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Old 03-19-18, 01:41 PM
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I find it out that Hawaii flaunts federal law and sanctions and facilitiates medical marijuana, yet it cites an outdated federal law as an excuse to go after gun owners. Seems somewhat hypocritical to me.

I have no problem with California's efforts to seize guns from felons, which is why I didn't mention it.
I think we are the same side of this...

My point, the NFA has been around a very long time. Yet the Feds have not used that to just randomly knock on those peoples doors so I do a gun grab. I'm not disagreeing with you on Hawaii. But there are a lot of issues so that pop up that have to be work through when a state legalizes something the Feds say is against the law. (Did they ever figure out how to use banks at dispensaries in states that have recreational use?).
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Old 03-19-18, 03:44 PM
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The Columbine shooters had a carbine, which they fired close to a hundred times -- more than all their other weapons combined.
You're right, sort of. The Hi-Point they had is basically just a cheap, plastic-encased 9mm pistol with a longer barrel and a shoulder stock. It takes 10 and 15-round magazines (they used only 10-round magazines). In other words, much more akin to a 9mm handgun than an assault rifle and a very, very different animal than a typical AR-15 (by "typical" I mean one chambered in 5.56). It is fairly unlikely that their use of the Hi-Point, as opposed to a typical 9mm pistol, had any impact on body count at all.

It's funny, gun rights advocates will jump on anyone on the other side who makes the slightest error in terminology, but they feel free to misstate basic facts to make their case.
Wait, so am I the "gun rights advocate" you are referring to here?

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Old 03-20-18, 08:54 AM
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Rollin' rollin' rollin', keep them guns a rollin' students need a shootin', Rawhide! Maryland. Several shot, no deaths reported.
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Old 03-20-18, 09:01 AM
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Rollin' rollin' rollin', keep them guns a rollin' students need a shootin', Rawhide! Maryland. Several shot, no deaths reported.
Eh, I've been told in this thread that school shootings aren't frequent enough to do anything about. Someone should let these students know.
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I'm surprised that Republicans haven't used these shootings as a point to get rid of public schools. Seems to be about in line with their way of thinking. It's not the guns but the schools themselves and we must not allow them to continue.
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Old 03-20-18, 09:10 AM
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I'm surprised that Republicans haven't used these shootings as a point to get rid of public schools. Seems to be about in line with their way of thinking. It's not the guns but the schools themselves and we must not allow them to continue.
Or give the schools guns. Not the teachers. The actual schools. Just scatter a bunch in the gym and lunchroom.
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Old 03-20-18, 09:16 AM
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Per local news: *** UPDATE - 3 people have reportedly been shot at Great Mills High School, including the shooter, ALL are in critical condition ***
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Or give the schools guns. Not the teachers. The actual schools. Just scatter a bunch in the gym and lunchroom.
Two words. Gun turrets.
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Old 03-20-18, 09:48 AM
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Per local news: *** UPDATE - 3 people have reportedly been shot at Great Mills High School, including the shooter, ALL are in critical condition ***
Sounds like a school resource officer engaged the shooter and ended it.
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Old 03-20-18, 10:04 AM
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Or give the schools guns. Not the teachers. The actual schools. Just scatter a bunch in the gym and lunchroom.
I like the way you think. But, just to be a bit safer, the guns will have a smart lock on them, which requires the potential Real Hero to answer three skill-testing questions about the type of gun they are holding before the lock is disengaged.

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Two words. Gun turrets.
Scratch my previous suggestion. Let's just get these.
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Sounds like a school resource officer engaged the shooter and ended it.


Also, I guess since there were only three shot, it doesn't count as a mass shooting either.

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Old 03-20-18, 10:21 AM
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Two words. Gun turrets.
Well....I think I've made my feelings known. More guns = more issues. Even cool gun turret guns.

However, I see see some potential in a broader more strategic sense...so I counter your gun turrets with....sharks with freaking lasers on their heads.

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Shooter dead.
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Also, I guess since there were only three shot, it doesn't count as a mass shooting either.

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Until politicians actually want to solve problems, yes, this will be a typical conversation. Already is happening today...

When you have states like Arizona, who want to ban weapons from schools, even SRO's, and think demented shooters will just say, "Oh, fuck, that damn law stopped me!", shootings will continually be unhindered in the classrooms across this nation.
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Guns aren't the problem, pornography is. #amirite #thoughtsandprayers
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Until politicians actually want to solve problems, yes, this will be a typical conversation. Already is happening today...

When you have states like Arizona, who want to ban weapons from schools, even SRO's, and think demented shooters will just say, "Oh, fuck, that damn law stopped me!", shootings will continually be unhindered in the classrooms across this nation.
Yea, that's the problem,
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Old 03-20-18, 12:47 PM
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Armed school employee stops school shooter, saving who knows how many lives:


https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/gr...ing/index.html

Armed student dead after he shoots 2 others at Maryland high school, sheriff says

March 20, 2018

An armed student who shot two other students at Great Mills High School in Maryland on Tuesday morning has died, according to St. Mary's County Sheriff Tim Cameron.

The sheriff said the school resource officer engaged the shooter and ended the threat, which occurred in a hallway just before classes began. The officer fired a round at the shooter, who was armed with a handgun, and the shooter fired a round as well, Cameron said.

The gunman was later pronounced dead, and the officer was not injured, the sheriff said. A male student, 14, is in stable condition and a female student, 16, is in critical condition, he said.
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We’ll just have to quietly forget that ever happened. It goes against our “police with guns in the schools is bad” theory. Move along, nothing to see here.
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Old 03-20-18, 01:23 PM
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I don't think anyone is against armed resource officers in schools.
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Obviously it's great that the officer was there to stop this from getting out of hand. The problem is that people use this story to say that the armed officers at school will solve the problem. What they won't think about is that two kids that got shot before the cop got there or what could have happened if kid had an automatic.
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Article: Armed "resource officer"
Grundle: Armed "school employee"

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We’ll just have to quietly forget that ever happened. It goes against our “police with guns in the schools is bad” theory. Move along, nothing to see here.
I won't forget that. Good for the resource officer for doing his job, unlike the Parkland officer.

However, it also sounds like this shooting was narrower in scope, since the suspect had previously been in a relationship with the girl who's in critical condition.
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We’ll just have to quietly forget that ever happened. It goes against our “police with guns in the schools is bad” theory. Move along, nothing to see here.
Two kids were shot today. Yes, the SRO stopped the shooter from doing worse, but the presence of an armed man on campus did not deter the shooter, nor did it keep everyone safe. You can only count this as a success if your standards are so low that two students being shot is an acceptable outcome.

But the rest of us will continue to see SROs as an ineffective stopgap that we're forced to rely upon because the NRA keeps blocking sensible gun control measures.
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Eh, I've been told in this thread that school shootings aren't frequent enough to do anything about. Someone should let these students know.
So actual data/statistics don't matter?
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Two kids were shot today. Yes, the SRO stopped the shooter from doing worse, but the presence of an armed man on campus did not deter the shooter, nor did it keep everyone safe. You can only count this as a success if your standards are so low that two students being shot is an acceptable outcome.

But the rest of us will continue to see SROs as an ineffective stopgap that we're forced to rely upon because the NRA keeps blocking sensible gun control measures.
At this point I don't think we know if the shooter killed himself or the officer shot him, but either way he did his job and effectively ended the situation. Unless you know of some 100% way of preventing someone walking into a school with a gun, I don't see how you can call the SROs an ineffective stopgap.

And the NRA doesn't block anything - put the blame on our elected officials.

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or what could have happened if kid had an automatic.
An automatic?
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