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Old 06-11-18, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by eXcentris View Post
This is already a win for Kim Jong-un:

- He went and took a stroll in Singapore and people were rightly intrigued and taking pictures, even clapping and everybody was smiling and having fun. In North Korea: "Supreme Leader receives King's welcome in Singapore!"

- And he not only managed what his predecessors couldn't, get a face to face meeting with the US President, but also managed to show that he's being treated as an equal.
What does Trump or his supporters believe will be gained by this? Serious question. I'm too lazy to go through YouTube videos of Fox News and the such.

Do they really think N. Korea will disarm or get rid of their nukes? Has any country done that before? Threats of obtaining nukes or launching nukes is their only leverage. Why would they give that up?
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Old 06-11-18, 11:13 PM
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I get the feeling Trump is attempting to form a real life version of the Legion Of Doom. It's a good thing Idi Amin and Muammar Gaddafi are dead.
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Old 06-11-18, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by brayzie View Post
What does Trump or his supporters believe will be gained by this? Serious question. I'm too lazy to go through YouTube videos of Fox News and the such.

Do they really think N. Korea will disarm or get rid of their nukes? Has any country done that before? Threats of obtaining nukes or launching nukes is their only leverage. Why would they give that up?
You are correct. There is absolutely no chance North Korea gives up their nukes. His supporters will just claim that by trying and having this summit he looks presidential...Even though had it been Obama having this summit, they would've called him a traitor/appeaser and would've immediately launched attempts to thwart it (and probably impeach)...It will be interesting to see how Trump reacts and tries to cover when Kim Jong Un flat out tells him, there's no f'ing way he's giving up their nukes...I'm sure Trump and Fox News will find an interesting way to spin it to his supporters...Probably by blaming Obama for the umpteenth time...That's usually their go-to when they need to deflect...
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Old 06-11-18, 11:31 PM
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I was reading an article on good old CNN, so it’s probably fake news, that it may be years or decades before full results are known, whether that’s no nukes or same old.

One way or another, Trump will have doddered off into the ether by then, with his participation trophy firmly grasped.
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Old 06-11-18, 11:32 PM
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Good 'ol Rick Santorum again basically arguing for war in Iran and North Korea (should Trump's amazing dealmaking skills fail to denuclearize that country)...How very, very Christian of him...

And is also arguing that Canada is not a "great ally"...Why not? He wants to run for President again eventually and can't afford to lose Trump's base of voters...Who cares for morals when you need to secure some votes?
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Old 06-12-18, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei View Post
It's social media. Who cares.
It’s an official presidential statement. You know, one that’s not a shredded piece of paper. I think everyone should care that our president is unable to spell simple words.
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Old 06-12-18, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei View Post
It's social media. Who cares.
Your guy decided posts on his Twitter account were official Presidential statements and has since used it to fire people in the government, attack other government officials and announce major government policy decisions.

So to answer your question, Trump cares. And you don't get to play the "it's only social media" card when you helped put him in office knowing full well how he used said social media.
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Old 06-12-18, 01:01 AM
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Your guy decided posts on his Twitter account were official Presidential statements
Yeah Spicey said that but also the Department of Justice has as well
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Old 06-12-18, 02:05 AM
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Your guy decided posts on his Twitter account were official Presidential statements and has since used it to fire people in the government, attack other government officials and announce major government policy decisions.

So to answer your question, Trump cares. And you don't get to play the "it's only social media" card when you helped put him in office knowing full well how he used said social media.
If he were to hold press conferences and truthfully, pensively answer hard questions, no one would scrutinizing or criticizing his bloviating, unstatesmanlike Tweeter content. But neither the truth nor answering hard questions are within him.
There was maybe one time I saw him give a non-allied reporter with a tough question a modicum of respect, and that was a couple of months ago when he was on AF1 and was asked by someone about the porn-star payment. He lied, sure, but he didn't do the old petulant wave-of-the-hand-before-swaggering-off-and-spouting-"fake news" routine.
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Old 06-12-18, 02:20 AM
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- And he not only managed what his predecessors coudn't, get a face to face meeting with the US President, but also managed to show that he's being treated as an equal.
But if that no good Kenyan mooslim had met with Kim, he'd be labeled a traitor by the republican base. Hell, the tan suit and mustard debacle are still fresh in their minds.
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Old 06-12-18, 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by brayzie View Post
What does Trump or his supporters believe will be gained by this? Serious question. I'm too lazy to go through YouTube videos of Fox News and the such.

Do they really think N. Korea will disarm or get rid of their nukes? Has any country done that before? Threats of obtaining nukes or launching nukes is their only leverage. Why would they give that up?
I am a little more neutral about what's going on with NK. Even if they stop further development of their nuclear capabilities without denuclearization, that's a lot better than the threats of war and escalation of the last 2 years. The ironic thing is that the Iran deal did exactly the same thing, except that it was by another President with another country, and Trump derided it as the worst deal ever. If he achieves a similar agreement with NK, I would consider that success.
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I am a little more neutral about what's going on with NK. Even if they stop further development of their nuclear capabilities without denuclearization, that's a lot better than the threats of war and escalation of the last 2 years. The ironic thing is that the Iran deal did exactly the same thing, except that it was by another President with another country, and Trump derided it as the worst deal ever. If he achieves a similar agreement with NK, I would consider that success.
If they stop further development of their nuclear capabilities, it might have more to do with the fact that their underground testing facility imploded than anything the US has done.
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Old 06-12-18, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? View Post
But if that no good Kenyan mooslim had met with Kim, he'd be labeled a traitor by the republican base. Hell, the tan suit and mustard debacle are still fresh in their minds.
He WAS labeled a traitor... by the very same people who are applauding Trump for meeting with KJU.

Here's just one recent article from Vox about the double-standard.
https://www.vox.com/2018/3/9/1710088...rvatives-obama

“I’m not certain why meeting with Kim without preconditions is suddenly a grand coup when we would have gone nuts had Obama done the same,” said conservative pundit Ben Shapiro, who criticized Obama back in 2009 and is now often critical of Trump.
At best, the reason for the different responses is because of party, at worst, race.

Or it is simply that this country prefers a swaggering buffoon over someone who is measured and respectful.
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Old 06-12-18, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by brayzie View Post

Do they really think N. Korea will disarm or get rid of their nukes? Has any country done that before? Threats of obtaining nukes or launching nukes is their only leverage. Why would they give that up?
Now I honestly don't know how this will play out with Trump/Jong Un as I am always skeptical of a Dictator, but I'd rather have them yucking it up in Singapore then throwing threats around about War, so this summit is not a bad thing.

As for your question, I posted this earlier about Libya and Gaddafi who did EXACTLY what you asked. The problem is the US sold him out years later (they didn't take his back when his regime was toppled), and I think that has to be in the back of Jong Un's mind (will the US have my back 10-15 years from now if I disarm and there is a cue attempt on me?):

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/LibyaChronology
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Old 06-12-18, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? View Post
But if that no good Kenyan mooslim had met with Kim, he'd be labeled a traitor by the republican base. Hell, the tan suit and mustard debacle are still fresh in their minds.
You need new material .
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And now for a different view of Rupert Pup...er, Bobby D's...rant:

Robert De Niro Just Handed Trump’s 2020 Campaign A Blank Check

What’s so remarkable about De Niro, Maher, and Bee is that they seemed to have learned absolutely nothing from the 2016 election.

June 11, 2018 By Joseph A. Wulfsohn

Sunday night was the 72nd Tony Awards, the annual ceremony that’s supposed to celebrate the best of Broadway. But what’s being talked about more than any of the winners or nominees, co-hosts Josh Groban and Sara Bareilles, or even a moving performance from the Parkland students was the unhinged anti-Trump tirade made by Robert De Niro.

De Niro stepped on the stage to give a simple introduction to Bruce Springsteen’s Tony-nominated show, and immediately went off the rails.

“I’m gonna say one thing … F–k Trump,” De Niro declared with his fists in the air. “It’s no longer ‘Down with Trump,’ it’s ‘F–k Trump!'”

Not surprisingly, his remarks were welcomed with cheers and a standing ovation. Like most award shows, they’re attended by liberals who have had nothing but animosity towards Trump after he announced his candidacy in 2015. And they’ve made their hatred for him obvious at virtually every single award show ever since. These awards shows were no longer about the craft of creating such art, they’ve become about Trump.

De Niro himself has made several off-the-wall attacks against the president from calling him a “mutt” and the “jerkoff-in-chief” among other things to saying he’d like to “punch him in the face.” He even said he’s “beyond” seeing the point of view of Trump supporters. He has truly gone off the deep end. But sadly, that’s par for the course in Hollywood.

Just within the last several days alone, we had Bill Maher “hoping” for another recession because a crashing economy can hurt Trump’s reelection chances.

“Sorry if that hurts people,” Maher told his audience, “but it’s either root for a recession or you lose your democracy.”

We might have hit peak Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Maher has openly called for the financial pain and suffering millions of Americans would face if they were hit with another recession, simply because he believes that would prevent Trump from winning a second term. It’s easy for a rich millionaire to say who likely wasn’t much affected if at all by the 2008 recession, but many of his fans surely were.

That came roughly a week after “Full Frontal” host Samantha Bee trashed Ivanka Trump for posting a picture on her social media accounts of her and her infant son amid an emotional immigration debate, calling her a “feckless c–t.” Unlike Roseanne Barr, whose racist tweet got her show cancelled, Bee offered an apology that was hollow at best. But aside from temporarily losing a couple of sponsors, she didn’t face any consequences.

What’s so remarkable about De Niro, Maher, and Bee is that they seemed to have learned absolutely nothing from the 2016 election. Their overzealous animus for Trump had alienated his supporters, many of whom previously voted for President Obama in prior elections. Celebrities have overwhelmingly embraced utter contempt for anyone who doesn’t think like them. Whether you’re a conservative or a Trump voter, you’re seen as a bigot, a racist, a white supremacist, a Nazi, a homophobe, a xenophobe, a misogynist, or a “deplorable.”

De Niro arrived at the Tony Awards thinking he was doing a public service with his profanity-laced stunt and has some sort of moral high ground. He runs with a group of countless A-listers who knew the truth about Harvey Weinstein for decades and didn’t do anything about it. He worked with Weinstein on several films over the years. So spare us the sanctimonious lectures.

Outspoken liberals in Hollywood aren’t the only people who have failed to recognize their own errors in 2016. Democrats continue to push identity politics instead of advocating an agenda that unites all Americans. And the mainstream media allows their disdain for the president to taint its reporting on a constant basis.

What none of them took away from Trump’s shocking victory was how out-of-touch they all were with average Americans. Sure, De Niro screaming like a cranky old man may have played well in viewing parties in LA and New York, but folks in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania probably felt differently. The #Resistance’s nonstop preaching about how bad Trump was in 2016 had an opposite effect on his supporters. In fact, they inadvertently motivated his base, turning their vote into a giant middle finger to the establishment and the elites.

Until Hollywood, Democrats, and the media empathizes with Middle America instead of ostracize them, they might as well pave the way to Trump’s reelection.
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Yep. The hateful invective from some on the left only helps Trump.
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Ah yes, the “liberals aren’t real Americans” trope is still alive and well.
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If they stop further development of their nuclear capabilities, it might have more to do with the fact that their underground testing facility imploded than anything the US has done.
That's quite likely, but I think Trump (and more so the South Koreans) gave NK a face-saving way out. Kim Jong Un can now claim he stopped his nuclear development because he got something out of it. Otherwise he would have been forced to rebuild the facilities, even if it means starving his people.
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Originally Posted by creekdipper View Post
And now for a different view of Rupert Pup...er, Bobby D's...rant:

Robert De Niro Just Handed Trump’s 2020 Campaign A Blank Check


There is no separation at this point. If you support Trump you absolutely deserve to be labeled all of those things. If you have a problem with that, I say stop being such a snowflake.
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Ah yes, the “liberals aren’t real Americans” trope is still alive and well.
Same with the victim-hood complexes. If people don't like terms bigot, racist, white supremacist, Nazi, homophobe, xenophobe, misogynist, and deplorable maybe they should change their tune and prove the labels are inaccurate. Till then the labels typically fit the pattern.

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But tan suit! But mustard! But Kenya!

But if Obama did it, we would be for it and Fox News would be against it! We are not hypocrites, because mustard!
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Some interesting quotes coming out of this...

"I think honestly he's going to do these things," Trump says of Kim Jong Un, then expresses doubt, saying he may stand before us in 6 months and admit he was wrong. Then adds: "I don't know that I'll ever admit that I was wrong. I'll find some kind of excuse."
President Trump said that he doesn’t need any transcript or notes from his summit meeting with North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un because he has “one of the great memories of all times,” The Hill reports.

When asked by a reporter if he had notes to verify details after the meeting in Singapore, Trump said he didn’t need to.

Said Trump: “I don’t have to verify because I have one of the great memories of all time.”
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But tan suit! But mustard! But Kenya!

But if Obama did it, we would be for it and Fox News would be against it! We are not hypocrites, because mustard!
...and there are fine people on both sides (end with a sarcasm emoji).
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Now I honestly don't know how this will play out with Trump/Jong Un as I am always skeptical of a Dictator, but I'd rather have them yucking it up in Singapore then throwing threats around about War, so this summit is not a bad thing.
I agree with this. Whatever this is, it's not nuclear war.

For the same reason, I supported the deal with Iran and opening diplomatic relations with Cuba. War is a total waste.
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