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Old 05-28-18, 07:38 PM
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Not sure if it's mentioned elsewhere (other than by me) but still wondering what people think of the 'Active Shooter' video game, where you can pretend to be an aggrieved teen and go on a shooting spree in a high-school. (To be fair, you can also play LE, but it seems like the trajectory of that iteration would be quite different.)

Is this game OK (even if you acknowledge that it's in horrible taste) or should it be shelved?
I googled it but only got news articles talking about it. No wikipedia link or anything.
It doesn't seem like it's being released on any consoles. Is it a computer game?
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Old 05-28-18, 08:06 PM
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It's on the Steam store (PC) for pre-order, releasing in a week or so.
It reminds me of that Hatred game that came out a couple years back; not because of game play but because of the oh-so-edginess of it all. Feel free to find the trailer for that one. When that one came out, people who played it said it was lame. I have no doubt this new game will have a similar trajectory.

I don't think the government should ban shitty games from being released or anything, but Steam arguably could be said to have an obligation to keep garbage off of it's platform.
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Old 05-28-18, 09:13 PM
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It's on the Steam store (PC) for pre-order, releasing in a week or so.
It reminds me of that Hatred game that came out a couple years back; not because of game play but because of the oh-so-edginess of it all. Feel free to find the trailer for that one. When that one came out, people who played it said it was lame. I have no doubt this new game will have a similar trajectory.

I don't think the government should ban shitty games from being released or anything, but Steam arguably could be said to have an obligation to keep garbage off of it's platform.

I had to wiki Steam to find out what it was and how it works.

I thought that "Hatred" was going to be a racist video game based on the title. So it's just one guy killing everyone else. Though it's not the goal, can't you do that in GTA?
But yeah, it was pretty disturbing.

I would think that games like that or this "Active Shooter" would get Steam a lot of backlash but maybe it's because the platform isn't a household name like "Playstation" or "X-Box"?
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It's on the Steam store (PC) for pre-order, releasing in a week or so.
It reminds me of that Hatred game that came out a couple years back; not because of game play but because of the oh-so-edginess of it all. Feel free to find the trailer for that one. When that one came out, people who played it said it was lame. I have no doubt this new game will have a similar trajectory.

I don't think the government should ban shitty games from being released or anything, but Steam arguably could be said to have an obligation to keep garbage off of it's platform.
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I don't think the government should ban shitty games from being released or anything, but Steam arguably could be said to have an obligation to keep garbage off of it's platform.
I agree.
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Old 05-29-18, 10:36 AM
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I had to wiki Steam to find out what it was and how it works.

I thought that "Hatred" was going to be a racist video game based on the title. So it's just one guy killing everyone else. Though it's not the goal, can't you do that in GTA?
But yeah, it was pretty disturbing.
I totally get what you're saying, and I'm not sure that there's a clear distinction between what you can do in GTA compared to what Hatred intends players to do. It's an interesting discussion, for sure. This is where a game like Hatred feels worse, because it appears to encourage a very specific thing (that is, being suicidal and going on a murderous rampage to take as many people as you can with you, provided in very graphic detail at times). If there was some "point" to it, then it might be less disturbing. GTA, for all the terrible things you can do in those games, isn't as gory or rooted in that kind of behavior (not that organized crime is much better...). I'm not defending GTA, either. The series has its issues, no doubt, and I've sunk dozens of hours into the various games. And as I said, I really don't know what the exact distinction is when you break the games down to their core elements. I saw a good video awhile back about "intent" in games and how even though a game like GTA has a goal of making you complete missions to move up in the crime world or whatever, there's all sorts of things you can do (like murderous rampages) that aren't explicitly intended, but clearly... because it's a game and it's programmed as such, the developers DO intend you to take those kinds of tangents. I'll see if I can dig the video up. I remember it being pretty informative.

I would think that games like that or this "Active Shooter" would get Steam a lot of backlash but maybe it's because the platform isn't a household name like "Playstation" or "X-Box"?
Yeah, Steam basically IS computer/PC gaming. If someone has a computer and plays games, they more than likely use the Steam store for most of those purchases. There's other stores, but much like Google is to "search," Steam is the goto default for most games. Steam has received some backlash over some controversial titles, but they're generally an "anything goes" kind of store, only banning developers who cross some ill-defined lines.
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Old 05-29-18, 08:34 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/29/polit...phy/index.html

Surprised it didn’t come up sooner. Pornography is a “root” cause of mass shooting. I love the reasoning. Back in her day it was available but kids had to “reach up” (on a shelf) to get it. Now I guess her point is it is readily available.

Seriously. What next....we have had music, games, pornographery.....what next? Gays? Women? Black People, Las Vegas might win the Stanley as an expansion team, we call a basketball player “King”....dear lord. So depressing.
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Old 05-29-18, 08:37 PM
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"What next?"

Fluoride in the water
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"What next?"

Fluoride in the water
To sap our precious bodily fluids.

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"What next?"

Fluoride in the water
Mass shootings are what happen when you don’t protect your precious bodily fluids?
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https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/a...on-the-market/

Some technology in the works that could help.

Don’t remember talking about smart guns. But doesn’t seem unreasonable. Course NRA is against.
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"Pornography. It's available. It's available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store. Yeah, you have to reach up to get it, but there's pornography there," Black says in the audio. "All of this is available without parental guidance."
Yeah, I was in Safeway last week and picked up Weapons of Ass Destruction 23 and Big Black Monster Dicks in Little Tight White Chicks 44.
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Yeah, I was in Safeway last week and picked up Weapons of Ass Destruction 23 and Big Black Monster Dicks in Little Tight White Chicks 44.
Please don't shoot anybody.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/29/polit...phy/index.html

Surprised it didn’t come up sooner. Pornography is a “root” cause of mass shooting. I love the reasoning. Back in her day it was available but kids had to “reach up” (on a shelf) to get it. Now I guess her point is it is readily available.

Seriously. What next....we have had music, games, pornographery.....what next? Gays? Women? Black People, Las Vegas might win the Stanley as an expansion team, we call a basketball player “King”....dear lord. So depressing.
Why did you even share that? It’s a garbage story that misrepresents something that no one of significance actually really said. And what they said is bizarre and does not reflect reality. If kids are watching porn they aren’t getting it from a magazine rack.
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Why did you even share that? It’s a garbage story that misrepresents something that no one of significance actually really said. And what they said is bizarre and does not reflect reality. If kids are watching porn they aren’t getting it from a magazine rack.
Really? Why did I post? To demonstrate the length people go to blame anything and everything else on Gun violence.
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The story did not misrepresent what she said and she is running for Governor so of course she is at this moment significant.
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I'm sure some of us remember the immensely tacky Postal.
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Looks like the rifle ban is going well for Dick's. Sales (and share price) up quite a bit since Feb.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/30/dick...-earnings.html
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The response to ultra-violent video games such as "Hatred" should be to boycott not just the purchase of that product but all purchases from the company producing the product.

If that doesn't get the desired results, boycott and publicly shame all vendors selliing the product.
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Really? Why did I post? To demonstrate the length people go to blame anything and everything else on Gun violence.
And to lump those here who think violent entertainment and media create a culture that contributes or influences violent behavior with some politician who thinks porn is found in the "top shelf" of supermarkets and that believes it's the "root" cause of gun violence.
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This was a screencap from Steam from around the time that Hatred game was announced. Target audience...



Edit: as I recall, when the game finally did come out, a handful of user reviews were along the lines of, "gameplay isn't very good. Story is pretty lame. But the game offends liberals so, I recommend buying it." Anyone worth their salt basically said to skip it outright.
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Should parents of teen.murderers who purchase such games and allow the kids to play them be charged as accessories (or for contributing to the delinquency of a minor)?
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Should parents of teen.murderers who purchase such games and allow the kids to play them be charged as accessories (or for contributing to the delinquency of a minor)?
No. Although you could argue that entertainment like this helps contribute to someones mental state, it could just as well be that the person was already harboring these thoughts and because of that, sought out that kind of entertainment. Or maybe they were harboring some sick thoughts, and this type of entertainment only helped to reinforce it.

This is in response to people arguing that parents should be held accountable when their guns are used by mass shooters?

I think that you're argument would be better suited for children's protective services or whatever agency deals with that kind of thing.
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No.
Agreed.

This is in response to people arguing that parents should be held accountable when their guns are used by mass shooters?
Yeah, and not to be 'cute' about it, but you can't put bullets in a video game, bring the video game to school, and massacre a couple dozen classmates with a video game.
The responsibility of ownership is not at all comparable, not that I believe anyone was genuinely suggesting they are.
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And to lump those here who think violent entertainment and media create a culture that contributes or influences violent behavior with some politician who thinks porn is found in the "top shelf" of supermarkets and that believes it's the "root" cause of gun violence.
Not exactly. No....but not terribly far off either....

Again (and again) its simply an attempt (blaming porn) on anything but the real issue. I’ve totally 100% admitted, there are dozens and dozens and dozens of thing that could, potententially perhaps “contribute” or “influences” violent behavior. List them all out if you want. I don’t mind helping make that list. But then when list out those dozens and dozens and dozens of items them what? Are you going to suggest we “get rid of all of them”? Or suggest we “regulate them”? Wouldn’t it be infininatly easier and MORE effective to address guns?

Let’s try this....what else do video games influence? If these are such “contributors” to violence in the US (cause we sure don’t see this many mass shooting in other countries), what else do they influence? Drug use? Car thefts? What else? Surely gun violence isnt the only thing. What ever that is, should we stop regulating the outcome and just go after games?

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