housing to wives and children anyway, what difference does it make if they are single, each has a husband, or all have one husband. It's still three apartments.

At least they saved money. It could have been four apartments (one for the man and one each for the women).

I think it should be one government funded home per family.

Giving three government funded homes to one family is not fair to taxpayers or to the other families who only get one government funded home.
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I think it should be one government funded home per family.

Giving three government funded homes to one family is not fair to taxpayers or to the other families who only get one government funded home.
How big do you think these government provided apartments are? How many wives and children does one have to have in their polyamorous family to warrant additional apartments?

By my count, according to the article, the extended family is at LEAST 8 people already. (maybe more, depending on how many children he has had with the other wives.) I suppose a couple of the kids could sleep in the bathtub (assuming there IS one!)
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On a side note, was I the only one who didn't know what a grundle was?

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On a side note, was I the only one who didn't know what a grundle was?
Now we both know (unfortunately).
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I think that was named after our grundle though.

Did I miss some ranting and raving by grundle in this thread? He posted an article, made a rationale statement on his opinion, and asked what others thought?

Oh, I forgot ...

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I don’t know, sounds like this family got a pretty Swede deal.
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I saw a Swedish porn back in the 70’s that had the same plot as this.
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How big do you think these government provided apartments are? How many wives and children does one have to have in their polyamorous family to warrant additional apartments?

By my count, according to the article, the extended family is at LEAST 8 people already. (maybe more, depending on how many children he has had with the other wives.) I suppose a couple of the kids could sleep in the bathtub (assuming there IS one!)

I don't know how big the homes are. But an immediate family should all live together in the same home. If they need a bigger home, then get them a bigger home.
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I don't know how big the homes are. But an immediate family should all live together in the same home. If they need a bigger home, then get them a bigger home.
Well, "immediate" is a very weird word when used to describe these big polyamorous families. You can't really assume that they are (or even want to be) one big happy family that lives together day to day.

It's a common problem of trying to shove square pegs into round holes. Some things are just "different" and you have to handle them differently.
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On a side note, was I the only one who didn't know what a grundle was?


This is where I got the name from:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_(Atari_2600)


Adventure (Atari 2600)

Adventure is a video game for the Atari 2600 video game console, released in late 1979–1980.

In Adventure, the player's goal is to recover the Enchanted Chalice that an evil magician has stolen and hidden in the kingdom and return it to the Golden Castle. The kingdom includes two other castles (White and Black) and various obstacles and mazes within them. Further, the kingdom is guarded by three dragons: Yorgle (yellow dragon), Grundle (green dragon), and Rhindle (red dragon who moves much faster than the other two), that protect various items in the game and will try to chase and eat the player's avatar.



The player in the catacombs of the White Castle, carrying the White Key and being chased by the green dragon, Grundle.
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