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Old 06-29-18, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner View Post
That's a leap in logic.

That investigation was five years ago. Maybe he would've done the exact same thing, just sooner -- which certainly appears to have been the concern to begin with. Let's say he'd been charged, arrested, and convicted. By now, he would've long since served his time. What would stop him from exacting vengeance anyway?

Barring him having being institutionalized indefinitely, I don't know what could've been done.
People always fear living in a "minority report" type of society yet wonder why we don't have a "minority report" type of society when something bad happens.
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No charges filed because of "a fear that doing so would exacerbate an already flammable situation.".

Good policy. Well played. It resulted in a mass shooting. Nicely done officer.

Whole thing reminds me of Cape Fear. The guy is an outright threat. Anyone can see it. But he’s on the edge of legality. Maybe they should have done what Nick Nolte did and hire some guys to put him in the hospital. Then again that didn’t go so well.
So then you clearly agree that a person like this should be flagged and not allowed to buy any gun?
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Old 06-29-18, 04:51 PM
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That's a leap in logic.

That investigation was five years ago. Maybe he would've done the exact same thing, just sooner -- which certainly appears to have been the concern to begin with. Let's say he'd been charged, arrested, and convicted. By now, he would've long since served his time. What would stop him from exacting vengeance anyway? I don't think he would've emerged from prison rehabilitated and well-balanced.

Barring him having been institutionalized indefinitely, I don't know what could've been done.
Since we “all” seem to blame him, how about him not being allowed to buy a gun by just filling out a piece of paper? I mean if we are saying the “system” is the problem, lets fix it by starting with a guy that makes threats can’t buy a gun.
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Old 06-29-18, 04:54 PM
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Shooting suspect Jarrod Ramos was terminated for “security suitability concerns” in July 2014 by his previous employer, Enterprise Information Services, where he worked as a help desk specialist within the Bureau of Labor Statistics in Washington, DC, according to court documents.
Enterprise Information Services filed a response to Ramos’ complaint, saying the federal government demanded that Ramos be terminated “citing security suitability concerns resulting from an Investigation conducted by the Office of Inspector General.” The company said it was “never informed of the exact nature of the investigation."

Also in the court file was an email from a Bureau of Labor Statistics employee who, at the time of Ramos’ termination, informed her co-workers Ramos would not be allowed back on BLS premises “in order to mitigate potential security risk.”
Originally Posted by Sdallnct View Post
Since we “all” seem to blame him, how about him not being allowed to buy a gun by just filling out a piece of paper? I mean if we are saying the “system” is the problem, lets fix it by starting with a guy that makes threats can’t buy a gun.
Oh, I agree. He shouldn't have been able to buy a shotgun. I do think he would've come up with some other means of murder, but I don't believe he should've passed any sort of background check.
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Old 06-29-18, 05:00 PM
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So then you clearly agree that a person like this should be flagged and not allowed to buy any gun?
Yes, I do.

The investigation determined not to press charges because “doing so would exacerbate an already flammable situation."

That’s an admission that there was a flammable situation going on. And they decided to do nothing.

That’s bullshit. Charge him with something. Without a doubt charge him with something that would disallow him from owning a gun.
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The idea of tracking and analyzing threats, and then denying certain people gun ownership, is a farce. And a bluff. It’s like locking your screen door. It might deter the smallest threats.
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It couldn’t hurt.
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Old 06-29-18, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Troy Stiffler View Post
The idea of tracking and analyzing threats, and then denying certain people gun ownership, is a farce. And a bluff. It’s like locking your screen door. It might deter the smallest threats.
Then why prevent anyone? Why do a background check?
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Then why prevent anyone? Why do a background check?
It makes people feel better. And catches incredibly delusional people. I’d imagine there aren’t many people who go to buy a gun if they think they’ll be rejected. And THAT would be more of a deterrent than the actual report. It’s a bluff.
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Old 06-29-18, 06:12 PM
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The investigation determined not to press charges because “doing so would exacerbate an already flammable situation."

That’s an admission that there was a flammable situation going on. And they decided to do nothing.
Well, the fear is that you have a guy who's on the edge, and even if they were to pursue a restraining order or charge him with criminal harassment, you run a greater risk of pushing him over the edge --- directly towards this sort of psychotic behavior -- rather than deterring it.
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Old 06-29-18, 06:25 PM
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It makes people feel better. And catches incredibly delusional people. I’d imagine there aren’t many people who go to buy a gun if they think they’ll be rejected. And THAT would be more of a deterrent than the actual report. It’s a bluff.
https://www.npr.org/2016/01/09/46225...not-everything

Seems some evidence suggests otherwise. Tho more study needed from a mass shooting aspect.
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Well, the fear is that you have a guy who's on the edge, and even if they were to pursue a restraining order or charge him with criminal harassment, you run a greater risk of pushing him over the edge --- directly towards this sort of psychotic behavior -- rather than deterring it.
If you’re so on the edge that having a restraining order issued to you by a judge may cause you to commit mass homicide then I guess they should lock you up. They should certainly put you on a “no buy” list. They should certainly do something other than nothing.
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If you’re so on the edge that having a restraining order issued to you by a judge may cause you to commit mass homicide then I guess they should lock you up. They should certainly put you on a “no buy” list.
I agree on both counts, but alas, that's not the way the system works.
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Old 06-30-18, 03:03 PM
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Shame on Milo Yiannopoulos for encouraging people to commit violence against innocent people!

That is a crime. I hope Yiannopoulos gets prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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Dudes named Ramos aren’t really “white”.

This sounds like another situation like that Cruz kid. Everybody knew this guy was a threat, but they really didn’t do anything about it. Get a restraining order, beef up security, something!

If the mainstream media wants to say the U.S. population will soon be less than 50% white, people named "Ramos" don't count as being white.

On the other hand, when someone named "Ramos" goes on a mass shooting and killing spree, that person is counted as being white.
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"Do you think the liberals are using these school shootings to further their anti-tragedy agenda?"

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Oh wow!

This is very moving.

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‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

Three people were killed and at least seven others were injured in a mass shooting in New Orleans late Saturday night, officials said.

Police said two gunmen shot indiscriminately into a crowd at about 10:30 p.m. local time, about three miles from the city's famed French Quarter.
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This didn’t end up being a mass shooting but a robbery although it is scary to watch.

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3-D-printed guns put carnage a click away

PEOPLE WHO are barred from purchasing firearms or want to own a gun that is illegal in the jurisdiction where they live may soon have an easy way to get around the law. All they would need to do is download a computer file and use a 3-D printer to stamp out a gun. No background check would weed out felons, those with mental illness, domestic abusers or possible terrorists. No serial number would allow police to trace a weapon used in a crime. And there would be no problem getting past metal detectors with a gun molded from high-quality plastic.

Plans by a Texas organization to publish, starting Aug. 1, downloadable blueprints for 3-D-printed plastic firearms — so-called ghost guns — have rightly alarmed leading gun safety groups and law enforcement officials. Credit for this dangerous scenario — in which getting an AR-15-style rifle is just a matter of a few computer clicks — goes to the Trump administration for its inexplicable decision to settle a lawsuit it was on the verge of winning.

The case involves Cody Wilson, founder of Defense Distributed, who sued the government in 2015 after the State Department under the Obama administration made him take down do-it-yourself gunmaking blueprints he had posted online, saying they violated export regulations governing military hardware and technology. Mr. Wilson, an avowed anarchist who hopes for a world in which governments can’t stop individuals from getting guns, claimed his First Amendment right to free speech was being violated. But he lost at every stage of litigation, including a refusal by the Supreme Court to review a decision that the code could not be published during the course of the lawsuit.

So it was stunning — but not surprising, given this administration’s worship at the altar of gun rights — that the State Department elected last month to quietly settle the case. In addition to signing off on the public release of the 3-D printing tutorials, the State Department also agreed to pay nearly $40,000 of Mr. Wilson’s legal fees. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence has filed a Freedom of Information Act request to find out how this senseless decision was reached, and whether groups such as the National Rifle Association were involved. It, along with Everytown for Gun Safety and Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, tried unsuccessfully Friday to get a federal court in Texas to block what it called a “troubling” and “dangerous” settlement.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was pressed about the issue Wednesday during his appearance before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. “Why on earth would the Trump administration make it easier for terrorists and gunmen to produce undetectable plastic guns?” asked Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.). Mr. Pompeo promised to “take a look at it.”

That’s not enough. Ghost guns are already a problem; they are used not just by lone shooters but as part of criminal enterprises. Releasing instructions for their manufacture, which now only circulate on the dark Web, will lead directly to the loss of more innocent lives. The administration should stop the State Department from going ahead with this foolhardy move, and Congress should act to plug the loopholes that these guns are designed to take advantage of.
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I've long thought we're not going to be able to keep the genie of the 3-D printed gun in the bottle forever. But it's disgusting that the Trump administration isn't even trying to keep the lid on at all.
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Correction: the current administration willfully took the lid off.

The more fear this administration generates, the easier it is for them to control the people.
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It’ll be interesting to see their response when a politician is shot by a 3D printed gun that went right through security.
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It’ll be interesting to see their response when a politician is shot by a 3D printed gun that went right through security.
Hmmm, that sure will be interesting.


EDIT: Actually, doesn't a 3D printed gun require a couple small metal parts (easily obtainable) in order to make it a functional weapon? Hopefully that might stop it from getting through security?
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Hmmm, that sure will be interesting.


EDIT: Actually, doesn't a 3D printed gun require a couple small metal parts (easily obtainable) in order to make it a functional weapon? Hopefully that might stop it from getting through security?
I've seen info like this mentioned in several articles.

Gardiner also worries about the potential of foreign terrorist groups or drug traffickers to access the blueprints. “So now you’re talking about foreign terrorists being able to 3D print guns they might have difficulty getting otherwise,” Gardiner said. “If they’re made of plastic, they’re undetectable at airports.”

Some lawmakers say they are also concerned about the traceability and detectability of 3D-printed firearms. Because they’re produced at home, these guns wouldn’t have serial numbers like their mass-produced counterparts, making it difficult for the federal government to track them. The guns could also more easily avoid metal detection since they’re made of plastic. Wilson made his pistol almost entirely out of ABS plastic, the same material used to make Lego toys.

He did, however, include a metal firing pin in his gun, as well as another piece of extraneous metal, to comply with the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988, a federal law making it illegal to “manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive” firearms that can’t be detected by metal detectors. Congress extended the law in 2013, but did not update it to account for 3D printing technology, like requiring weapons to contain at least one necessary component that’s easily detectable. As is, the law doesn’t stipulate what parts of the gun must be metal, and so it could be an immaterial component that, once removed, would leave the gun operable and undetected.
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Old 07-29-18, 08:39 PM
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The NRA is in favor of home-printed guns. They seem to be more than a lobbying organization for the firearm manufacturers. I'm not sure what their long-range plan is, because eventually printers will be cheap enough and programs will be good enough for anyone to print undetectable firearms as easily as they copy music for free.

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