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The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook

Old 12-17-17, 11:24 PM
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The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook



In its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it was funneling cocaine into the United States, according to a POLITICO investigation.

I am shocked this was published but it is a very detailed story on how the White House stopped plans to take down Hezbollah and allowed them to continue drug-running into the U.S. in order to avoid upsetting the Iran nuclear deal.
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Old 12-18-17, 06:27 AM
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It's a difficult problem. What would you be willing to give up to get a nuclear deal?

Within five years, North Korea will be able to destroy Los Angeles with a push of a button. A government that doesn't like us will have the power to kill ten million people, and cause economic damage affecting everyone in the world. It's a done deal. We will be living the rest of our lives under that threat.

Would you be willing to undo that in exchange for turning down the heat on some drug smugglers? It sounds like the Obama administration decided to do just that.
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Re: The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook

Obviously we should have preemptively struck Iran instead of making a deal. Because that worked so well the last time.
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How about shut down Hezbollah AND make a nuclear deal with Iran?

It's frustrating to be the preeminent global power and not be able to do both.
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Re: The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook

I'll have to read the piece, I have it saved on my phone to do so, but we could also legalize drugs and remove the incentive to smuggle the crap. And I say that as someone who has never used any and never will.
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Re: The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook

Originally Posted by Nick Danger View Post
It's a difficult problem. What would you be willing to give up to get a nuclear deal?

Within five years, North Korea will be able to destroy Los Angeles with a push of a button. A government that doesn't like us will have the power to kill ten million people, and cause economic damage affecting everyone in the world. It's a done deal. We will be living the rest of our lives under that threat.

Would you be willing to undo that in exchange for turning down the heat on some drug smugglers? It sounds like the Obama administration decided to do just that.
Five years? They can do it now. What the US is telling us is just reducing the fear if Americans really knew what NK can do. I've been saying this for quite some time. North Korea has capabilities, has exponentially done very well with their experiments and research, and it's all been thanks to both Republican and Democrat Presidents, appeasing these crazy people with tens of millions of dollars, allowing NK to replace their older fin-type missiles with guidance systems, easily reaching Los Angeles by now.

So, no. Five years. That was in 2012. They can hit LA right now.

When a bully makes you think you're doing them a negative favor by letting a few other punks get a pass, you've lost any and all negotiating power, and just allowed the monster to grow.

It's like letting a little bully at grade school get an extra dessert, hoping he won't pick on any more kids. But you will be mistaken, and the behavior will continue until you physically confront that little shit, and tell him to stop bullying others or face immediate punishment.

But there's a problem with this, too. I'll comment on that below after LA.

And it's not just Los Angeles. It's Japan and Tokyo. You're looking at 25 million and more I think. I'd say NK would target Japan first. They hate Japan. This hate goes back to WWII. That's why they've been launching missiles over their heads to prove this point and to strike fear in them.

Finally. The US anti-missile systems are not as reliable as you would think. That's why we haven't gone to war with NK just yet. We're slowly testing and working around the clock to mitigate this issue. Our missile systems could "maybe" shoot down one of NK's missiles. Maybe. Multiple missiles incoming...we're seriously fucked. The military has been basically on cruise control over the last few decades, just lapping up taxpayer dollars on stupid programs that were just meant to make a few people rich. And now all this fucking around has left us with very shoddy Anti-missile security, as well as even the military in general, come to think of it.

Tell that to Los Angeles or New York City.
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Originally Posted by Mabuse View Post
How about shut down Hezbollah AND make a nuclear deal with Iran?

It's frustrating to be the preeminent global power and not be able to do both.
We're not a global power anymore. I just don't see it as it was, say, back in WWII "world power". We let other countries tell us what to do. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, etc., tells us what to do in the Middle East all the time. For decades. Actually in the case of Saudi Arabia, about a half-century.

The US can shut down anyone it wants but it has to do with profiting off of foreign relations (insert Saudi Arabia here)...not penalizing bad behavior. So unfortunately, bad behavior continues, thanks to typical politicians in Washington who only want to make deals which will make them money via other countries telling them what to do in lieu of special favors.
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Originally Posted by Nick Danger View Post
It's a difficult problem. What would you be willing to give up to get a nuclear deal?

Within five years, North Korea will be able to destroy Los Angeles with a push of a button. A government that doesn't like us will have the power to kill ten million people, and cause economic damage affecting everyone in the world. It's a done deal. We will be living the rest of our lives under that threat.

Would you be willing to undo that in exchange for turning down the heat on some drug smugglers? It sounds like the Obama administration decided to do just that.

I would not trust Iran to keep its word.
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Five years? They can do it now. What the US is telling us is just reducing the fear if Americans really knew what NK can do. I've been saying this for quite some time. North Korea has capabilities, has exponentially done very well with their experiments and research, and it's all been thanks to both Republican and Democrat Presidents, appeasing these crazy people with tens of millions of dollars, allowing NK to replace their older fin-type missiles with guidance systems, easily reaching Los Angeles by now.

So, no. Five years. That was in 2012. They can hit LA right now.

When a bully makes you think you're doing them a negative favor by letting a few other punks get a pass, you've lost any and all negotiating power, and just allowed the monster to grow.

It's like letting a little bully at grade school get an extra dessert, hoping he won't pick on any more kids. But you will be mistaken, and the behavior will continue until you physically confront that little shit, and tell him to stop bullying others or face immediate punishment.

But there's a problem with this, too. I'll comment on that below after LA.

And it's not just Los Angeles. It's Japan and Tokyo. You're looking at 25 million and more I think. I'd say NK would target Japan first. They hate Japan. This hate goes back to WWII. That's why they've been launching missiles over their heads to prove this point and to strike fear in them.

Finally. The US anti-missile systems are not as reliable as you would think. That's why we haven't gone to war with NK just yet. We're slowly testing and working around the clock to mitigate this issue. Our missile systems could "maybe" shoot down one of NK's missiles. Maybe. Multiple missiles incoming...we're seriously fucked. The military has been basically on cruise control over the last few decades, just lapping up taxpayer dollars on stupid programs that were just meant to make a few people rich. And now all this fucking around has left us with very shoddy Anti-missile security, as well as even the military in general, come to think of it.

Tell that to Los Angeles or New York City.
I normally don't comment and I'm not going to get into it but this is all incorrect.
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I would not trust Iran to keep its word.
Well then, it is a good thing it was John Kerry who did all the negotiating with Iran and not you.
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In its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking...
Yes, because this always works brilliantly!
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Well then, it is a good thing it was John Kerry who did all the negotiating with Iran and not you.
And also the agreement doesn’t require us to trust Iran since it’s got mechanisms in place to allow the U.S. to verify Iranian compliance.
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In international affairs, you sometimes partner with less than perfect nations and groups. Not everything is purely good or bad, like simple-minded people like to think.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...033_story.html

Israel says documents prove Iran lied about nuclear program

April 30, 2018

JERUSALEM — Israel’s prime minister on Monday unveiled what he said was a “half ton” of Iranian nuclear documents collected by Israeli intelligence, claiming it proved that Iranian leaders covered up a nuclear weapons program before signing a deal with world powers in 2015.

In a speech delivered in English and relying on his trademark use of visual aids, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu claimed the material showed that Iran cannot be trusted, and encouraged President Donald Trump to withdraw from the deal next month.

“Iran lied big time,” Netanyahu declared.

Spoiler:

In Washington, Trump said it vindicated his past criticism of the nuclear deal.

Later in the day, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said the “information provides new and compelling details about Iran’s efforts to develop missile-deliverable nuclear weapons.”

But Netanyahu’s presentation, delivered on live TV from Israeli military headquarters in Tel Aviv, did not appear to provide evidence that Iran has violated the 2015 deal, raising questions about whether it would sway international opinion ahead of Trump’s decision.

The U.S.-led agreement offered Iran relief from crippling sanctions in exchange for curbs on its nuclear program.

Netanyahu furiously fought the deal while President Barack Obama was negotiating it, and he has been a leading critic since it was signed. He says it does not provide sufficient safeguards to prevent Iran from reaching nuclear weapons capability.

Netanyahu has found a welcome partner in Trump, who has called the agreement “the worst deal ever.”

Trump has signaled he will pull out of the agreement by May 12 unless it is revised, but he faces intense pressure from European allies not to do so. Netanyahu said he already has given the information to the U.S., and he plans to share it with Western allies and the international nuclear agency.

Ahead of the announcement, Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, belittled Netanyahu in a tweet, saying: “The boy who can’t stop crying wolf is at it again.”

He later tweeted: “Pres. Trump is jumping on a rehash of old allegations already dealt with by the IAEA to ‘nix’ the deal. How convenient. Coordinated timing of alleged intelligence revelations by the boy who cries wolf just days before May 12. But Trump’s impetuousness to celebrate blew the cover.”

Iran’s deputy foreign minister and senior nuclear negotiator, Abbas Araghchi, called Netanyahu’s presentation “childish and ridiculous” and said the purported evidence was “fake and fabricated.”

Iran has denied ever seeking nuclear weapons.

The exchange ratcheted up already heightened tensions between Israel and Iran. Israel considers Iran to be its biggest threat, citing Tehran’s hostile rhetoric, support for militants and growing influence in the region.

Israel has said it will not allow Iran to establish a permanent military presence in neighboring Syria, where Iran supports President Bashar Assad. Overnight Monday, a missile attack in northern Syria killed more than a dozen pro-government fighters, many of them Iranians, a war monitoring group and an Iranian news agency said.

There was no official confirmation of the death toll or the target. But Israel was widely suspected of being behind the attack.

In his presentation, Netanyahu said Israel had obtained some 55,000 pages of documents and 183 CDs of secret information from an Iranian nuclear weapons program called “Project Amad.” He said the material was gathered from a facility in the Tehran neighborhood of Shourabad a few weeks ago “in a great intelligence achievement.”

He said the uncovered filed included “incriminating” documents, charts, blueprints, photos and videos. He pointed to one presentation that allegedly called for producing and testing five warheads.

The authenticity of the documents could not be verified, and it was not clear whether they shed any new light on what international inspectors already have concluded. The documents appeared to date back to the early 2000s, when international inspectors already believe Iran was pursuing a weapons program.

A 2015 report by the International Atomic Energy Agency, for example, concluded that Iran “conducted computer modeling of a nuclear explosive device” before 2005 and between 2005 and 2009. It said, however, that those calculations were “incomplete and fragmented.”

Netanyahu provided no direct evidence that Iran has violated the 2015 deal. But he said the existence of the documents proves Iran is waiting to resume its race to build a bomb.

“We can now prove that Project Amad was a comprehensive program to design, build and test nuclear weapons,” he said. “We can also prove that Iran is secretly storing Project Amad material to use at a time of its choice to develop nuclear weapons.”

He said that after the project was disbanded in 2003, its director, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, continued his work under another agency called Sapan.

Netanyahu said the material proves the international nuclear deal is a failure. He said it allows Iran to continue enriching some uranium, and does not address its research efforts or development of long-range ballistic missiles.

He noted that Trump was weighing whether to pull the U.S. out of the nuclear deal, saying “I am sure he will do the right thing.”

At the White House, Trump praised Netanyahu’s presentation and said it vindicated the president’s past statements about Iran and the shortcomings of the nuclear deal, adding that recent events have “really shown that I’ve been 100 percent right.” Although Trump was hosting Nigeria’s president for a visit during Netanyahu’s speech Monday, he said he watched part of it on television.

“That is just not an acceptable situation,” Trump said. He declined to say whether he’ll pull out of the deal on May 12 but said that even if he does, “that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t then negotiate a real agreement.”

Trump has set a May 12 deadline to decide whether to pull out of the Iran deal — something he appears likely to do despite heavy pressure to stay in from European allies and other parties.

Both Trump and Netanyahu say the deal should address Iranian support for militants across the region and Iran’s development of long-range ballistic missiles, as well as eliminate provisions that expire over the next decade.

Netanyahu’s office later issued a statement saying the prime minister had spoken with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron, and agreed to share the intelligence with them. He also spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin about the findings.

The European Union’s foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini, issued a statement saying Netanyahu’s presentation will be assessed.

“I have not seen from Prime Minister Netanyahu arguments for the moment on non-compliance, meaning violation by Iran of its nuclear commitments under the (nuclear) deal,” she said.
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We just talked about the baiting of this. Netanyahu drew up some big ass pictures to try and get Trump's attention. It was talked about in the other thread.
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His presentation was astonishing. It looked like a Steve Jobs Apple product launch. I'd never seen a head of state do something like that. I don't really have an opinion on the issue, but I thought it was pretty cool.
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Netanyahu told us Iraq had WMD too.
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[including funny images] that's more evidence than what we have of Russia's attempted assassination of UK ex-spy and Assad attacking his own people with chemicals.

So, what are we waiting for. Take Iran out!
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