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You don't think there are people out there who didn't vote for him before but are enjoying what he's doing now?
A handful, maybe, not enough to matter.
Look at history; Obama, for example, got almost 10 million less votes in 2012 than he did in 2008. Though he had votes to lose, trump does not.
Then there's the nearly 5 million who voted for Obama in 2012 that sat out 2016 - I'm sure they'll have something to say at the polls next time.
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Old 08-01-18, 05:07 PM
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Focus on the November 6th midterms, then the presidency.
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These fuckheads...


What's hilarious is that Mueller is just working, doing his job and hasn't said a goddamn word about it to anyone. It's all these other fuckos that keep going on TV or twitter and won't shut up with their constant bullshit.
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Yeah, Muller not shutting up was never their problem.
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Old 08-01-18, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by slop101 View Post
A handful, maybe, not enough to matter.
Look at history; Obama, for example, got almost 10 million less votes in 2012 than he did in 2008. Though he had votes to lose, trump does not.
Then there's the nearly 5 million who voted for Obama in 2012 that sat out 2016 - I'm sure they'll have something to say at the polls next time.
You have way more faith in people than I do. I think there are many who LOOOOVE what Trump is doing but will tell their friends (and pollsters) they aren't voting for him and then voting for him.

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These fuckheads...

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/statu...39927664324608

What's hilarious is that Mueller is just working, doing his job and hasn't said a goddamn word about it to anyone. It's all these other fuckos that keep going on TV or twitter and won't shut up with their constant bullshit.
And look how public perception of Mueller has changed. What Trump and Co. are doing is totally working.
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 2

Are people lying to pollsters really a thing? I mean, I'm sure it happens but to a big extent?
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Originally Posted by Draven View Post
You have way more faith in people than I do. I think there are many who LOOOOVE what Trump is doing but will tell their friends (and pollsters) they aren't voting for him and then voting for him.
That's absolutely true, that's why I'm ignoring polls. But they voted for him last election as well

And look how public perception of Mueller has changed. What Trump and Co. are doing is totally working.
Has it? Trump & Co are controlling the narrative on Fox News, but in the general public I think he's still viewed as very professional and ethical if perhaps too methodical.
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Old 08-01-18, 05:31 PM
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One other factor to consider about 2020 Trump votes: How many 2016 Trump votes were actually votes against Hillary? I'd imagine a good number. I hate to say this, but if the Democrats simply bring out a white male to run against Trump, just that might be enough to win.
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Old 08-01-18, 05:34 PM
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Democrats still haven't dealt with the problem that won Trump the rust belt states. Note that Wisconsin and Michigan (my state) both have Republican majority state government. We're basically red states most of the time.

The problem is Trump rails against free trade. NAFTA is not popular here.

He could totally win Michigan again if nothing is done on the Democratic side on this. I have no doubt about that.

Midterms might go alright here though - Marijuana legalization is on the ballot here which might drive up liberal turnout (the pot crowd, while it has plenty of racist Trump loving blowhards, does lean liberal, I believe).
Sure he could win Michigan and other rust belt states again. It would be with the same number of votes.
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Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
Are people lying to pollsters really a thing? I mean, I'm sure it happens but to a big extent?
It wasn't a big thing, but it is now. There was such a stigma of shame towards his fans on social media that people decided they didn't want the backlash that came with supporting him. If it was a controlled psychology experiment there would be measures put in place to stop it from tainting the data. You just can't do that with polling.

This would be especially true if the person asking at the polls was either female or a minority.
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Yeah, Muller not shutting up was never their problem.
Yeah...Mueller has been great when it comes to not taking the bait from idiots like Giuliani. It definitely drives folks like him and our President nuts that he just continues to quietly go about doing his job.
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You don't think there are people out there who didn't vote for him before but are enjoying what he's doing now?
No. If they're so gung ho on what Trump is doing, they voted. I don't buy the "This Trump guy is great! I didn't vote for him last time, or vote at all, but by golly I'm voting for him next time!" It's possible there is a handful of these schizos out there, not enough to make a difference.
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It's possible there is a handful of these schizos out there, not enough to make a difference.
Yeah, there will undoubtedly be a couple people like that, but the far greater number will be those who voted for him and won't vote for him again (or at all), and just as great a number, maybe greater, the Dems who didn't vote last time but will.
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One other factor to consider about 2020 Trump votes: How many 2016 Trump votes were actually votes against Hillary? I'd imagine a good number. I hate to say this, but if the Democrats simply bring out a white male to run against Trump, just that might be enough to win.
How about someone without 30 years of baggage and scandals? (however many fabricated and blown out of proportion)
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I'm not so sure. I think you are discounting the fact that Trump has basically won over a large contingent of more mainline conservatives that either held their nose or didn't vote for him in 2016. He was despised by a large contingent of the Republican party, and I don't think that's so much the case anymore. They might find him a bit boorish, but their media diet ensures they are exposed only to the most favorable coverage of him possible (in addition to the usual focus on the evil liberal strawman), and ultimately he is advancing a conservative agenda. If he is on the ticket in 2020, I think many on the right who didn't vote for him will gladly do so. I simply don't see any disillusionment on the right at this point, and it was there in 2016.
There may have disillusionment and nose holding, but they DID vote for him. To the type of conservative/republican you describe, ANY republican is better than a democrat and voted for Trump no matter how much they despised him because they despised Hillary more.

Trump can win again, but his vote tallies, both by state and popular total will not be higher than they were in 2016. For a democrat to win, all they have to do is beat his state by state tallies from 2016 to get the electoral votes of those states.
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Yeah...Mueller has been great when it comes to not taking the bait from idiots like Giuliani. It definitely drives folks like him and our President nuts that he just continues to quietly go about doing his job.
Good observation. Silence is a powerful tool against a narcissist.

It would’ve been nice if someone asked SHS what Trump is fighting back against? What is Mueller doing? This will be difficult to answer since Mueller has been quiet.
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Originally Posted by rw2516 View Post
No. If they're so gung ho on what Trump is doing, they voted. I don't buy the "This Trump guy is great! I didn't vote for him last time, or vote at all, but by golly I'm voting for him next time!" It's possible there is a handful of these schizos out there, not enough to make a difference.
We have at least one vocal “Never Trumper” here who has been won over.
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Old 08-01-18, 07:01 PM
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It fascinates me to no end how easily these blue-nosed middle Americans were turned into crude vulgarians, though Trump himself is the epitome of a vulgarian.
They were always crude vulgarians. Trump emboldened them to openly display it.
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Yeah, there will undoubtedly be a couple people like that, but the far greater number will be those who voted for him and won't vote for him again (or at all), and just as great a number, maybe greater, the Dems who didn't vote last time but will.
True. But there's still the issue of gerrymandering and bulls**t Voter ID laws...And because the Republicans dominate the courts, they usually pass those sorts of things...So if they continue to make it harder to vote for poor people and/or minorities, that will create an obstacle...It's unfortunate but it's true...

I mean, I wanna be optimistic, but the Republicans do everything in their power to suppress the vote, and it helps them...

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Old 08-01-18, 08:23 PM
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They were always crude vulgarians. Trump emboldened them to openly display it.
Bingo!
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Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office wants to ask President Donald Trump about obstruction of justice, sources close to the White House tell ABC News. According to sources, the president learned within the last day that the special counsel will limit the scope of questioning and would like to ask questions both orally and written for the President to respond to.

According to sources familiar with the President’s reaction Wednesday morning, that was the genesis for his early morning tweet storm.
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Regarding the Trump turnout, I think more Dems stayed home in 2016 than Repubs (for various reasons). I think it will be difficult to produce more Trump voters in 2020 from the Republican pool to match the Dem pool IF the Obama coalition shows up in 2020 potentially to vote against Trump. Hillary was a shitty candidate. Dems where never in love with her, the Clinton machine steamrolled the entire Dem party where no one wanted to run against her. Get a fresh face in there that Dem voters are not blah about and the anti Trump sentiment will get them out to the polls this time. Dems are pissed and being pissed is a good motivator. It works with the Repubs.

You have to assume 100% of the Trump base shows up. Repubs would vote if molten lava were falling from the sky. Now Dems don't vote if it's raining out sometimes, but the anti Trump sentiment and having a candidate that's NOT Hillary would go a long way to getting out even some of the Obama voters who stayed home in 2016. My 2 cents.

I get the Debbie Downer syndrome here, but Trump won with a concerted online effort from a foreign enemy spy network and a November surprise by Comey. That double whammy is going to be tough to repeat even with the Republican attack machine running at 100% capacity.
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Hillary was very unpopular and she still won the popular vote. If the Democrats nominate a young, progressive then we could win over younger Americans all over the country.
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Hillary was very unpopular and she still won the popular vote. If the Democrats nominate a young, progressive then we could win over younger Americans all over the country.
Please don't rely on the "youth vote." They don't vote. You need the (adult) people of color who voted for Obama to turn out again.
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One other factor to consider about 2020 Trump votes: How many 2016 Trump votes were actually votes against Hillary? I'd imagine a good number. I hate to say this, but if the Democrats simply bring out a white male to run against Trump, just that might be enough to win.
I get what you're saying but I think you're over simplifying things.
Supposedly, Hillary lost because she was a woman but...

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Hillary was very unpopular and she still won the popular vote. If the Democrats nominate a young, progressive then we could win over younger Americans all over the country.
Even I forget this. So it's not just about what sex the candidate is.
For example, do you really think that the people who voted against Hillary for Trump will really go for a white male candidate like "Democratic Socialist" Bernie Sanders?
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