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Old 12-25-18, 01:22 PM
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Of course banks would be against it. I’m sure they are against all banking and finance regulation. I’m sure they have challenged many of the the regulations they don’t like. I’m sure they wish they had zero regulations. Exactly who “likes” being regulated?
And you sidestep the part about them actually filing lawsuits to block the law, not to mention using their powerful lobbying influence in Congress to scuttle it before it even makes it to the floor to vote.

And after you admit that the banks would be against it, you follow up with:

My hope might be for a brave CC company report on their own or refuse approvals.
And yet earlier you said:

Yet I’m not suggesting CC refuse to approve gun purchases.
So which is it?

Like they refuse approvals on other things.
Such as? And please don't say marijuana again.

They already are required to report things that might be a crime, this would just be another one.
They are required to report suspicious financial transactions, but as I already pointed out, this would not simply be "another one". This sort of tracking of specific purchases of specific items would seem to be rather unprecedented as far as I know.

Are you really suggesting a bar code couldnt be updated to reflect the item and this information passed to the CC company?
I believe I already stated that this is technically feasible. The technology angle isn't the issue here.

That’s BS. I scan bar codes all the time with an app on my phone to compare prices. There is zero reason if it’s a gun, it couldn’t be passed on to CC companies. As the article I posted mentions, the technology is already in place,

But retailers have the ability to send far more detailed transaction information.

A feature known as a “boxcar” allows retailers to tag transactions with extra data. It is often used by online retailers to send the bank details about consumer behavior, such as the device used to make a purchase and the location of the buyer.”
Oddly enough, I tried to do some more research on this "boxcar" thing and when I search for the term in relation to CC companies, the only relevant link that seems to come up is the very article you quoted this text from.

Please cite an example of any other consumer good that vendors pass specific purchase records along to CC companies using this technology right now. If there is not already something comparable in place, this would actually not be very "easy" to implement at all, even technically. It's not like you can just slap some barcodes on guns and call it good. There are processes that have to be hammered out between gun dealers and CC firms, there is software to right, databases to create and maintain, reporting procedures between CC firms and law enforcement to specifically define, more software to create on that end, and probably some communications infrastructure to sprinkle in as well. That doesn't actually sound very "easy".
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Old 12-27-18, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Sdallnct View Post
Iíll stand by my statement, it is an easy fix (to pass on gun purchases to CC companies).
What is to keep a person from buying guns with a cash advance from a credit card or just purchasing big screen TVs and selling them for cash to buy guns?
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Old 12-27-18, 02:27 AM
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What is to keep a person from buying guns with a cash advance from a credit card or just purchasing big screen TVs and selling them for cash to buy guns?
Do you think one thing is supposed to stop every thing?
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Old 12-27-18, 08:44 AM
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Do you think one thing is supposed to stop every thing?
If only there were a way that firearms purchases by a single buyer could be tracked regardless of whether or not they used cash on hand, a cash advance, one credit card from one company, multiple credit cards from multiple companies or a combination of some or all of these. Bonus points of this solution didn't try and force (likely through years of litigation) extremely reluctant non-government entities to participate in the process.
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I would be against the government forcing CC companies to refuse to approve gun purchases. I would support CC companies refusing on their own. Just like they refuse other purchases on their own.

Itís a big difference. But then I think you know that and just arguing to be arguing.

As the article noted, Iíd support regulation that would require CC companies to report unusual gun purchases. I donít really see a down side. Itís a different discussion if I think it would actually happen.
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Old 12-27-18, 09:24 AM
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If only there were a way that firearms purchases by a single buyer could be tracked regardless of whether or not they used cash on hand, a cash advance, one credit card from one company, multiple credit cards from multiple companies or a combination of some or all of these. Bonus points of this solution didn't try and force (likely through years of litigation) extremely reluctant non-government entities to participate in the process.
So...your supporting regulation that every single gun purchase be reported? Really? And you think adding a regulation to CC companies would never happen? Lol

My discussion was centered around ďunusualĒ gun purchases. But if you want to propose reporting of every single gun purchase....Iíd be on board. But we are in fantasy land now.
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Old 12-27-18, 09:33 AM
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I would be against the government forcing CC companies to refuse to approve gun purchases.
Since I have never once suggested that you support this or suggested that your proposal involves this, not once, but you keep bringing it up, its odd that you accuse me of arguing for the sake of arguing.

However, as I quoted earlier

I would support CC companies refusing on their own. Just like they refuse other purchases on their own.
I asked you on 12/25 to provide examples. Still waiting.
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Old 12-27-18, 09:43 AM
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So...your supporting regulation that every single gun purchase be reported?
Every gun purchase with the exception of person to person sales in some states is reported now. How do you think NICS works, dude?

Also, records of every firearms purchase (with the same exceptions) are kept as required by Federal law.

The problem is that there is no central repository of records as NICS records are required to be deleted very quickly so all that's left are purchase records kept by the sellers. This is what needs to change and this change, while also unlikely, has a better chance of being implemented (and would be much, much more effective) than this silly credit card monitoring idea.

Really? And you think adding a regulation to CC companies would never happen? Lol
Yup, never happen for the reasons I have already laid out multiple times and, even if it did, it would be overwhelmingly ineffective.

My discussion was centered around ďunusualĒ gun purchases. But if you want to propose reporting of every single gun purchase....Iíd be on board. But we are in fantasy land now.
Please go back and reply to the things I have already said instead of ignoring them.
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Since I have never once suggested that you support this or suggested that your proposal involves this, not once, but you keep bringing it up, its odd that you accuse me of arguing for the sake of arguing.

However, as I quoted earlier



I asked you on 12/25 to provide examples. Still waiting.
CC companies refuse purchases all the time. I didnít know you were asking a serious question. I didnít realize people thought CC companies never denied purchases.

Do I need to come up with a list for you? Really? If they think fraud, if they think ID theft, if they think a duplicate purchase (Iíve to call my CC on that one), if an unusual purchase that doesnít match the buyers habits, etc...

The later example is exactly what the article and Iím talking about. Except for adding a reporting element.

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Every gun purchase with the exception of person to person sales in some states is reported now. How do you think NICS works, dude?

Also, records of every firearms purchase (with the same exceptions) are kept as required by Federal law.

The problem is that there is no central repository of records as NICS records are required to be deleted very quickly so all that's left are purchase records kept by the sellers. This is what needs to change and this change, while also unlikely, has a better chance of being implemented (and would be much, much more effective) than this silly credit card monitoring idea.

So I agreed with you and your still arguing? Of course I know only some states report, thatís the entire point.

I agree with your suggestion. Report every gun sale, nationwide. Have it set up to identify unusual and/or large purchases. Then we donít need CC reporting.

But Iíll disagree with you in that I think CC regulation and/or self reporting has a better chance of passing than what you are proposing.
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CC companies refuse purchases all the time. I didnít know you were asking a serious question. I didnít realize people thought CC companies never denied purchases.

Do I need to come up with a list for you? Really? If they think fraud, if they think ID theft, if they think a duplicate purchase (Iíve to call my CC on that one), if an unusual purchase that doesnít match the buyers habits, etc...
No one is disputing that, obviously. What I am disputing is your suggestion that CC companies could choose to refuse purchases of guns "just like they refuse on other things". Other than your previously trying to draw a bogus parallel with recreational marijuana, I was asking you to cite other examples of this.

The later example is exactly what the article and Iím talking about. Except for adding a reporting element.
People buy things they have never purchased before on CC about a million times per day. People make atypical large purchases on CC many thousands of times per day. Even when a CC company blocks one of these purchases, the block is almost always temporary until the buyer verifies the intended purchase, usually over the phone.

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So I agreed with you and your still arguing? Of course I know only some states report, thatís the entire point.
No, all states report so that's not the "entire point". Only some states require reporting of private sales, either for all firearms purchases or, more often, for private sales of certain types of firearms (handguns and "assault weapons" typically).

How many private sales of firearms do you think are made with a credit card? Somewhere between "damn few" and "almost none" would be my guess. So what that means is that virtually every firearm purchase made today that is paid for with a credit card is already reported, by law, to the Federal government and a permanent record of that sale is kept.

Oh, and even for those few private sales that are conducted with a CC, your "boxcars" thing wouldn't apply as the seller would not be a dealer and would not be subject to your proposed regulation anyway.

I agree with your suggestion. Report every gun sale, nationwide. Have it set up to identify unusual and/or large purchases. Then we donít need CC reporting.
Which has been my point since the very beginning (go back and look at my posts from 12/24 and 12/25). I have never said that the CC company idea would be entirely ineffective, only that it would be much, much less effective than having the Federal government doing it (for a variety of reasons I have spelled out) and that it would have less chance of being implemented than the correct purchase monitoring program.

But Iíll disagree with you in that I think CC regulation and/or self reporting has a better chance of passing than what you are proposing.
1. Having private firms track gun purchases on behalf of the Federal government will be no less reprehensible of an idea for the gun rights lobby than merely having the Federal government do it themselves. So, basically, the NRA, GOA and other groups would fight both proposals, making this a wash.

2. However, unique to your proposal, the banks will oppose this vehemently and will use their ample lobbying power and lawsuits to stop it. The lawsuits have a reasonably good chance of being successful (see my post from 12/25).

So basically this idea, while well-intended, has no upside at all either in terms of effectiveness or its likelihood of actually being implemented.

*sigh*
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How about we forgo CC tracking and just tie gun purchases to your driver's license? You have to show one to purchase anyway, correct? So your purchase is tied to you and that goes in a database.

Own a single gun for protection? Then it shows up when a cop scans your license at a traffic stop. Own two dozen assault rifles? Maybe a red flag goes up in the system, alerts the closest authorities and someone has to get a mental eval. Never owned a gun and then there are suddenly a dozen purchases in a short span of time? Red flag.

I mean this shouldn't be too outrageous. As pointed out we already have to show id for over-the-counter medicine, and I've been carded for super glue before, which is absurd. Gotta keep an eye on those shady people doing arts and crafts and school projects.
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At this point I think your just being purposely obtuse. You know CC companies refuse purchases all the time but you want me to tell you what those purchases are?

When I purchased a nice touch screen radio for my new car, my CC declined it. It was an unusual purchase and they declined it. As you say, I called they verified, and they approved, every couple months I get a duplicate purchase notification and have to proactively say it is correct (my duaghter and I have have the same gym membership) before it goes through.

Yes, this is different than ďalwaysĒ declining a specific purchase. The point is, CC already make a ton of decisions relating to approving an item. Heck since Iíve never bought a gun before, if I went and dropped $5,000 on one or more, they might very well decline it till they verified.

Now, if you want examples of specific items a CC does not approve. On-line pornography is one. There is nothing illigal about it, but Amex (I believe it is Amex) does not approve these as they believe a high likelihood of fraud. Here in Texas you canít use a CC to buy a lottery ticket (that may be a state law). I go to Vegas 4-5 times a year, I know you cannot use a CC to ďpurchaseĒ casino chips. Is there a need for me to go on? Google is a good place to look for things you cannot use a CC to purchase. But again, Iím confused by your admitting you know CC companies decline purchases all the time, but want me to give examples.

Each company has their own rules...here for example the processor refuses to approve gun purchases not done ďface to faceĒ.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/11/gun-bu...alts-payments/

Here is an article where some CC companies are altering their policies with regards to gun purchases. Indicating it might be a first step.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...s-free-market/

Which as the owner of the gun store noted is perfectly fine. With the NRA losing strength, I would suspect more of this type thing. One can hope. Much more hope than our politicians doing a damn thing.
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How about we forgo CC tracking and just tie gun purchases to your driver's license? You have to show one to purchase anyway, correct? So your purchase is tied to you and that goes in a database.

Own a single gun for protection? Then it shows up when a cop scans your license at a traffic stop. Own two dozen assault rifles? Maybe a red flag goes up in the system, alerts the closest authorities and someone has to get a mental eval. Never owned a gun and then there are suddenly a dozen purchases in a short span of time? Red flag.

I mean this shouldn't be too outrageous. As pointed out we already have to show id for over-the-counter medicine, and I've been carded for super glue before, which is absurd. Gotta keep an eye on those shady people doing arts and crafts and school projects.
Yeah, this sounds perfectly logical to me, but unfortunately this would never happen in Gunland.
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At this point I think your just being purposely obtuse. You know CC companies refuse purchases all the time but you want me to tell you what those purchases are?
Yup, that's what I wanted. You fallaciously compared guns to legal marijuana and then hinted that gun purchased on credit cards could be disallowed just like "other things". I was waiting for you to cite examples. You finally came through on this below...sort of.

When I purchased a nice touch screen radio for my new car, my CC declined it. It was an unusual purchase and they declined it. As you say, I called they verified, and they approved, every couple months I get a duplicate purchase notification and have to proactively say it is correct (my duaghter and I have have the same gym membership) before it goes through.

Yes, this is different than ďalwaysĒ declining a specific purchase. The point is, CC already make a ton of decisions relating to approving an item. Heck since Iíve never bought a gun before, if I went and dropped $5,000 on one or more, they might very well decline it till they verified.
Again, based on your historic spending patterns and, to a certain extent, the nature of the products being purchased. However, this is done to prevent fraud. For example, if you don't have a history of expensive purchases on a card, you are much more likely to have a $5000 at a furniture store declined than you would at a hospital based on common patterns of fraud, not because of any judgement about the product you are buying. People who steal credit cards are just likely to luxury items like expensive furniture.

However, if anything, CC companies are less likely to decline a gun purchase because they know that your identification will be carefully checked upon purchase, something that likely does not happen at a furniture store.

Now, if you want examples of specific items a CC does not approve. On-line pornography is one. There is nothing illigal about it, but Amex (I believe it is Amex) does not approve these as they believe a high likelihood of fraud.
Here you have me, but consider the cited reason. It is to prevent fraud.

Here in Texas you canít use a CC to buy a lottery ticket (that may be a state law).
It is indeed a state law in Texas and most other states. Not relevant.

I go to Vegas 4-5 times a year, I know you cannot use a CC to ďpurchaseĒ casino chips.
As prohibited by state gaming regulations in Nevada and most other states. Not relevant.

Is there a need for me to go on?
I'll do it for you:
  • Money orders, but based on merchant prohibitions, not CC companies.
  • Mortgage payments, as prevented by the lenders themselves, not the CC companies. They do this to avoid paying hefty transaction fees to the CC companies and to prevent customers from hiding solvency issues with credit.
  • Online gambling, in compliance with the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA) of 2008.
  • Stocks, mutual funds, etc. Prohibited by most brokerage houses, not by the CC companies.
  • Certain types of adult entertainment like lap dances, again, prohibited by the clubs, not the CC companies
  • Digital cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin. This one is prohibited by CC companies, but is all about fraud prevention.

Each company has their own rules...here for example the processor refuses to approve gun purchases not done ďface to faceĒ.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/11/gun-bu...alts-payments/
Which they later admitted was based on a mistaken assumption. Also, this is a payment processor, not a credit card issuer.

Here is an article where some CC companies are altering their policies with regards to gun purchases. Indicating it might be a first step.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...s-free-market/
Not a single example cited in this story had anything to do with preventing customers from buying a gun with a credit card.

This article covers the topic pretty well, including drawing the critical distinction between credit card issuers and payment processors:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/co...les-2018-02-23

On the surface, getting more and more payment processors to refuse to do business with gun retailers would seem like a more fruitful course. However, as the article points out, someone will undoubtedly step up to fill the void. There is too much money to be made along with almost no risk of civil liability on the part of the processors so long as they insist that their customers adhere to the law.
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Yeah, this sounds perfectly logical to me, but unfortunately this would never happen in Gunland.
Yup, mandatory gun registration is what is needed. Alas, gun fanatics have this perverted fantasy that the Feds will slip on their jackboots and go door to door in the middle of the night confiscating guns from owners on their "list". One might have thought that the political top cover provided by the Heller and McDonald decisions would let them relax a little on this point but no such luck.

Never mind that just shy of 80% of all gun crimes are committed by someone in illegal possession of the firearm (either prohibited from carrying, the gun itself was criminally obtained or usually both). Never mind that only about 30% of guns recovered at crime scenes were stolen.

That means that the substantial majority of illegal guns were purchased at legal dealers, usually via straw purchases and quite often at dealers who make these sales knowingly. An ATF study estimated that about 1% of gun dealers were responsible for about 60% of all the crime scene guns that were traced to a dealer. This sort of shit is not a coincidence.

Yet the NRA and groups like it are quick to point out that illegal guns are the main problem (correct) but deliberately hamper efforts by the Federal government to do anything substantial about it.
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I mean this shouldn't be too outrageous. As pointed out we already have to show id for over-the-counter medicine, and I've been carded for super glue before, which is absurd. Gotta keep an eye on those shady people doing arts and crafts and school projects.
You HAVE to show ID and have a back ground check done for ALL gun sales, barring private sales. The background check is ran on your social security number and DL.
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Yup, that's what I wanted. You fallaciously compared guns to legal marijuana and then hinted that gun purchased on credit cards could be disallowed just like "other things". I was waiting for you to cite examples. You finally came through on this below...sort of.



Again, based on your historic spending patterns and, to a certain extent, the nature of the products being purchased. However, this is done to prevent fraud. For example, if you don't have a history of expensive purchases on a card, you are much more likely to have a $5000 at a furniture store declined than you would at a hospital based on common patterns of fraud, not because of any judgement about the product you are buying. People who steal credit cards are just likely to luxury items like expensive furniture.

However, if anything, CC companies are less likely to decline a gun purchase because they know that your identification will be carefully checked upon purchase, something that likely does not happen at a furniture store.



Here you have me, but consider the cited reason. It is to prevent fraud.



It is indeed a state law in Texas and most other states. Not relevant.



As prohibited by state gaming regulations in Nevada and most other states. Not relevant.



I'll do it for you:
  • Money orders, but based on merchant prohibitions, not CC companies.
  • Mortgage payments, as prevented by the lenders themselves, not the CC companies. They do this to avoid paying hefty transaction fees to the CC companies and to prevent customers from hiding solvency issues with credit.
  • Online gambling, in compliance with the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA) of 2008.
  • Stocks, mutual funds, etc. Prohibited by most brokerage houses, not by the CC companies.
  • Certain types of adult entertainment like lap dances, again, prohibited by the clubs, not the CC companies
  • Digital cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin. This one is prohibited by CC companies, but is all about fraud prevention.



Which they later admitted was based on a mistaken assumption. Also, this is a payment processor, not a credit card issuer.



Not a single example cited in this story had anything to do with preventing customers from buying a gun with a credit card.

This article covers the topic pretty well, including drawing the critical distinction between credit card issuers and payment processors:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/co...les-2018-02-23

On the surface, getting more and more payment processors to refuse to do business with gun retailers would seem like a more fruitful course. However, as the article points out, someone will undoubtedly step up to fill the void. There is too much money to be made along with almost no risk of civil liability on the part of the processors so long as they insist that their customers adhere to the law.
So you know of purchases that either by choice or regulation cannot be made with a CC, but you had me list some anyway? Ooook,

Every single item I mentioned (or you mentioned) is relevant. As is not being able to purchase pot. Itís all relavent. Why? Because we are talking about a process or a regulation. It doesnít matter why my CC was declined when I went to purchase a car stereo. The point is the company had in a place a mechanism to identify and stop a purchase. For whatever reason. Yes, in Texas legally you canít use a CC to purchase a lottery ticket...now what do they call that? Regulation. Iím sure the CC didnít like that regulation. They are losing money by not making those millions of transactions. So what.

So if they have a mechanism in place to decline unusual or fraudulent purchases, or things like on-line porn, there is zero reason CC companies could use similar mechanisms to report UNUSUAL gun purchases. Either required by regulation or declining them on their own.

Now, Iíve 100% agreed with your suggestion. That we need national gun regestion and mechanisms in place to identify unusual purchases. Then we can skip the whole CC thing. Totally agree. But where we disagree is that I thing there will be movement on the CC part.
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You HAVE to show ID and have a back ground check done for ALL gun sales, barring private sales. The background check is ran on your social security number and DL.
Well then we're already halfway there.
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Well then we're already halfway there.
Or as I would see your suggestion, one more nail in the coffin. The government has too much access to our privacy now, I do not want to give them more.
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I really don’t like the inconsistency. It becomes hypocrisy.

A big hypersexualized violent female caricature. Everybody loves this stupid game, so it gets a pass, but i think that’s bullshit.

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Well, as long as her classmate doesn't chew her toast into a vague gun shape and point it at someone, I guess that's ok.
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Well, as long as her classmate doesn't chew her toast into a vague gun shape and point it at someone, I guess that's ok.
And thatís just it. Iíve suffered through 20 years of kids getting punished for doing finger guns and toy guns and pop tart guns. Then this stupid game comes along and suddenly itís okay? Why? Because thereís a stupid dance craze?
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Originally Posted by Mabuse View Post

Because thereís a stupid dance craze?
Don't worry, Carlton is suing the Fortnite guys.

But I agree with you (!), the hypocrisy regarding this is staggeringly stupid. No finger guns or poptart guns, but hmmm, maybe we should arm all the teachers? Country is completely fucking nuts at this point, I'm happy that my kids don't go to school there.

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