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Old 07-14-18, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by slop101 View Post
The implications of this thread are something else!

https://twitter.com/resisterhood/sta...21264077541378

Yikes. This data was never released publicly, right? So the only way they could have gotten it is directly from the Russians...


https://twitter.com/JesseCharlesLee/...79502315696128

referencing this older tweet:

https://twitter.com/JesseCharlesLee/...63702090489857

Anyone who doesn't think that trump didn't at least try to somehow cheat with the help of the Russians is fooling themselves.

https://twitter.com/jase0910/status/1018222819648425985

Bam!
May have not been collusion, but there was certainly cooperation, at least.
But then you'd need a lot of communication between the two to coordinate like it'ss being suggesting. Very high level people obvious had to know about this to cancel and redirect ad money.
I agree 100% w/the bolded part. I don’t believe that Putin was coordinating anything with Trump. Putin was doing what he wanted. And I do believe Trump “puked on” by talking (or attempting) to take advantage of what Trump was doing.

I still don’t think Putin gives a rats ass about Trump. He was after Clinton and disrupting our election. And he was going to do that no matter who opposed Trump. If Trump joins in or “cooperates” great. If not Putin was still going to do what he wanted.

That’s why I don’t thing collision totally fits. It doesn’t make Trump any less guilty. Besides this entire “collusion” is Trump talking. The directive to Mueller didn’t even include the word “collusion”.
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Old 07-14-18, 09:47 PM
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 2

Did we merge the conspiracy thread into this one?
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Originally Posted by Paul_SD View Post
Obviously because he's a Muslim disciple of Rev. Wright who was hellbent on taking away our guns and destroying this country through greater access tho healthcare and forced inclusion.

Duh.
You forgot that he was a gay communist, and Michelle is transgender, as well.

I remember when he was called a Nazi, too, but hat word has, for some reason, ceased to be a pejorative in those circles.
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Old 07-14-18, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gryffinmaster View Post
Of course it did.

History’s really not going to look kindly on him.
Speaking of not looking kindly (and back to my earlier question) :

An upcoming Senate report is expected to slam Obama's response to Russian election meddling

From CNBC

A bipartisan group of senators is expected to slam former President Barack Obama's administration for its response to Russian election interference in the 2016 presidential election.

The Senate Intelligence Committee, which is conducting an investigation into Russia's election meddling, has already criticized the Department of Homeland Security for its "inadequate" response to the hacking effort.

But an upcoming report to be released by September is expected to be more critical of Obama than the committee's past statements, according to a source familiar with the committee's work.
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Did we merge the conspiracy thread into this one?
I can see why you would ask
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Old 07-14-18, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mspmms View Post
I can see why you would ask
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Old 07-14-18, 10:23 PM
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 2

Originally Posted by mspmms View Post
Speaking of not looking kindly (and back to my earlier question) :

An upcoming Senate report is expected to slam Obama's response to Russian election meddling

From CNBC

A bipartisan group of senators is expected to slam former President Barack Obama's administration for its response to Russian election interference in the 2016 presidential election.

The Senate Intelligence Committee, which is conducting an investigation into Russia's election meddling, has already criticized the Department of Homeland Security for its "inadequate" response to the hacking effort.

But an upcoming report to be released by September is expected to be more critical of Obama than the committee's past statements, according to a source familiar with the committee's work.

Well at least you're accepting the fact that Russia did indeed help your boy win. Yes, in hindsight I REALLY wish Obama had done more during the '16 election. Instead, we get the current shit-show we're in.

That's what Democrats get for always trying to do the right thing I guess.
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The shit-show to end all shit-shows.

...or if not end, at least dramatically reduce their effectiveness and frequency for a generation or two.
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Old 07-14-18, 10:54 PM
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I think the salient point is; it doesn't matter that Trump is doing nothing about past or present Russian interference now, but that Obama 'did nothing' then.

It's the 'he didn't do it first, mom' technique.
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Spoiler:


After McConnell denied Judge Garland from getting a hearing or a senate vote, I don't understand why President Obama didn't tell him to go screw himself and tell everyone about Russia's interference with American elections.
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Old 07-15-18, 12:34 AM
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 2

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That's what Democrats get for always trying to do the right thing I guess.
Unfortunately, it’s looking like they should’ve just risked looking like election tamperers themselves, because now we’ve actually got Americans who don’t seem to care about the foreign meddling itself.

Well, they don’t seem to care unless it might vaguely make Obama look bad.

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Did we merge the conspiracy thread into this one?
Hasn’t happened yet, but that might not be a bad suggestion.
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After McConnell denied Judge Garland from getting a hearing or a senate vote, I don't understand why President Obama didn't tell him to go screw himself and tell everyone about Russia's interference with American elections.
Probably because Obama isn't Trump. There used to be things Presidents just didn't do. Ah, good times.
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 2

A couple points of data I just ran across.

Read carefully.



  • Nov. 2, 2015: Bannon interviews Trump for a Breitbart radio show. In the interview, Bannon says he is concerned that many CEOs in Silicon Valley are from Asia. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society,” he says.
  • Dec. 1: Bannon interviews Trump again for Breitbart News Daily.
  • Feb. 18, 2016: Bannon interviews Trump for a third time.
  • May 11: Bannon holds a private screening of “Clinton Cash,” a documentary he helped make aimed at persuading liberals that the Democratic presidential nominee has shady financial connections.
  • June 13: Bannon interviews Trump for a fourth time.
  • Aug. 17: Bannon is named “chief executive” of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, an unusual title for a national campaign. Paul Manafort remains as campaign manager, but two days later resigns the post.
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People actually believe this shit?

To be fair to Sean, a whole lot of other people chimed in after that post, similarly mocking and deriding Mensch.

And while there is no explicit accusation or indictment dropped on Bannon at this time, do people understand now how Mensch could have had a legitimate, plugged in source who did relay that bit of scuttlebutt to her?
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I agree 100% w/the bolded part. I don’t believe that Putin was coordinating anything with Trump. Putin was doing what he wanted. And I do believe Trump “puked on” by talking (or attempting) to take advantage of what Trump was doing.

I still don’t think Putin gives a rats ass about Trump. He was after Clinton and disrupting our election. And he was going to do that no matter who opposed Trump. If Trump joins in or “cooperates” great. If not Putin was still going to do what he wanted.

That’s why I don’t thing collision totally fits. It doesn’t make Trump any less guilty. Besides this entire “collusion” is Trump talking. The directive to Mueller didn’t even include the word “collusion”.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">... Democratic campaign analytics would have pretty much required collusion to be effectively deployed. So that's ... interesting.</p>&mdash; Ross Douthat (@DouthatNYT) <a href="https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/1018277825906962432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Counterpoint, and a reasonable one. And yes, the &quot;what Wisconsin problem?&quot; cluelessness of HRC's campaign militates against this possibility:<a href="https://t.co/8O4dCA8TQM">https://t.co/8O4dCA8TQM</a></p>&mdash; Ross Douthat (@DouthatNYT) <a href="https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/1018314931928788993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Old 07-15-18, 03:07 AM
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I think it’s time to move that stuff back to the conspiracy thread.
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Well at least you're accepting the fact that Russia did indeed help your boy win. Yes, in hindsight I REALLY wish Obama had done more during the '16 election. Instead, we get the current shit-show we're in.
Outlets like Breitbart, Drudge, Fox News, etc. were scaring up their base by claiming that Obama was going to suspend the 2016 election and continue on as president. Just like the claim that "Obama is going to take your guns" (absent any evidence to support that), people believed it.

If Obama had done anything that gave even the slightest whiff of doing something that could be twisted into "proof" of him remaining in office, there could very well have been violence.

I think that Obama handled it properly. (The FBI and Comey, on the other hand...)

I think it would be helpful if every time the right points to Obama's response, that it be pointed out Obama's actions actually helped Trump. The FBI's actions in 2016 regarding Hillary's emails, (and suppressing the info that they were aware of Russia's meddling) helped Trump.
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Old 07-15-18, 07:02 AM
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Re: Official Trump Presidency Thread, Part 2

Louise Mensch is a loon and nothing she says should ever be posted in this thread. The unnamed US citizen in the indictment is Roger Stone. Stone posted the conversation with Guccifer last year.

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Originally Posted by gryffinmaster View Post

History’s really not going to look kindly on him.
History is not going to look kindly on Trump or anyone associated with him including his supporters. Years from now, historians & cultural anthropologists will unearth this thread and read mspmms's posts and just shake their heads.
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Originally Posted by mspmms View Post
Speaking of not looking kindly (and back to my earlier question) :

An upcoming Senate report is expected to slam Obama's response to Russian election meddling

From CNBC

A bipartisan group of senators is expected to slam former President Barack Obama's administration for its response to Russian election interference in the 2016 presidential election.

The Senate Intelligence Committee, which is conducting an investigation into Russia's election meddling, has already criticized the Department of Homeland Security for its "inadequate" response to the hacking effort.

But an upcoming report to be released by September is expected to be more critical of Obama than the committee's past statements, according to a source familiar with the committee's work.
There was nom “right way to handle”. We were caught flat footed. And have done nothing to prepare when it happens again.
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Outlets like Breitbart, Drudge, Fox News, etc. were scaring up their base by claiming that Obama was going to suspend the 2016 election and continue on as president. Just like the claim that "Obama is going to take your guns" (absent any evidence to support that), people believed it.
I know this is the conspiracy thread now, but I googled "obama suspend 2016 election" and nothing turned up from Fox News, Drudge or any right news sources. Found these which could be the source of some of that discussion.
Majority of Democrats want third term for Obama
Four More Years

I did get some scare articles from the left afraid that Trump will cancel the 2020 election. That would fit perfectly in this conspiracy thread.

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Found these which could be the source of some of that discussion.
This was absolutely going around among some right-wing loonies. I don't think Breitbart or Fox News proper picked up on them, although I'd imagine this silly conspiracy theory was a fixture in their comments. It was definitely on InfoWars.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...f-she-too-sick
https://www.commdiginews.com/politic...lection-28523/
https://steemit.com/politics/@dragon...hor-johnnyyash
http://stumpinfortrump.com/2016/04/2...g-martial-law/
https://canadafreepress.com/article/...trump-will-win
http://blog.dilbert.com/2016/07/24/martial-law-coming/
http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/g...g-possibility/

You had people like Reverend Austin Miles saying:

Here is the intent: If Obama’s scheme makes it through, there will be no further Presidential elections. This has been planned for a long, long time. One thing about the Communists, they are very patient as they quietly work toward the completion of a definitive goal ahead.
I've found references to other pages/sites that aren't working anymore, like Morning News USA:

Speculations have been running wild as people are saying President Barack Obama would implement martial law to suspend elections . . . . Secret meetings have allegedly been conducted by international political elites to stop Donald Trump’s presidential campaign . . .
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This was absolutely going around among some right-wing loonies. I don't think Breitbart or Fox News proper picked up on them, although I'd imagine this silly conspiracy theory was a fixture in their comments. It was definitely on InfoWars.
Okay, so we agree that sracer made this up, and you have to link to sites I've never heard of, other than Dilbert.
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trump should sue the EU.
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Okay, so we agree that sracer made this up
No, we don't, and no, he didn't. It was definitely making the rounds, and I saw stuff like this from several relatives on Facebook, although I'd attribute it more to the crackpot right wing underground rather than a more prominent voice like Breitbart or Fox News. Many small voices can make a ruckus, even if they're not as booming as one loud voice would be.

Fox News did talk about this at least once on-air, but they presented it as someone else's argument -- Ben Carson said it -- rather than their own, at least in the example I could find.

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I can't quickly find any articles on foxnews.com to this effect or from Breitbart.

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You had people like Reverend Austin Miles saying:

Quote:
Here is the intent: If Obama’s scheme makes it through, there will be no further Presidential elections. This has been planned for a long, long time. One thing about the Communists, they are very patient as they quietly work toward the completion of a definitive goal ahead.
now with that in mind, imagine if Obama had said this and not Trump:
(on Xi Jinping) “He’s now president for life. President for life. And he’s great,” “And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll give that a shot some day,” Trump added
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